Ray

Midlands, if you have transport try the Kings Head in Bawburgh, absolutely top notch food, a bit more expensive than most, but well worth it. It's not unheard of to see the players, DF and Delia in there, not on a Saturday lunch time of course. You may need to book.

king canary, I think this is where his "match maturity" eventually surpassed that of his brother, if you like more of an all round player.

Whilst Josh did appear to be more highly rated than Jacob by various members of the management of the club, I always felt Jacob showed a touch more promise. I watched many of their U18/U23 games from age about 16 up until they broke into the first team squad and did feel Josh was slightly ahead in, for the want of better words, "match maturity" I always thought Jacob had a touch more talent and would eventually catch up, albeit I didn't expect it to take this long to manifest itself.

Krul Mistress, Surely there should be no need for on field leadership re penalties, I cannot believe the manager had not appointed a penalty taker before KO. if he did and his instructions were being ignored that tells it's own story, if he didn't that also tells it's own story!

"I don't think getting a celebrity defender to come in and coach fixes this." Agree, it really should not be needed if Farke is a qualified manager, they are afterall basic issues.

Fair point Baracouda

First goal from the corner, there are 4 Liverpool players lined up in the centre of the box, we have 3 midfielders marking them, so, they starburst leaving one player essentially free, the eventual goal scorer, As the corner was taken we had 6, yes six, defenders in a diagonal line across the 6 yard line, in essence marking thin air, or maybe zones. I’m not sure what this means as I do not have an A badge, but it must mean something, does it mean Klopp new our methods so out thought Farke, or……? Second goal, as the ball is swept to the left by Liverpool, we have seven players in our half, they have eight consequently there is no one to track the overlap, leading to an unchallenged cross? The cross is over Hanley’s head, however Gibson was behind him, initially tight on Origi but for some inexplicable reason steps back and away from Origi leaving him a free header. Hanley cannot see what is behind him but surely Gibson can see what is in front of him? Again, I’ve no idea! Third goal, we surrender the ball Dowell is goal side of Minamino, who sets off on a run, Dowell stands pretty much stock still, and watches him run passed him, allowing Minamino unfettered access to our box and the rest is history. Again why? Apart from the three occasions highlighted above, Liverpool did not have a shot on target, we had 60% more with five, they achieved 100% conversion rate we achieved 0%. Does it mean we did a better defensive job than Liverpool and a better attacking job but a dismal conversion job? Go figure.

Something I noticed last night was that Klopp spent the entire game on his feet interacting with his players, Farke spent the majority of the game sat down in the dugout. Furthermore, during one of the breaks in play, when the players came over to the benches for drinks, Klopp again was surrounded by players listening to instructions, Farke stayed sat down and interacted with noone. Something is not right/has gone awry. My concerns were echoed by an ex-player, of some note, I was chatting with at length after the match. What the problem is I know not but imo there is one and I believe this is deeper than tactics, formation, etc.

Purple, I agree entirely with your statement, "This is not perfect" for many reasons" for one, smoking is banned at the Carra, but, it doesn't mean smokers are banned from attending, it means they cannot do something when they attend not that they have to do something to attend (mask, vaccinate, etc.) they still have the choice to attend. Even the current NHS information (radio ads) state even if vaccinated you can still infect others, so, where is the line drawn. If I do not want to die in a car accident, which I don't, I would not get in a car, but I do? My main concern is liberty is being eroded and fear mongering is dividing society, not whether someone is vaccinated or not, where will this end? My suspicions this may be the tip of the iceberg.

GPB, would that be the 5 minute argument or the full half hour argument😉

For the healthy and for society, I can't see any benefits of not having a vaccine and many costs. I hope you are right Badger, for all our sakes, and it will not transpire to be the other way round.

To quote you Purple, "They categorically do not have the freedom to risk my body and my life or anyone else's by doing so." and to return to my point, does this also mean there are a whole host of other things we should not have the freedom to do, such as driving a car, where do we draw the line, if in fact we do?

Purple, to knowingly risk is a concept that would be fraught, surely even whist driving a car you are knowingly risking your own and other lives, OK drivers and passengers should wear seat belts (potentially the driving equivalent of a mask??) but pedestrians can not, so should be all stay off motorised transport? Where is the line drawn, what is the 'knowingly risk, level that is acceptable to society?? And no, I do not have the answer, nor am I asking you for it, just musing.

Purple, I think the key word in your post is knowingly. Even vaccinated folk can pass the virus, that said I'm with you, if someone knew they were carrying it and didn't stay away then there should be retributions, however to the best of my knowledge I don't know anyone who would knowingly pass it on, unlike the old chicken pox parties, etc. showing my age now I guess.

Obviously they are trying to up the standard👍

Plus of course he is often invited on sky as a pundit and performs the role well imo. I suspect he is invited for a reason...

Some on here seem to have forgotten that so far he has only spent 21 months in management and is only 35, on top of that was almost thrust into the role at MK by the senior club management after they sacked Tisdale. It was not a role he was seeking at the time as he still wanted to continue playing for another season or two, that said he accepted the position and set about changing the way the club went about things. A very good friend of mine has a son-in-law who plays for Peterborough, and both my friend and his son-in-law said MK were the best team they came up against last season. Obviously MK and subsequently Swansea saw something in RM and some on here will know he is very articulate and intelligent, he has also passed all his coaching badges and also has a qualification in football club management as opposed to team management. Would he be a good fit for us right now, maybe not but in a couple of years I’m sure he will be, however, and here is the caveat, it is possible we may not be a good fit for him!!!

One of, if not the most, articulate is Russ Martin, also he is well informed, which is why he probably crops up on tv more than most. It will be interesting to see how MK Dons perform this season, they played some great football last season but possibly not consistently enough. A son-in-law of a mate of mine plays for Peterborough and both my mate and the player believe MK were the best team they played against last season and that they were lucky to come away with the points they did, which sort of reinforces the point re consistency?? Now RM has a full season under his belt I am expecting them to be challenging.

You'll get no argument from me re operating outside the realms of reality, albeit possibly for different reasons.

I may have already make the choice to be injected with said substances, I may not have. Only my health professional and I will ever know and long should it stay that way imo👍

Broadstairs, alcohol is a naturally occurring substance and I do my best to eat organic however I get your point,

Blimey Foxy, you've introduced religion now🤣 Therefore is it a God given right to stop me roaming the planet unless I've injected a foreign substance into my arm, twice.

Free country, I'm not so sure anymore Foxy, and I guess that is the crux of this discussion.

Is that the Royal We Foxy, because I certainly wouldn't.

So does staying off the road but millions don 't. I once heard someone say "life is risky", to which a reply came, "I'll tell you how risky it is, you won't be getting out alive". And a semantic point, you can never save a life, you may however be able to prolong the odd one.