QwertyMick

,,,,,,,,,,Whilst yesterday''s result and some aspects of the performance were disappointing, very view of them (on this occasion) had much to do with the manager. Redmond played very poorly and was a positional and strategic liability. His forward gifts were considerably (on the day) by his callow tactical awareness, repeated mental slowness as he received possession ( from some thoroughly progressive passes in positive areas) and a repeated tendency to cede possession in dangerous turnover positions. To chant to the manager that he "doesn''t know what he''s doing" in this instance shows the increasing tendency to pre-conceived judgments that are not based on the empirical action on the pitch. There is a negative and damaging pre-meditation to this criticism. The irony here is that the only negativity Norwich displayed yesterday was in the stands. Team selection and approach to the game were undoubtedly influenced by this negativity as the set up was too open, too attacking and too open. Norwich could have easily conceded twice before they did and the midfield was hugely susceptible to the counter attack. A further irony was that it was Lambert who set up extremely defensively and played strictly on the counter, exclusively via a fast- breaking, fluid, but isolated 3. This strategy was abandoned following the goal scored and the loss of LUkaku. Scoring the first goal fundamental changes the pattern of play at the top level and missing the penalty was fundamental to the outcome. This has nothing to do with HUghton and I was glad to see him stress that he expected RVW to take it. Any top striker should kick and bite teammates out of huge way to score from 12 yards at any time, in any game. Synod grass, Martin and Redmond all had excellent opportunities to drive balls across the 6 yard box repeatedly through the game and fails to do so. There was a good deal of solid approach players the final third and some very timid, technically poor efforts and some poor options selected. This has nothing to do with the manager. RVW not reacting with his head and cheating over the bar, Hooper not anticipating the ball and making lucky, shinned contact that GUzan saved, snodgrass pulling rank and Rvw not calling him, REdmond pausing for a second every time he got a good attacking minded pass that encouraged him to drive past players and collect the ball on the move, are nothing to do with the manager. There are new players starting to gel. There are signs that we can press and dominate teams in forward areas. There are signs that RVW is starting to demand the ball better. Snodgrass is and has been central to our play and he is suffering. His dead balls remain an important weapon nevertheless. Hughton was undoubtedly influenced by the criticism and let drift some of the excellent defensive structure, particularly in huge key deep midfield area in front of the back 4, opening us up to easy counters and leaving us light in terms of possession in midfield. Lambert is a lucky manager and got away with one yesterday. Conversely HUghton did very little wrong, other than trying too hard to please fans and set up in too attacking a fashion. A thinner midfield, plus Elmander at 10 does not make us more attacking, despite having more attacking players on the pitch. We can have a debate about the merits and demerits of Hughton, the team and the shape, but it must be based on the empirical evidence of the action, not on a pre-determined view of everything the manager does or the understandable disappointment of the result itself.!!!!!''''!!!!! I am just bumping a great post and thread, apart form some some idiots normal response. Could not agree more and I am positive that the board will not waiver in there support for Hoots. He is the man for the long term.

[quote user="Leak District Canary"]We are only five games in and there is plenty of time to turn things around. Hughton led us to eleventh place in last season''s Premier League and has bought players that we all generally agree are quality signings that have improved the squad. We cannot expect improvements overnight and it will take time for the players to bond physically and emotionally into an effective team unit. Calling for Hughton''s head now would send the wrong message to all our rivals and would impact on the morale of the players he has signed at great expense. He will not be sacked this early by a board and management team that trusted him with the biggest ever transfer budget and allowed him to smash our transfer record to bring in Van Wolfswinkel. He will get time, and we need to support the club and the team on the pitch while he tries to turn it around. Booing and chanting "you don''t know what you''re doing" is divisive and counter-productive and frankly a bit pathetic. Get behind the team, get behind the manager and give him time to put the jigsaw together, and then I truly believe we will see free flowing and exciting football which balances robust defence with enterprising attacking play.[/quote] All so true. Pathetic chanting at the weekend when the two subs went off. Both players were ineffective . Fans now have a responsibility to get behind there team and manager for 90 minutes every week. My worry is that the fans are now going to make matters worse will we are in transition. It''s madness. The board is a joke and so are some of delusional fans.

[quote user="The Great Mass Debater"]I wouldnt say we would be doomed. it all depends on whether we would be able to bring in a quality replacement. Many might have thought Swansea would be doomed after Rodgers left, but they were able to bring in someone of Laudrups qulaity and the club has started to blossom. We have some quality players, a positive board and few financial problems these days. Im guessing plenty of managers would be interested. It would be a risk no doubt. I ask a simple question - working with the supposition that Hughton is definitely going to be sacked by January (just work with this hypothetical supposition for the sake of debate), is it not better that a new manager comes in early, so that by the time the January transfer window opens, he has had time to become familiar with and assess his squad, so that transfers in that window are more effective. Waiting til xmas and sacking him then would make the new managers transfer decisions a rush-job. If the board has decided things need to change, better sooner than later[/quote] Yup, if I had a crystal ball and could know for certain that he would be sacked I would do it now but that is not the case. Hoots and the board are working on long term stability which does not include reactionary changes. Lose the next 5 games and I will change my mind but that will not happen. It''s gonna come good.

Get a grip. This board is a joke and always has been. Those that call for him to be sacked are idiots. The side is in transition and there are signs of it coming together, albeit slowly. Do you really think we can bring in the number of players we have and hit the ground running? It takes time FFS. By the time we have player 10 league games things will start to click and play patterns will emerge. Have a little faith and grow some! Only a small minority are represented on hear and most have extreme views! If you think that what is posted here has any effect outside of the small amount of posters that use it you are sad and deluded.

Teams take a while to gell and 10 games seems a reasonable length of time to give them/him. There is a lot of focus on the manager on here but the players need to pull there fingers out too! And it''s not just about the points. we need to see a more consistent level of play week in week out.

[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="QwertyMick"]Some of it today was not bad but the players do need to stop making silly mistakes and get the simple stuff right. They also need more time to gell and get to understand how to get the best out of their team mates. This takes time at all levels of team sport and this is where my Fellow supporters are failing as fans. Sat on the halfway line today and could not believe the negativity and moron comments almost from the off from some of those around me. I go to support my team for 90 minutes of every game and not just while they are playing well!!!! The negativity of the fans does and will effect the performance of the players. Get behind the team and manager for the next few games so that they can push on. I have know doubt we will still be PL next year and Hoots will become a very successfull manager here at NCFC..[/quote] Evening mr misery. And it''s Mick..............OTBC Evening Delia. [/quote]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]Difficult to know where to start with this. What I do know is that Hughton''s fate will be sealed by results not by trying to manipulate every single thing he does into something to whinge about. Redmond was out of the game. He''s going to have games like that. Snodgrass was in the game always showing always wanting the ball. But he''s going through a horrendous run of form where his end product is appalling. He will get through that. Out of the two he was still the most likely to have an impact. Did anyone notice that Lambert put on a forward who promptly scored and cautious Chris responded by bringing on another defender... [/quote] Chris brought on a defender because of the injury to Bassong FFS. Then two attacking players. Nothing bout today was negative only some of the supporters!,,,,,

Subs today were spot on. Both were having little impact on the game.

Some of it today was not bad but the players do need to stop making silly mistakes and get the simple stuff right. They also need more time to gell and get to understand how to get the best out of their team mates. This takes time at all levels of team sport and this is where my Fellow supporters are failing as fans. Sat on the halfway line today and could not believe the negativity and moron comments almost from the off from some of those around me. I go to support my team for 90 minutes of every game and not just while they are playing well!!!! The negativity of the fans does and will effect the performance of the players. Get behind the team and manager for the next few games so that they can push on. I have know doubt we will still be PL next year and Hoots will become a very successfull manager here at NCFC..

No 10 games to get the team to gell. Sack any manager now is daft. Villa just lost three in a row! Grow some people!