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Sunderland are trying to reduce their wage bill and Sessengon is one of their highest earners.   £8m for a 29 year old who blows hot and cold is too much in my opinion. Also I doubt Sunderland will sell to a Premier League rival, more likely to try and ship him abroad somewhere.

And looking at the original post he has forgotten the fact Norwich can''t loan two players from the same team - so can''t loan both Naughton and Livermore.

Brighton have said there will be no transfers in or out until they have sorted out their manager situation.

[quote user="GJP"][quote user="priceyrice"][quote user="Jimmy Smith"]I reckon we were honestly in for Van Ginkel and in prime position for around £15m, but some more exposure at the championships and new managers at Chelsea and Man U wanting him has probably driven his price up and maybe ruled us out of getting him. I''d be delighted if somehow we managed to get him though. I also don''t see his sense if he does join Chelsea, there won''t be room for him there and he will rot away on the bench for a year. He''d be far better coming here, playing games, proving how good he can be in the Premiership before moving to a top club.[/quote] I believe i read a few times last week that Mourinho has told him he is in his first team plans [/quote] Yes, it would be a bit of an odd move to spend several million on him if he wasn''t in your plans. [/quote] Doubt it has much to do with Jose, Emenalo does the transfer business at Chelsea (along with Roman of course).   Chelsea are in need of some new central midfielders with Mikel more than likely leaving this summer. I imagine Van Ginkel will get a decent amount of games for a young player. He''ll also probably look at it from the point of view that if he came to Norwich he would almost certainly be the best player in that position, whereas at Chelsea there are other, senior players, who can help him improve. If you want to become a top attacking midfielder there aren''t many players better than Frank Lampard to learn from.

Wanyama has turned down the contract offer from Southampton, although they will probably go back with a second offer.   The extra moneyin the Perm means players like Wanyama, Lovern and Wolfswinkel will end up playing for clubs that most see as beneath their ability level.

[quote user="lake district canary"]I have sympathies with both sides of the Holt argument.  However, what cannot be disputed is that he is the club captain and selling your club captain is not something you do lightly.  He is an inspiration, a positive influence on and off the field, always gives his best - yes he has off days, but so do all players.   I saw some fantastic efforts from him last season for the team, ok, not as well supported up front as we would perhaps like, but as has been said a thousand times - his relative lack of goals was more down to poor or lack of delivery into the areas he attacks.   People like to knock him and yes, he is not immune to criticism, but he is club captain for a reason.   That some fans are so easy about selling our club captain I find a little odd.  But then he has  never been good enough for some fans ever since league 1.  He just doesn''t fit their image of what a striker should be.  He is a rugged, down to earth  northerner from humble background and works hard.    To many, me included, he is an inspiration, but to some he hasn''t beaten the "overweight ex-tyrefitter" tag.   They continue to support their cause with "we can do better".  Well, we can do better - but with Holt on board rather than without him.  [/quote]   You have to also wonder that if he becomes unhappy at sitting on the bench most of the time next season if his influence will be so positive. He made a few unhappy noises when Morison took his place in the first season and we all known how that ended. He also made it clear he wasn''t happy this season and added more pressure onto Hughton at a difficult time in the season, surely a responsible club captain wouldn''t make comments on Twitter about how he wants to play in a front two, or say how the manager has made him a worse player by changing his role in the team.   I, and I''m sure many others, don''t really care about the mostly arbitary title of ''club captain'' and judge the player on what he can offer the team in the future, not what he gave the team in the past. In reality in the season just gone Holt was a 31/32 year old player who was finding it difficult to cope at times, I don''t see why he will suddenly fair any better at 32/33. Also, when I say ''difficult to cope'' I don''t just mean the number of goals he scored, at times last season Holt was guilty of constantly surrendering possession or make the wrong choices. As a lone striker you have to perform at least one of two jobs, scoring goals or bringing other players into the game in threatening positions, Holt did neither of these things in more than a few games. That''s not to say he wasn''t also Norwich''s best player on the pitch at times.   Hughton has to ask himself ''can Grant bring something to the team next season? If so, does that outweigh the potentially harmful effect he can bring by being on the bench and having a rather large mouth?''

[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]None of them convince me that much apart from Musa on the wing, he''s got class all over the place, Spain were lucky Nigerias strikers couldn''t hit a barn door, as they couldn''t deal with Musa.[/quote] Musa was certainly thier stand out player, along with Mikel of course, Sunday Mba was also impressive I thought and he is one of the players still playing in the Nigerian league.

[quote user="birchfest"]I think it''s likely we have got him and are simply waiting for him to end his holiday, jump in a plane and sign on the dotted line. There haven''t really been any other rumblings since our accosted bid and any potential bidding war hasn''t appeared to have started. He wants a sign of ambition, then the signing of RVW and himself should be indication enough![/quote]   If he was convinced about signing for Norwich he wouldn''t let something like a holiday get in his way. The only reason to delay is in the hope other teams make he some offers, think there is a way to run on the Toivonen story yet.

There have been a spate of recent badge changes across Europe, Everton and PSG being the most famous examples.   The reason being that shirt makers (especially Nike) have put pressure onto the clubs to ''simplify'' the badges so it makes production costs cheaper and profits higher. I would imagine Nike might chuck a couple of extra £s at the clubs to agree to this of course.    

[quote user="Indy_Bones"]8 million is a pretty hefty chunk of cash, especially when you consider that Redmond is meant to be valued at around 3 mil, and players like Capel are going for 5-6... I think he''s a very good young player, but yet again the British player pricing makes the fee go OTT, and for that money I''d rather we looked elsewhere. [/quote] Liverpool would be entitled to about £3m of that £8m (if the figure is correct) so you can see why the value has been pushed up so high. I also imagine Tom''s dad being Blackpool manager has reduced the threat of him forcing a move out of the club.

[quote user="ROBFLECK"]Great signing for them...when is there be some concrete news of a Norwich signing...? I wouldn''t have minded him at FCR! little frustrating whatching other teams sign players...[/quote] He hasn''t signed yet - Liverpool have first refusal on Tom Ince and the fact this news has leaked suggests that Tom Ince might like some other teams to come bidding.

Maybe no one wanted to sign him last season, knowing he''d be on a free next summer.   Also, Norwich will have been given a fee for the loan, which probably wouldn''t be too far off the fee for a full transfer of an unused player with one year left to run on a contract.

I saw something (can''t remember which paper was saying it) that they had given up on Austin because Burnley want £7m(!) and Hull are now looking at Mboyo.   I''m not convinced about Austin, seems a very similar style of player to Becchio. Would prefer Norwich to bring in a striker with some pace.

Cardiff''s spending power isn''t that big - the owner talked about £25m for new players, but quickly changed tune and starting talking about how the exisiting team was good enough to ensure survival (it probably isn''t).   Southampton''s owners don''t put that much money into the club anymore, due to family disputes, but they entered the Premier League with no external debt and are in a similar position now to Norwich. Much is made of their spending last summer, but in reality it was just them spending the money gained from being in the Premier League.   Last season after Reading signed Pogrebnyak (sp) everyone was fretting over how much money they were going to spend, it never materalised. I think Cardiff will be similar this season.

[quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="Tak"]Coming from the man who suggested Norwich sign Isco or Nani that is a fairly hypocritical statement.  http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/2922209/ShowPost.aspx[/quote] Apart from the fact that I stated VERY clearly at the start of the thread that some targets would be seen as more realistic than others, and that you''ve conveniently picked the two LEAST likely signings out of the bunch, one of whom I again VERY clearly stated that it was doubtful we could afford the wages or even attract, but that it was worth asking a simple question over for the sake of a phonecall... Aspas has since gone to Liverpool for a ''massive'' 7mil fee (less than Blackburn apparently paid for Rhodes), whilst Maher impressed at the Euro U-21''s and is still wanting to play at the top level and be guaranteed game time - something we can offer both of. What I didn''t do was pull a bunch of random BS off twitter, then try justify it by claiming it was from an "ITK" source, and then randomly attack other posters in my responses. I''ve also tried to give what I consider to be sensible reasons behind the suggestions, and again, at no point have I claimed we''ve made a bid, are likely to sign them or anything along those lines. If anything, the thread proved how narrow minded many of our fans were in regards to signing ''bigger name'' players, and that many still see us as a small club with little to offer compared to other premiership rivals... [/quote]   So it''s okay to have a ''meaningless discussion'' about transfers that will never happen, as long as you start the discussion?

This story seems to have come around after the player announced he would probably leave Braga on his website last week - there was a vague story linking Norwich to him last summer so I think the link this summer is a rehash of an old story.   He looked good last night, although was given a huge amount of space by Uruguay for some reason. Would be happy with either him or Olsson to be honest.

[quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="Nicko"]I see a post on Twitter about Norwich. It may or may not seem farfetched. That''s irrelevent. I post it to the Pink Un to see what people think. It gets a discussion going. That''s the aim of a forum.[/quote] And this is where you completely fail to see your error. It is NOT irrelevant as to how reliable the information and source is, because most of us don''t want to waste our time in pointless discussions about transfers and deals that will never happen. If some clown decides to put a rumour up on Twitter about us signing Messi for 10p and a bag of chips, then it''s a complete waste of time and energy giving it the time of day, never mind posting it on a discussion forum! Just because it''s a ''discussion'' forum, doesn''t mean that people want to discuss any old tripe that ''sad ken from saddleworth'' has decided to chuck out via social media. Quality over quantity is the key factor here, and if we simply wanted any old gossip regardless, then we''d all be out buying copies of this month''s "Heat" magazine (or some other similar drivel), rather than actually trying to have reasoned conversation about our football club... [/quote]   Coming from the man who suggested Norwich sign Isco or Nani that is a fairly hypocritical statement.   http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/2922209/ShowPost.aspx

[quote user="The ghost of Michael Theoklitos"][quote user="Skerritt"][quote user="GJP"] [quote user="Skerritt"] If de gea is with 18m than ruddy must be worth about 4billion.[/quote] De Gea is a brilliant ''keeper to be fair. There hasn''t really been anyone better than him since he''s been in England.   Though Ruddy is top class too. [/quote] De gea is a good Keeper in the Spanish leagues but doesn''t quite cut it in a physical league like the prem. if he were to play in the Spanish league he would do very well. Very surprised to see him in the team of the season, but then again, it''s man utd so other keepers from ''small clubs'' like begonia and mignolet (or even Guzan) don''t get a look in.[/quote] But he adapted. For me, in the last half of the season there was no better ''keeper in the Premier League. Mignolet was up there, but De Gea did some amazing things. I think a lot of people saw De Gea struggle earlier in the season, and then wrote him off too early. [/quote] I''d apply that to the entire season, I think he managed to get over the inital problems of the physicality of the game towards the end of his first season and by the beginning of last season had bulked up a little and wasn''t worried about being clattered so much. A deserved place in many teams of the season, although Cech probably ran him close. Interesting to see how good he can become because he certainly seems to have everything a ''keeper needs.  

Twitter is what you make of it.   If you follow a bunch of kids or loners who want to make up transfer rumours that is all you''ll get out of it, but if you follow people with interesting opinions or knowledge then that is what you will get back out of it.   You can''t compare Twitter to something like Footballrumours.com because it is so much broader than that. It is a quick way to get information from sources across the world in an instant, of course not all that information is going to be valid and that is where it takes personal discretion to make a judgement on what is true and what isn''t - but you also have to do that when watching people on the news or reading a newspaper.   Searching on Twitter can be a great way to assess the provinence of a rumour, you can see a timeline leading back to the orginal source pretty quickly and soon work out how much truth there might be in it or not. It is also a good way to find out about linked players, I doubt everyone would have become an expert on Toivonen so quickly if it wasn''t for Twitter links to articles or tweets from footballer writers/fans on their opinions on him from various countries.   Whilst Twitter itself may not be the greatest source of information, it allows you to find good information pretty damn quickly.

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Sunderland and Villa have strengthend significantly? In what way? They''ve both signed a player or two who are in no way what so ever a guaranteed improvement. Unless I''ve missed some big signing they''ve pulled off. We''ve strengthend more than them. RVW and Garrido on a permanent.[/quote] Firstly getting Garrido on a permanent isn''t strengthening is it? It''s just a continuation - the same as Villa getting Weinmann to sign a new contract.   Sunderland have brought in 5 players and Villa have 4 players. Diakite and Cabral are both good signings for Sunderland and Okore, Bacuna and Helenius are all good signings for Villa (Okore is an excellent signing). I didn''t say they had strengthened more than Norwich but more signings will be needed than just RvW if the club want to keep moving forward (an obvious statement of course).   I see people saying Norwich will get top 10 because of all the cash we are going to spend, and whilst there is no doubting the squad to start next season will be stronger than the one that finished the previous people seem to forget that all 20 teams in the league will more than likely have stronger teams come August than they did in May - this is what happens when a large amount of cash suddenly floods the league.  

In the close season all the July 1st deadline really means is clubs can''t register the players as theirs with the FA until that date, as all the players are currently on holiday it doesn''t really matter.   RvW is basically still a Lisbon player, and being paid by them and their liability until July 1st when he will officially become a Norwich player. There are hundreds of deals like this at the moment and it is up to a club whether they decide to announce it before July 1st or not. The main reason that less business takes place now is due to many players/managers being off on holiday or feel they are under no great rush to get everything sorted out until the beginning of July. There are lots of players and agents out there waiting to see what unfolds in the next few weeks, no point rushing into a deal with a club in June when a bigger club maybe planning to offer a bigger deal in July.    

Capel and Defour were both rumours made up by bogus twitter accounts, I wouldn''t give them a second thought.   Obviously more quality needs to be added, Villa and Sunderland, both teams that finished below Norwich last season have already strengthened significantly and it is not like the rest of the teams in the Premier League aren''t going to start throwing the cash around soon. The recent news of players such as Olsson and Toivonen shows Norwich aren''t going to stand around and along with RvW these are all players I imagine will go straight into the first team.   If the fees of £3.5m for Olsson and £5m for Toivonen are correct that means the signings of those two plus RvW are all equal to and greater that the club''s previous transfer record.   I don''t think there is need to splash the £6m - £8m that would be needed to get Dragovic as Turner, Bassong, Bennett and Martin have all shown they are capable defenders in the Prem; midfield and attack are greater priorities at the moment.

[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]who?[/quote]   Robbie Savage, and why anyone cares what he thinks is well beyond me.

[quote user="PurpleCanary"] [quote user="Joanna Grey"]Bowyer is saying that they have had no contact with us.[/quote] Not necessarily quite. He is saying there has been no contact "as far as I am aware". He may just not be in the loop. That doesn''t rule out Bowkett or McNally having talked to their opposite numbers at Blackburn, or us having spoken to Olsson''s agent. [/quote] There is a paragraph in this article that explains how a bid can be made without a club even knowing it.   http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/7028?cc=5739   "the buying side will agree a deal with an agent, who will then go away to work on the selling club, possibly without disclosing the identity of his potential purchaser. That is why a club might be linked with a player one day, only for nothing very much to happen for two or three weeks." The notion that transfers are always worked out by two people haggling over a player like he is a used car is common mistake.

I think a club of Man City''s extravagance can afford to have more than one goalkeeping coach...