littleyellowbirdie

Nobody is saying Israel should have a free card. What is being said is too much respect is paid to Arab suffering while all Jewish suffering in this story is dismissed, mitigated, or denied at every turn and all actions on the Arab side to stoke the conflict, especially by Iran, are ignored. And if you're forced to confront that the Palestinians and Arabs don't have clean hands either, you just mutter 'they're all as bad as each other' and 'isn't religion awful' until something else comes up to blame Israelis.

Why don't you care about the 1200 Israelis killed on October 7th? If you think 30,000 killed in a war is as bad as 6000000 executed in concentration camps, why isn't 1,200 executed in their homes by Hamas as bad as 30,000 killed in war in Gaza in your head? I posted something about Sudan on Tuesday after the UN secretary general flagged up they don't have enough funding because nobody's interested. 15,000 killed and nearly 10000000 displaced. Why aren't you falling over yourself to condemn everyone for not apparently caring about that? Why only me because you think I don't care enough about Gazans for your tastes? And don't give me your 'they're all as bad as each other' trash when you spend so much effort mitigating on behalf of the Arab side, including the Iranian government that wants all Israelis and Jews dead, and exclusively condemning Israel.

How often have you seen me demand proof from people of them to dismiss their argument like this as Herman does regularly. All I'm doing is asking why he expects people to run around looking for information to prove their arguments to him instead of him learning on his own if he wants to? I often provide links to things that are relevant. Why should I be taking my own advice here? Indy the white knight on his shining steed to Herman's rescue as well as Iran's. Pathetic.

If that's why they took it down then that's pathetic seeing as I made it patently obvious what I was adding and should have been there if you were being as considerate of the Israelis as you are the Palestinians, not changing, to highlight your hypocrisy after you started calling me a vile hypocrite. What I want to know from the moderators is why you haven't been sanctioned for the persistent personal insults you directed at me for taking a view on something that doesn't suit you. And what's more you just double down, repeating the insults again and again.

Yeah yeah, keep denying, keep gaslighting. You told me yesterday you'd reported something and the thread went down, which suggests someone complained. Like I said, you bought it up here so it stops when you stop, not when you declare it should stop.

Yes you did dismiss it. JJR raised it, and you just glossed over it making nothing of it at all as a point to weigh up in the overall picture to raise more criticisms of Israel, making an accusation that Israelis aren't interested in peace when they voted for a government that tried to secure one. And again, no comment from you about the fact that polling of Palestinians shows only a minority of them want atwo state solution after you've gone out of your way to criticise Israelis. And there you go again accusing me of hating Muslims while you give succour legitimising Iran, a state that wants all Israelis and all Jews dead . What's tragic about you is not only are you a hypocrite, you're too stupid to see it. And you don't get to choose where this argument stops on this thread after you bought it up either. Incidentally, I've retrospectively reported your insults to me that caused the degeneration in the original thread and that I overlooked at the time. I have a warning point that I've done my best to respect and respect was justified, so I want to see if there's going to be any enforcement regarding you, who was completely out of line yesterday and frankly I'm appalled that the thread was deleted on the back of you reporting me after I'd tried not to bite back at your insults at first.

What's wrong with it when the criticism comes from you, someone who's dismissed nearly 1000000 Jews ethnically cleansed from Africa and the middle East like they deserved it while going on accusing Israel of collective punishment of Palestinians when everyone knows Hamas uses them as human shields? That's cast iron hypocrisy from you to attack me for not falling over myself to fuel the grievance narratives that are at the core of why so many just won't accept any peace unless it involves the annihilation of Israel. And let's face it, you know full well Iran openly wants Israel's annihilation, but you dismiss that as unimportant as well, riding to Iran's rescue with indignation about Israel attacking its embassy while ignoring its funding of terrorism throughout the middle East.

The only thing that matters is that when you saw an argument you didn't like yesterday evening, you got nasty and started calling me vile and hypocritical, and now you're butt hurt because you're being called out and getting it back and trying to make it like I'm at fault. So, just go away, don't address me and stop gaslighting me, troll.

Go to hell, hypocrite. The blackest pot here is you, you self-righteous ignorant bigot. You have a go at me about the Palestinians while arguing the Holocaust was just as bad and then dismissing the million Jews forced out of the wider middle East in another ethnic cleansing because it's inconvenient to your prejudice. You're sick. Then you have the nerve to attack me as a hypocrite after all that. Maybe go and be the first to offer an opinion about Sudan and the civil war and displaced people there? What do you think? 'Both as bad as each other'? You really 'care' about that don't you, the 15,000 dead, the 10,000,000 displaced and those starving but who aren't getting any aid because everyone's more interested in the one they can beat the Israelis with.

Funny how selective you are about what comments should need proof before you'll believe them. Have you ever considered just reading some stuff that doesn't completely agree with your world view and maybe having a think about it for yourself? You might learn something .

You've made some assertions yourself. Where's your proof of them?

No. You go away,. You stop answering you vile little hypocritical Jew-hating bigot. How dare you call me a hypocrite after YOU completely dismissed all of the Jews who had to flee in the Middle East and the 6,000,000 killed in the holocaust.

After you'd descended to throwing insults. and continuing again and again. If my mocking you after your insults was why it was pulled rather than you banding about the 'hyposcrite' and the like while you equate 6,000,000 Jews executed in concentration camps to 30,000 killed in a war situation, while at the same time somehow suspending that 'logic' to consider 30,000 worse than 1,200 Jews on October 7th then that's a disgrace.

What? No more insults? You were pretty keen to take things to the gutter weren't you? After all the sanctimony you've given in the past.

Thank God for that; the thread might get deleted otherwise.

The lower part of his body was on fire? Seems a bit extreme. Couldn't he have just shouted 'liar, liar, pants on fire' to get the message across?

No, that was me, but Horsefly's point is a bit vapid seeing as that's merely a reflection of social attitudes when they were written, so more a reflection of that than the religions themselves. Misogyny is not inherently built-in to religion, nor shoud it be considered a part of it The C of E has reformed to include women priests and I'm sure other religions will adapt as well. In fact, it's unhelpful to women to insist on bundling in misogyny with religion; that's the whole reason we have misguided lefties acting as apologists for misogyny in Islam by declaring criticism as 'Islamophobic', basically leaving Women's rights in Islam in the hands of the Islamic communities in the hands of religious conservatives. Religion must adapt to fit into wider society, but it's stupid and futile to try and push it out.

Our own birth rate is about 1.5. All else being equal, population should be shrinking, easing strain on infrastructure, resources and biodiversity in an overpopulated country, but instead everyone's topping up with immigrants for economic reasons creating a more fragmented society in the process. In Gillingham, you'll hear more foreign languages on the high street than English. The Japanese are tackling population shrinkage with automation.

Mansfield Town v Gillingham: Home win Our bet: BTTS no; Sara to score from outside the box. Good luck, PUPs!

So how do you explain Europe being one of the most war-torn continents of the early 20th century when almost everyone was Christian if getting rid of religion is a magic bullet for peace and prosperity?

I was actually quite amazed that I'd finally managed to post something with no dissent whatsoever. 😂 Really added the icing to the cake for @GodlyOtsemobor picking me for his team the other day. 🙂

You're right; the religion's just a pretext for a conflict, just like politics and race can be. But you're all deluding yourselves anyway. The vast majority of the world is religious, and what's more, your laissez faire attitude to uncontrolled immigration and not deporting undocumented migrants will ensure that the atheists like yourself will be replaced by believers of some variety or other, because they also tend to breed more.

You're suggesting religion causes child abuse, which is ridiculous. You telling me there have been no deaths in the world because of politics, race, supporting different football teams? Should we get rid of those as well?

No it hasn't; people arguing about it has. And people argue and kill each other over all sorts of things, including politics, resources, skin colour, you name it. Hitler wasn't religious, but criticised lots of religion and killed off 6,000,000 Jews in the name of disliking that one in particular, so that clearly wasn't actually about the existence or non-existence of a deity. The mistreatment of women in Islam is more to do with culture than religion. A friend remarked of a giant poster of a smiling female fighter pilot at Jordan airport (Princess Salma apparently), underlining that misogyny and mistreatment of women is a bolt on to the religion rather than a core part of it and some Muslim countries don't force women to wear niqabs, burqas or head wear. A growing number of Muslims support secularity and feminism; oddly, Western liberal progressives pay them little heed, in favour of generally favouring the rights of Islamic Conservatives. And much more sexual abuse happens that has nothing to do with religion. It happens in families, with carers, all over the place.

Having posted a thread about this on the football side by mistake which I quickly edited to simply say 'ignore' and went on to create this one in non-football, since I shared it on Tuesday the thread entitled 'ignore' on the football side has about seven times more views than Antonio Guterres' appeal on behalf of Sudan.