Now before anyone says it, yes this only my second post, but I have been reading the boards for ages now and: Yankee and Wizard, you two really should get a room, it is obvious you are madly in love with each other and just have pent up sexual frustration, sort it out and stop stealing other peoples threads. Back onto the original topic which I believe is what''s wrong with moaning? There is nothing wrong with moaning (especially if your partner is naked, sorry couldn''t resist), expressing a difference of opinion or whatever, on this message board as that is exactly what they are intended for. However moaning and shouting at a player, in agreement with Mook and others, achieves nothing. I am Manager/Secretary/Chairman/Coach of two Sunday League Football teams and have been for some years now. Giving a player abuse really doesn''t achieve anything apart from denting his/her confidence. It doesn''t matter whether they earn £5K a week or whether they have to pay me £3 a week to play. They are still human beings. The majority of us take personal criticism badly, there are a lucky few that rise above it and put it about next time, but on the most part if someone abuses you, you get upset. This is one of the first things you learn when you take the FA Coaching courses. The FA absolutely hate parents that scream at their kids from the sideline when they mess up, becuase at a young age it can make or break a player. Now Hendo is only 18, he is still only a young player and can still be affected by what people say about him. Now it is completely different when the boss has a major go at the whole team together as this can inspire some team spirit. Most Managers if they want to keep a player positive will not criticise him/her in front of the team, it will be a 1-2-1 quietly and this is the case in all walks of life. It is the Managers job to point out where a player is going wrong, not the fans. So next time you hurl abuse at someone that you feel should be performing better because you bought a season ticket a) stop to think how you would react if your boss shouted similar at you in front of all your work mates (assuming you have a job, no offence) and b) think when we get promoted will your abuse of the players have anything to do with it??? NO!! Also if you don''t want your ticket, I''ll have it off ya.