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[quote user="if youre rubbish and you know it clap your hands"]i really must take issue with this Helveg was great nonsense...on paper yes...but crab like lethargic passing to opposition forwards was his speciality[/quote]   don''t start on Helveg, that was the biggest bout of mis management I have witnessed at carrow road.   The guy played the opening two games and in my "opinion" didn''t do anything that bad, Giggs would and does give most right backs a hard time and bear in mind this was his first ever game in any English league let alone the prem.   He was then dropped and we were subjected to weeks of Edworthy, not a bad championship player, but certainly didn''t play any better than Helveg and against weaker opposition.   Helveg eventually gets another crack, but this time out of position in midfield!!!   By now his international coach is causing ruptions and the pressure is building.   Helveg actually has 2 or 3 pretty decent games in the middle and that conicides with an upturn in our fortunes  (I think, memory already fading).  He played a few more games towards the end of the season in his preferred position and we were doing okay then.  Just imagine what would have happened if he had been given a decent 8 straight games at right back and not had all the pressure of his international coach etc.   To say his passing was awful is short sighted like the players he was trying to pass to.  Helveg was actually passing into the spaces players should have been moving into, but weren''t.  After a few games he realised this and started passing appropiately, still far better than the favoured Holt and the lazy Francis. Anyway the biggest problem is that Helveg and Edworthy were both let go.  Okay Eddy wanted a better deal, but Helveg only left because of all the rubbish from his international coach about not getting games etc.  Imagine being Helveg and watching Eddy, Holt, Flemming and Charlton start before you!!!  We are then lumbered with Colin and.........who was that other guy, anyone seen him????  

[quote user="chicken"][quote user="StevenageFan"] a1 used to post interesting facts and opinions, now seems hell bent on rubbishing anyone that doesn''t like Worthy, scratching head...... [/quote] I''m sorry - since when have your comments been squeeky clean? I seem to remember you can shoot down people who post supporting Worthington so why cant A1 shoot down those that don''t? No thats just how the outers want it -their voice only so they can dictate what is good or not good for this club! Well and truly behind you on this one A1. [/quote] Chicken, show me a post where I have shot someone down for having an opinion and I will apologise.  I only ever express my opinion and I also asume that everyone else does the same, but of late more and more people are getting damn right offensive on here.  Categorising all WO as rabble, morons etc. and then getting all upset and offended is someone disagrees, its all childish tosh. The only reason I picked up on A1''s comments is because he/she has always posted well thought out and interesting posts that I enjoy reading.   If you had typed the same I would have just ignored it because you have taken the whole WO V KTF situation way too far and sometimes way too personally.

it''s not about stopping being a supporter.   That''s the big problem with this whole WO out Versus KTF rubbish.   Allot of KTF''ers think that because some fans are screaming for Nigels head they are not proper supporters.  The ones screaming for Nigel''s head do so because they are so passionate about the future of the club they want someone they beleive to be more capable in charge. If you haven''t already guessed I am a Worthy outer and that doesn''t make me any less of a supporter.  I sing for the team from kick off until the point when I realise the team just aren''t putting in the effort I and thousands of others around me are.  Then I usually choose to remain quiet, but since the second half of the QPR game I beleive being more vocal against Worthy will do more good than harm.

a1 used to post interesting facts and opinions, now seems hell bent on rubbishing anyone that doesn''t like Worthy, scratching head......

welcome back Wiz :-)

I seem to remember starting this season saying that with a little bit of money spent on right back, right midfield and someone to replace Francis and we would be fine.   Now another season later someone is saying it again.   Nigel has spent over £5M, how much more are we going to let him waste. We need a Manager that can hang onto decent players, not have to keep buying and getting in loans at every opportunity. I must admit, although I openly said Nigel was a poor tactical and people manager last season, I still thought we would get straight back up this season.   I do not thing we have any chance with the current shambles this time around.

[quote user="chicken"]I think what he is trying to say is that our form has picked up some. To be honest with you I really dont get that people arnt happy with the style of football. Last season people wanted a more rough and ready Norwich to battle their way to safety like Bolton/Blackburn. I think if we were in the play-offs or auto spot playing this sort of football there would be no complaints. To me all of the issues are releated. Few of the players have confidence especially because of the booing and insults which means they probably arnt enjoying their football right now. If you dont enjoy your football then you wont be playing to your best. When I am on form for my team I am confident - I do the simple things well and even pull off more of the difficult things. This season has been tough most people say a season to forget. I wont forget it - I will remember it as the season that a section of the crowd didnt get behind the team, didnt support the team and effectively undermined any chances we had of achieving this season. I will put down to learning though and hope that next season is an improvement in all departments . . . [/quote]   I wasn''t even going to bother posting on yet another spin the stats thread until I saw Chickens reply. Chicken, honestly, have you been to all the home games and if yes where do you sit? I sit in the upper Barclay and from where I sit, virtually next to the away fans, Norwich fans have consistantly outsung them and been positive minded week in week out.   The only game where there was a frosty atmosphere has been the QPR game.   A few games before that the atmosphere was dull to say the least, but there is absolutely no way you can blame portions of the crowd for our results, that is ridiculous.  I am fed up with seeing you trying to blame supporters for the teams rubbish performances.   Nigel and the team have delivered consistantly poor performances and poor tactics for over 2 seasons now , that cannot be blamed on the crowd who 99.9% of the time are in fine voice. If a player of a professional football club can only play well if the fans sing for him, what kind of player is he????  Ridiculous. I will say it again, the paying fans have every right to voice concerns at a time of the season when there has been nothing left to play for.  Had the team and Nigel done the job and we had still been in with a chance you wouldn''t have seen the negatitve atmosphere as you did against QPR.   I for one and I know Zipper too, voiced concerns over Nigel''s ability as a top flight Manager well before Xmas last season when he made ridiculous squad selections then.  He hasn''t shown any signs of learning from his mistakes and finally a lot more fans recognise the guy cannot take us any further.   For goodness sake he has spent £5M and we still turn out rubbish performance, after rubbish performance. I have nothing against Nigel, he has been a great servant of the club and we have enjoyed some good times with him, but in terms of taking the club forward just what has he acheived????   Is the squad any better?   NO Are the performances better?  NO Have we gone forwards in terms of leagues?  NO Are our finances better?  A bit, but that shouldn''t be the Managers job anyway. You talk about players needing time to bed in, well ask why?   Because he has been unable to get a squad that wants to play for him, for Norwich and stay together and move forwards.  He is always juggling the team with new journeymen, rejects from other ambitious clubs, loan signings etc.  I don''t know all the stats, but just how much has he spent and just what have we got to show for it?   Huckerby, Earshaw, Doc and Safri the only signings he has made that I rate. 

as usual that is hearsay.  Just becaused "some" people you know think Norwich''s name is being dragged through the mud you think it is okay to come on here and blame all the WO fans. I sit next to a QPR fan at work and he doesn''t think Norwich are a laughing stock at all.  He can see why our fans are upset and has sympathy for us.   That doesn''t mean everyone feels the same, of course some people will think we are stupid, especially opposition fans.  It is a chance for opposition fans to get on our backs and make a bad season worse. Think before you post majority based opinions just because one or two people say so.

[quote user="a1canary"]i just can''t imagine what it''s like playing at CR at the moment. i''ve never seen nor heard anything like it before anywhere. the players have said the same and i can only guess what it does for how they feel about playing there and for norwich generally. personally, if i was a player my attitude would be "s*d you then, i''m off to play for a club where the fans appreciate the players..." yes, those who boo the players, the team, cheer the opposition''s goals etc can say it''s only directed at the manger but the fact is it''s not. that might be the intent but the effect is exactly the same as booing the players and blaming the players. it seems to me that the team will have to win every game from start to finish next season to get CR back to how it was in our promotion season and i find that very depressing. the team is behind the manager, the board is behind the manager and he''s not going anywhere. we start next season with a clean slate, so i just pray the fans can unite behind the whole club next season. otherwise, we could be in for another season like this one, which will see players leaving, and only then might people see the manager leave, but at a terrible cost of having to rebuild on a shoestring, minus the parachute payments. and who will want to come and manage us then? this season has been a write off, no question, but we had no divine right to come back up and we have got another chance next season with a still strong squad that is starting to bed in. it''s time people woke up to where we are heading if the current atmosphere and attitude remains. [/quote]   OMG talk about make a mountain out of a mole hill.   The so called terrible atmosphere that you talk about at Carrow has only been at the last 4 or 5 home matches and only really been in the minority until the QPR game.   STOP PRESS people our season is over, the supposed WO brigade only started its protesting once our chances of the play offs were out of sight and well done them.  The first few protests were outside the ground not in it.  The QPR game has been the only real show of unrest inside the ground.  Yes there has been boo''ing of certain players (which I don''t agree with) all season, but from small sections of the ground.  The majority of fans have been giving there all to support the team all season, blind faith some might say.   All this rubbish about fans appreciating players, do you really think Andy Hughes gives a flying wotsit when he looks at his bank balance?  Do you think he goes home and cries to his family that the nasty fans boo''ed him and he wants to leave and find a new club?  I can see from the mans character there is no way he does that, he tries his hardest God bless him to win the crowd back over.   If the crowd has been on his back all season long then I would have some sympathy for him, but they haven''t.  I think some people hear some fans in their area boo''ing or moaning about a player and automatically think the whole ground is doing it, there are 25,000 people in the ground not just the 20 or so around you that moan all season long. We fans pay thousands of pounds to support this team and if we are unhappy with a poor season when our potential has not been met, then it is our right to voice our protests and may I add when our season is over, nothing to play for.  I have supported City all my life and always will do, but I agree with the Worthy Out chants because I can''t see him improving this team and I want someone else to have a crack at it.  If Worthy is still in charge next season I will be back to singing OTBC etc as I have done every match apart from the QPR one.   I am fed with all these do gooders making out the WO fans are causing poor performances and maybe causing players to leave - hahaha that''s the biggest load of tosh I have ever read on here.   If you think Andy Hughes leaving cos he gets boo''ed is bad then what do you think about Paul McVeigh having to prove his worth to Mr Worthington week in week out and fight for his contract?????   Utter nonsense. STOP making mountains out of mole hills.  The season is over.  Let people air their frustrations now, it is their right to do so.  When the new season starts whoever is in charge the mighty Carrow Road faithfull and the fantastic travelling Yella and Green Army will be back in full voice.  If any players leave because the last few games have had a bad atmosphere and they don''t look at themselves and think about why has there been a bad atmosphere, then they don''t deserve to wear the City kit anyway and good riddance. 

I thought it would go without saying that fans would start backing the team again come next season whoever is in charge.   The real momentum behind the Worthy Out campaign started when we had nothing left to play for and we were still witnessing rubbish football and poor tactics.   Come a new season of course support is the order of the day. Like Zipper said surely now is the time to protest especially on the last game of the season with the result being meaningless.   If there are no protests Delia bless her will think we are all happy with our first away win this year and everything is okay agian. All those that think Worthy is okay, just sit back and take a long hard look.  If we do beat Wolves we will have finished 10 points off the play offs, thats only 3 more wins and a draw away from the play offs with what has been an absolute pile of rubbish football that I watched at virtually every home match this season.  My point is this league has been awful, we should and could have beaten every single team we have played at home, I haven''t seen one decent side come to Carrow Road.  The only person responsible for such consistantly bad performances is Nigel.  That doesn''t even include our away form which has been even worse, we could and should have done it at home.  If any of you accept 7th place as an okay season, well I don''t know what to say to you apart from did you actually watch those displays?

Peter Reid said he is looking to come back into Managing and would be looking at the Championship, had lots of offers already, but none he liked. What do you think of him?   Too expensive?  I don''t honestly know.

Rossi I have read the thread again and apologies, credit where credit is due it was you that raised the point in the first place, well done that man :-)

Ay, you''re right there Navman, the bells you hear are mine. Invites are hopefully out soon, also the stag do at Carrow Road invite as soon as I can pin point a date.

good post with very good points Rossi, I agree with everything you say there. I have renewed my ticket, but fortunately won''t have to make tough decisions because due to weekend work commitments this coming year will be letting my 2 Uncle''s use it more than me.  One point you didn''t make is that even if Worthy does go in the summer and a new man comes in , what happens if they make little, no, or worse difference to Nigel?  The current KTF''ers will be even more at the throats of those that wanted Nigel gone.  There are more scenarios that will see this board and possibly most of the fans split down the middle for a long time.  The only thing that will unite us all again is improvement, but even then the "I told you so" people will keep some level of rift going.

Sons of Bodicea hit the nail on the head in another thread and I felt it was worth a new thread. When Delia, God love her, thought the fans were not doing their job she marched onto the pitch with Microphone in hand and screamed like a Banshee at us all. At the time it was bloomin embarrasing, loads of criticism from opposition fans, media etc.  However, we turned an embarrasing situation into a positive one.  The club made Delia "let''s be havin you" T-shirts which sold and made the club more money.  The fans now sing "Lets be avin you" loud and proud. However, when the fans think the Manager is not doing his job and call for his sacking, they are called mindless yobs, rabble and whatever else by half the crowd that disagree apparently with freedom of speech.  Maybe because they think it is embarrasing, maybe because they don''t agree, that''s not clear because no one actually explains why they are so disgusted with the chants (excluding boo''ing Hughes). If they think it''s embarrasing, then so what, it''s the fans choice to stand up and sing/chant, so why be embarrassed about it?  Do what we did before and turn it into a positive thing instead of attacking with personal and stereo typing insults i.e. everyone that sang those awful chants are morons and village idiots. If you disagree and in fact think the Manager is doing a great job, then fine, construct your opinion and debate as usual, but don''t resort to name calling just because you don''t agree. I know both sides have resorted into name calling, that''s why I have been off the boards for ages, but two wrongs don''t make a right you know, didn''t your mothers teach you anything? :-)

Can someone please explain what is so bad about singing: 1. we want worthy out, we want worthy out 2. what a load of rubbish 3. this is embarrasing I agree that boo''ing Hughes is OTT and I say again that I didn''t join in with any of the above chants, but honestly think lots of fans are being really melodramtic about it all slinging insults at people, but not actually getting across why their actions have been perceived as so bad. Reasons why the above chants are embarrasing to you as a fan, make the people shouting them morons or any of the other insults thrown at them or make Norwich a laughing stock would be appreciated rather than just hearsay. I think it is okay to chant the above for these reasons: 1.  Paying fans have the right after 2 seasons to make it clear by any means legal and non-threatening that they want the Manager replaced. 2. It was a load of rubbish, fact.  Again paying fans have the right to vent frustration at the team and the manager in an attempt to get something to change and guess what it did change, so it must have had some affect. 3.  It was embarrasing and again the same as above.

I do, but have never visited that website, will now though thanks ;-)

you got me there Mac, nice one ;-)

good idea I will certainly do it if it happens.

Old Boy I''don''t want to argue with you over this but you miss the point.  I haven''t been on the boards for months because of all the bickering, but after Monday I felt I should say something.  Comparing us to Wolves is rubbish though, Norwich fans have been patient all season long and now there is nothing left to play for people have started to speak up.  Okay Hughes has been boo''ed for more than a couple of weeks and a few fans have been calling for Worthy''s head before or after the game, but on the whole the Norwich fans have been as loyal as ever.  It is you that is being melodramatic to compare us to Wolves fans after one major demonstration.  Are you happy to pay your money and what watch poor tactical decisions, poor team selections and most of all poor football?  I''m not and after months of saying nothing I have decided to do so and get shouted down and abused for it.   I realise from reading back over these threads that lots of name calling has been going on for months now and that is bad.   Lots of Norwich fans seem to think accept that Norwich is a small Norfolk club that should be content with its place in the grand scheme of football.  They think we could never be an Arsenal or a Chelsea and maybe they are right, but we have been there before so why can''t we again?   I want to see us challenging for UEFA spots and top 10 finishes in the Prem, the club is capable of doing that, but not with the current Manager.  If you still beleive the fans are attacking him persoanlly then there is no point trying to explain it to you.   We pay money into this club, it wouldn''t survive without us, we have every right to complain if the man in charge is not steering us in the right direction. To the poster that said something about me coming across as arrogant because I implied I know that Nigel cannot improve the team, I apologise if my wording was not correct, but I stand by what I said.   Nigel hasn''t improved the football being played - it is worse now than it was 4 seasons ago.   Nigel hasn''t improved the squad at all, smaller and less talented.   Okay he has improved our league position to that when he took over, but what is that worth?   He has proved that with a lot of luck he could get us to the Prem, but he has also proved he cannot keep us there and given a second chance had no idea how to get us there again.   As it stands now I cannot see how he has improved as a Manager and therefore how we can expect our team to improve with him in charge, that is what I meant, is that better? If you think he has improved as a Manager then please feel free to list the qualities that he is showing that say he has improved?

Marty how do you know?   Do you know where I sit and what I look like?   I was talking about the people around me like the blokes either side of me and in front and behind, none of which stood up and chanted, but all agreed we need Worthy to go.  Stop arguing for the sake of arguing, the facts are plain to see and that is Worthy has been a great servant to the club, but can''t get us to the next level end of.   The huge majority at Carrow Road has been patient all season, but now our season is over they are speaking up and making their voices heard and all credit to them.   The team has nothing to lose now, so why not get your opinion over.  If you don''t like other peoples opinions and just want to argue you are the sad rabble, morons, pathetic and all the other abuse you lot continually fling at those that dare to speak out.

[quote user="Old Boy"] You''re so right Juan, and it''s great to see a backlash on here against the minority rabble who would do something like cheer an opposition goal, who would taunt and belittle one of their own players (from the safety of the stand, of course), and who don''t give a toss for the message this sends out about the Club. And now the Pink''Un website has come on board the bandwagon - criticising Delia''s comment about "the best fans in the world". It''s simple enough really - those who did this on Monday are by definition NOT the "best fans in the world", so she must have been talking about the vast majority of us.  It''s comical really that all the hysteria has resulted in absolutely.... nothing. Or nothing except very unpleasant and unprecedented scuffling among fans. And, of course, a record season ticket take-up. How does that make you feel? [/quote] Minority rabble?   Didn''t look like a minority to me, were you there?   Yet again insults towards passionate fans.  I am a professional citizen not rabble.  Just because I deomstrate against the person I think is ruining my beloved team, doesn''t mean I am part of a rabble. Taunt players from the safety of the stand - if we are a minority then surely all you lot would be on top of us in stands and the stands would in fact be the least safe place.   Of course you abusing passionate fans from the saftety of your desk is completely different right? Don''t give a toss about the message - Do you actually know what the message is?  Ask any other Championship team fan what they think about Norwich and I guarantee Monday isn''t even on the radar.  Norwich fans are known as loyal throughout the country.   The only message protesters are trying to get across is to the board and that is that Worthy is not good enough to take us any further and Hughes should NOT be played in front of ANY other Midfielder we have on the books that is fit, including Charlton. Record season ticket take up - makes me feel proud to be a Norwich fan.  Both my father and I want Worthy out and agree with the protestors, but both have renewed our season tickets in the hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel. The only reason there is bickering between fans is because of different opinions, thats football folks, it always has been and always will be.  Stop taking it all so personally and stop labelling people as pathetic rabble or whatever else you come up with from the saftey of your home.  The fans that protest do so because they want IMPROVEMENT and they recognise that will not happen with Worthy in charge.  Writing letters, avoiding games, staying seated when we score, will not work, Delia will still think everything is all rosey at Carrow Road.  Protesting in the style of Monday will get things noticed and things will change is it continues.  None of this is against Worthy as a person, its not his fault he doesn''t have the ability to take the team to the nex level and stay there.  He has had his chance this season and just proved he learnt absolutely nothing from his previous seasons in charge, end of the line.

the silent majority all round me in the Barclay were all nodding in agrement with the Worthy Out chants.  Not everyone naturally wants to stand up and sing pro or against, but many agree that we need a new manager.

pathetic behaviour, name calling, spat, mindless thugs, yobs, idiots, morons these are just some of the things I have read on only 3 threads that have been directed at the so called WO mob. Well I said at the end of last season that I thought Worthy should have been replaced and it has taken until now for many more to have the same view, however I am not any of the things listed above.  I just see a talented crop of players being ruined by poor management and poor coaching and as a paying fan I don''t want to sit by and let it happen just to be asked to pay another £342 for another season ticket to watch it all over again. I cannot beleive that by singing "We want Worthy out, we want Worthy out" or "this is embarrasin" or "what a load of rubbish"  I suddenly become a pathetic moron.   What would you say is the alternative? Sit quietly and not cheer when the team scores?  Write a letter to the board?  Hold a sign up?   Boycote a game?   Would I be noticed at all if I did any of these things?  No.  I know this because that is exactly what I have done all season, sat quietly, sent the odd polite email of discontent and missed about 4 games, nothing has happened, the club doesn''t care it has a full house most weeks, it has my money.  Whilst that continues they won''t change a thing.  It takes big demonstrations of unrest whether before, during or after a game, especially a game where the result doesn''t actually matter. Now, if I join with thousands of others that are singing "we want Worthy out" then my voice is being heard by many more, the radio listeners, other fans, the management team, the backroom staff, the stewards and hopefully board members.  Don''t forgot it has taken all season for these chants to gather enough support to make you all stand back aghast at the appalling atmosphere and treatment of our beloved players that take home £10K or more a week.  Our season is over, nothing to play for.  If I watch yet another rubbish performance and those around me are singing negatitve songs then I damn well will join in, the board have to notice, they have to. Pathetic behaviour is to sit by doing nothing whilst your club that you have put hundreds of pounds into season after season is once again left to mediocrity.  Lets see how patient some of you are if we have to sit through another season like this one with the same man in charge of it all.  Some of you may be directing your comments at other chants or boos that have been directed at Andy Hughes, well again I disagree with you.  I agree it must be horrible for the lad and it''s not his fault that he is picked week in week out and that all he knows how to do is receive the ball run two paces forward, turn round and bring it back for the goal keeper or Doc.  Or as he sometimes decides to do, send a huge cross sailing over everyone and out for a goal kick.  I have sat and watched these same passes week in week out for months and not uttered a word of disgust.  I have now had enough and yes appauled when he was subbed.  The message that Worthy should be getting from the boo''s is that the lad is not good enough to be in this team especially when Etuhu, McVeigh even Jarrett have been available.  I would even prefer to see Charlton out there in midfield.  If Hughes takes it personally and is still crying about it when he cashes his £10K then more fool him, I wouldn''t give a damn if the whole crowd boo''ed me if I was earning his wage to play a game that I love and I was trying my best. Just so you all know, I didn''t actually sing any of the chants, but I wanted to, however I had taken my fiancee to her first ever football match, so sat explaining to her why the crowd were doing what they were doing.  I was pleased they were doing it though and yes I did applaud the sub of Andy Hughes.  Credit should be given to the fans that are so passionate about their club that they are prepared to stand up and be counted literally all round the stand as "stand up if you want Worthy out" was chanted.  Where were all you disgusted, embarrassed people then, why weren''t you drowning them out with your pro Worthy or pro Hughes chants and songs?  There really is a majority now whether there was two weeks ago or not, there truly is now and it''s about time everyone accepted it.   If you pay money into this club and you want the Manager out, keep singing it, its your right to do so, but keep it civil please ;-)  

yes that made me, my Uncle, my dad and my fiancee all cry with laughter on the way home from carrow road, legendary statement.