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[quote user="star_manic"][quote user="......and Smith must score."][quote user="Highland Canary"] ........I am in that tiny minority group of posters that believe we remain in danger.. ......[/quote]I reckon if we were 24 points clear with 8 games to play you''d be saying it could all hinge on goal difference.[:D]Have you ever enjoyed watching NCFC ?[/quote]............has he ever WATCHED the Canaries?[:@][/quote] Err....I think you''ll find he went to Sunderland, says something........
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[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="CambridgeCanary"]We are obviously not mathematically safe. Are we realistically safe? I believe so and I find it hard to believe that you, Highland and others seem to spend so much time creating worse case apocalyptic scenarios to scare yourselves and then try and scare the rest of us. I''ve always thought 38 points was enough. Arry thinks 37 will do it. Every team in the Prem will get at least 5 points fron the last 9 games. It would be unprofessional incompetence not too. Even Peter Grant, hell even Bryan Gunn could keep us up from here. As for the players, let me put an alternative point of view. If they are not stressed out worrying about highly unlikely scenarios, they may well play better. relaxed, confident play can be as good as complacency can be bad. Mistakes are more likely when players are stressed. That is why the recent nervous tension at Carrow Road is as dangerous as it is unecessary. [/quote]Thumbs up.[/quote] Of course we''re not mathematically safe. But "realistically safe" ? What does that mean? There is no such thing as "realistically safe". Surely we either are safe or we are not safe. There is no middle ground. We are on course to be safe, but only if we play well and pick up points. Points are no guaranteed. they have to be fought for. Safe means mathematically safe, until we are mathematically safe there is still everything to play for.
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I''ve just read this in another thread (about a different subject) and it got me thinking, how many fans do actually think we are safe already? I find it hard to believe that fans think we''re safe when the season still has eight games to go. There is everything to play for and things could go well, or badly or a mixture of the two. We are in a good position to stay clear of the drop zone, but its not cut and dried. It made me think that I hope the players don''t think we''re safe, because any kind of complacency will lead to poor results. There is still everything to play for.
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[quote user="hogesar"]Well i''d say well done on Bunn certainly, but it''s a bit early to say well done on Camp. No evidence to suggest Rudd wouldn''t have done as well as Camp.[/quote] My thoughts exactly. As I''ve just said on another thread, sometimes you have to trust people that they can step up. Not objecting to Camp, but just think Rudd could have stepped in for the odd game when needed.
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Rudd would consider leaving us.
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to spencer 1970's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="nutty nigel"]It''s not really about age though is it? It''s about experience. The last time we let a young goalkeeper gain experience with us in thye premier league it didn''t go well. [/quote] You''re right, it''s not about age, but its not just about experience either. Its about ability and strength of character. You can send someone away until the cows come home to a lesser standard league and it still won''t prepare them for the top level. You''ve either got the strength of mind to deal with the top level of the game or you haven''t. Andy Marshall didn''t have what it takes and most of us knew it. A good shot stopper at times, but inconsistent, letting too many in he should have saved. Rudd and Steer have shown ability and the composure to deal with big matches. They may relish loan spells and good luck to them, but sometimes you have to take a chance on people. I''m not really saying the club are wrong to send them away on loan, but players are at this club for a reason. That reason should be that they are preparing themselves for the top level. If they are not, they are in the shop window. Maybe the jury is out on them and the club want to see how they develop. That''s fine, but as with outfield players, sooner or later the loans have to stop and decisions made. I would have thought Rudd/Steer have shown enough to be able to step in to the odd first team match where needed. For me its about strength of character and I think both of them have shown they have that. Their ability doesn''t seem in question. -
BBC Football predictor....
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to stoke canary's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]The easiest way to stop all of this knicker wetting is to beat Wigan. Do that and we are safe. Even a draw against Wigan maintains the gap with another game less to play. After they play us Wigan have 4 away games in a row, 3 of them in the league. [/quote] It strikes me that those that are so vocal in their desire to say "we''re safe" are the ones with the problem, not the people who are discussing the possible outcomes of different matches. -
Can understand the interest in Grant, but don''t think we should be commenting on members of his family on here.
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Rudd would consider leaving us.
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to spencer 1970's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="nutty nigel"]Joe Hart played over 50 times for Shrewsbury before he was at Man City. So he made his early mistakes for another club. Experience is a huge part of goalkeeper''s game. Experience they gain from learning from their own mistakes. Robert Green got that experience playing for us in the Championship but the Premier League is not the place to do it. The subsequent points lost could make the difference. [/quote] At what age was Hart when he went to Shrewsbury? In his teens. I don''t doubt that at a young age (18-21) a loan spell or two is not a bad thing. After a certain point though, it becomes plain that if the player hasn''t made the breakthrough, he is unlikely so to do. Its the same in any profession. To get to the top you either make the breakthrough when you are young or you face a hard slog over years to get there, most not making it and having to be satisfied with lesser positions. Rudd and Steer looked to be doing ok but at some point it has been decided they are to be farmed out for extra experience before they can be trusted. The stakes are high in the premiership, but sometimes, you have to trust people. That''s how Lambert worked and he is doing the same at Villa. Trust people and quite often you will be rewarded. Don''t trust them and they will almost inevitably think less of themselves as a result. -
Rudd would consider leaving us.
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to spencer 1970's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="City1st"]" If Rudd and Steer are not considered strong enough characters they should be sold. If we want players to come through we have to put them in when they are young enough to learn to deal with it. Most players have found their level by the age of 21 or 22. " That is absurd.They are being ''put in'', only with other clubs. Keepers tend to be older when they step up, and similarly stay longer. I trust the club, the manager and the coaches to know when they will be ready and what needs to be done to get them there. At the moment I am ok with what they and the club are doing, they also have probably a bit more first hand knowledge and experience than you do.[/quote] Was Paul Hart too young to put in the Man City side? He has made mistakes but is a strong enough character to deal with it. You don''t know until you try. That''s all I am saying. Constantly farming out players to lower league clubs is not giving them the experience that they need to be at the top level. Its giving them experience to play in the lower leagues. It might be ok to loan a player out once or twice, but continual loaning out is not development is not imo in the player''s best interest. "At the moment I am ok with what they and the club are doing, they also have probably a bit more first hand knowledge and experience than you do." That may be so, but I am still entitled to my opinion based on years of experience with young people. If you trust them they quite often respond positively. If you don''t trust them, there is very little chance they will respond positively, probably quite the opposite. -
Rudd would consider leaving us.
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to spencer 1970's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="City1st"]" If Rudd and Steer are not considered strong enough characters they should be sold. If we want players to come through we have to put them in when they are young enough to learn to deal with it. Most players have found their level by the age of 21 or 22. " That is absurd.They are being ''put in'', only with other clubs. Keepers tend to be older when they step up, and similarly stay longer. I trust the club, the manager and the coaches to know when they will be ready and what needs to be done to get them there. At the moment I am ok with what they and the club are doing, they also have probably a bit more first hand knowledge and experience than you do.[/quote] Wut was Paul Hart too young to put in the Man City side? He has made mistakes but is a strong enough character to deal with it. You don''t know until you try. That''s all I am saying. Constantly farming out players to lower league clubs is not giving them the experience that they need to be at the top level. Its giving them experience to play in the lower leagues. It might be ok to loan a player out once or twice, but continual loaning out is not development is not imo in the player''s best interest. "At the moment I am ok with what they and the club are doing, they also have probably a bit more first hand knowledge and experience than you do." That may be so, but I am still entitled to my opinion based on years of experience with young people. If you trust them they quite often respond positively. If you don''t trust them, there is very little chance they will respond positively, probably quite the opposite. -
Rudd would consider leaving us.
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to spencer 1970's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
"It''s Character Forming"I think the logic is that if your young keeper has to come into the side and learn the hard way, he could make mistakes which cost points. Unlike most lines of work where someone can check what you do, a keeper gets no second chances. Lets say Bunn hadn''t been brought in and Rudd had cost us 3 or 4 points over the period since Ruddy was injured -I don''t think people on here would be understanding about the decision to gamble without an experienced understudy for a second season." The idea of blooding youngsters has gone out of fashion because of the financial pressure on clubs to be successful. But if Rudd or Steer came in and make the odd mistake, as all keepers do, then so be it. A keeper has to be a strong character. If Rudd and Steer are not considered strong enough characters they should be sold. If we want players to come through we have to put them in when they are young enough to learn to deal with it. Most players have found their level by the age of 21 or 22. The breakthrough players come in at 17/18 and get odd games at the top level and eventually become permanent fixtures in their teams. Put them in, get them the experience at the top level and if they then don''t cut it, sell them on. There is a popular misconception that youngsters can''t hack the pressure cooker of the premiership. Imo they can, if you give them the chance. At some stage they have to be given a chance at the top level. The younger the better. -
BBC Football predictor....
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to stoke canary's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="ncfcstar"]Not sure if any of you listened to the Monday Night Club on Radio 5 last night, but they had Motty, Claridge and a journo predict the rest of the season. NONE of them had us going down, NONE of them had us finishing lower than 12th...which perfectly sums up our negative fan base. Claridge and Motty had Villa, Reading, QPR and the journo had Wigan, Reading, QPR (if I remember correctly). WE HAVE NOTHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT.[/quote] There''s nothing negative at looking at possible scenarios for the run in to the end of the season. With Wigan picking up points its going to be a battle to stay up for the bottom ten clubs. QPR and Reading may well not make it but that third spot is not cut and dried. "We have nothing to worry about" sounds a bit complacent if you ask me. I hope the team aren''t thinking like you. -
Rudd would consider leaving us.
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to spencer 1970's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
In most walks of life, if you''re good enough you''re old enough. There is a totally false mechanism that works in the premiership in that you''re only good enough if you are cynical, money grabbing and have a fancy foreign name. Rudd and Steer, given the opportunity would do ok imo. You have to be brave to give youngsters a chance. Quite often they will surprise you and learn quickly. But..............they don''t get the chance [:(] They can''t get the experience at the top level, because they''ve got no experience at the top level. So they have to go to lower leagues on loan where they get experience at being lower league players. Where is the logic? Like I said it should be - if you''re good enough, you''re old enough. Put them in the first team occasionally and let them learn the hard way. Paul Lambert follows that rule and just maybe he is right. -
Mild mannered Chris Hughton
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to Mr Angry's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
Calling Chris Hughton mild-mannered is underselling him imo. He plainly likes people and that is what come across more than anything. Because he likes people, a people person, if you like, he is liked in return, by almost everyone that meets him. It is not mild manneredness that is at the heart of his character, it is more that he is genuine, open and honest. We are lucky we have several characters like this at CR. Grant Holt, Russell Martin are two that always come across well, that''s why they show as captains. There are probably others as well, but at the heart of the club we have good strong likeable characters and that will always serve us well. People use the "mild-mannered" tag as some kind of insult, as if there is something wrong with it. Well the performance we put up against Sunderland shows there is steel there too, not forgetting the performances earlier in the season. That steel is what is making us hard to beat. Nothing wrong with being mild-mannered or genuine, or likeable, as long as the team is doing well. And overall, despite the difficulties, we are doing well. -
Holt may or may not feel in top form, whether through the system we play or just through being off form. Whatever, he always gives his best and has put in some really good performances for the team, despite what the knockers say. If he is slightly off form, or struggling for fitness (which I doubt) he should be able to rely on the supporters to get behind him on the strength of his past record. Encouragement that would help him back to form. The way it is going with some supporters, the opposite will happen. He might just think, beggar it, they don''t appreciate me here anymore, I might as well move. Imo he has a role here for the next two years, maybe less as a starter as time goes on, but still influential. The midfield bear quite a lot of the responsibility for the lack of goals, so get off Holt''s back, he is still a player.
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Holt Dropped...
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to Yellow Messiah's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
I think you''ll find we''re going to miss him today. His workrate and overall contribution to the team is underated by some of you. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"]I think you should all nail your colours to the mast for next season. Do you want Hughton to get us playing direct football when we have the ball or a passing game? And do you want him to get us being solid and difficult to break down when we don''t have the ball or would you rather a more kamikaze style just in case we win the ball back? I believe it''s Hughton''s game plan when we don''t have the ball that frustrates many people. A lot of Prem clubs play the same way. Intrerestingly Southampton managed to net three against "all hail the messiah" Rogers yesterday.[/quote] The football we have played this season has deteriorated beyond what is acceptable to the paying massses. If we stay up this season we will need to see an improvement to the football, to a mixture of passing football and direct football. Hughton''s teams in the past have all been capable of this balanced kind of play which has meant solidity throughout the team. We are only half way there. The defence is on its way to being sorted, next season has to see an improvement in the rest of the team. Kamikaze football is for Blackpool and other wannabe clubs. Hughton, as some of us still think, is the real deal and will sort it out. His job depends on it.
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Prediction for today
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to ur just a man in a jacket's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="Stig"]Our lack of goal scoring will really come round to bite us in the arse as the defence falls apart under a rabbid, determined Sunderland take the game straight to us. We''ll hold out for fifteen minutes before Danny Graham slots one past us, and we''ll all think of what could have been - as we come out of our danny graham day dream we''ll see it is in fact 2-0 now but this time it was Fletcher after Turner deflects it straight into his path. The game will slow down with Norwich having had little chances as they sulk off to the changing room. God knows what Chris Hughton will say to them at half time, but it won''t matter because they''ve already switched off. The second half kicks off and Norwich have about five minutes of good attacking play, before ultimately succumbing to our lack of passing prowess. Hoolahan sees a brilliant and not so difficult pass to Grant Holt who is in the area, but he takes one touch too many and is dispossessed. Sunderland immediatly take advantage of the break and Danny Graham roars past Garrido and cuts into the box. A little one two later, and he has his second. Hughton is going mad on the touchline "PASS! PASS!" and this not so glorious refrain continues well into the 75th minute where upon he decides to make his first substitution. Becchio pats Holt on the back, better luck next time he says to the visibly exhausted Norwich captain. Becchio makes little impact, if any but down the other end Graham seals off the win on the 86th minute with his hattrick. Hughton on the touchline looks puzzled... he turns to trollop and asks if he has forgotten something. A moment later Bennet and Kamara are replacing Hoolahan and Snodgrass. The whistle blows on the 92nd minute. Some Norwich players clap towards the away fans, but they''ve already gone home.4-0.[/quote] Meanwhile, in the real world............a dull uninspiring game from two out of form teams, both realising the importance of picking up at least one point today. 0-0. -
Norwich fans not from Norwich?
Ha ya got a loight boy? replied to chris bakewell's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
[quote user="Shankslad"]The last two posts may Give Mumbo Bunnykins some food for thought? [/quote] Naaa....you can only have thoughts if you''ve got a brain. -
I don''t think we can look to any particular game to look for points. The points have to come from somewhere and they may be tomorrow or maybe the last day of the season! We are not safe yet and people that pretend we are, are not being realistic. As has been said, its all ifs and buts. We have to get points from somewhere as 33 is not enough. In that situation there are eleven clubs who are in danger and we are just another club in the mix. Its not over till the fat lady sings and we could end up bottom and we could end up in the top ten. Anything is still possible and everything else is just guesswork. But one thing is certain - finding a goal or two from somewhere would help!
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[quote user="Phillip J Fry"]Since the start of the year Norwich have played 9 games in 2013. Norwich have amassed 8 points from those games, out of a possible 27 (29% of all total points).There are 38 games in a Premier League season. If Norwich carried this form throughout the season they would finish on about 11 points. [/quote] ???