It''s an absolute disaster. Don''t let the emotional blackmail arguers and happy clapper types shout us down. We have to have a new era of ownership at the club. I don''t care where they come from in the world. We can''t be passive as fans and exploited forever. Enough is enough. This was the last chance to turn our fortunes around after a succession of duff managers (Lambert aside) and they''ve blown it. We have to make some noise and react in a democratic and vocal way. Let them know we''re not happy. The local media are in the pocket of the establishment. but we don''t have to be.
Quite right, this is time to unite AGAINST the board. We could well be relegated with this appointment, and be back to the days of Gunn. As if League 1 was good enough at any time.... the place we want to be, or should be...... you don''t let things rot until you go back to where we came from! All the work that Lambert did, is being destroyed. He was the only one of quality at the club, take him away and all the rest are incompetents. Delia has presided over 3 relegations, and 3 promotions, so we haven''t advanced under her time. If anyone with comparable money like Cullum wants to come forward, now is the time. The problem is that Delia, despite paying Chase £1 million, would probably want £100 million plus for her shares now. So it''s not going to happen. She doesn''t want to leave anyway. We have to have principles, and the time has come to turn nasty and look to the long term. With Delia as the majority share holder, we are always going to be "little Norwich". She hasn''t a clue, and never has. McNasty is no better. Boycotting the games is the only option, and protests outside the ground.
Awful, awful, awful. How can we unite behind the club when things like this happen? Aside from Lambert, I haven''t had a manager I was in favour of going back years now. Grant, Roeder, Gunn, Hughton. After everything that had happened, still they don''t learn? Stunned!!!!
Couldn''t agree more. Horrible Hughton. I lost faith with him after that 5-0 against Fulham, that 10 game spell never changed my view. We are now a whole YEAR on from that time! He'' an anti-football manager. An enemy of British football, a dinosaur. We are losing money because of his negativity. No tv companies want to show our games live, why would they, no attacking players want to join us. All because of his defeatism. We are more anonymous than ever in the global media. I am sorry the board and fans don''t have more pride in our reputation. You would think we were a newly promoted team, not 3 years established. What happened to a philosophy and evolution? Principles? Hughton''s style makes Howard Wilkinson look like Pep Guardiola! He has promoted the ''Little Norwich'' mentality and all the happy clappers have bought it!
And the coverage of the 2012 accounts was also totally superficial; there was nothing beyond the headline figures and as far as I can see nothing, for example, on McNally''s massive bonus, which was what set the OP off.
I stopped reading when he started calling him Houghton. THAT IS NOT HIS NAME !!
Don''t be pedentic ..... you know who I mean. Have you seen the spelling on here.... the text speak. That I can''t understand!
As least he has been made aware that not everyone is happy at the moment. Hecame out with the line ''that perhaps we have been living in a bubble here atRadio Norfolk'' because he didn''t realise that not everyone shares his viewsthat all is hunky dory. He seemed quite shocked by Geff.... good!
That particular caller articulated my thoughts quite well. I was pleasedthat I am not alone. As this forum represents.
My upset with the coverage during my 20 years of listening is that there isno balance... everything is positive about the club, even when we were inLeague 1. They use reasoning and arguments to support the regime, whoever itis, and it does stand out when someone doesn''t tow the party line, like thatGeff.
What the staff do at the club is opinion, not necessarily fact or reality....but the presenters make it seem indisputable and rational. No debate is had, noalternative. Sit on the fence BBC.
Canary call is a platform for differing viewpoints but that hasonly been around a few years don’t forget. Before that it was dear Roy on hisown. Cootie as his sidekick, when not part of the matchday squad, gave his bestperformances for the club in the commentary box!
McVeigh isn''t very respectful for those with a different opinion to hisown... he tries to make them seem foolish. He is perfectly entitled to respondand engage in physical sparring, it is a phone-in…… but trying to paint them asill informed isn’t right. Just because we didn’t play pro football like him,doesn’t mean we don’t have the qualifications to have an opinion. We areseasoned observers and paying customers.
Forbes is the same as McVeigh, a supporter of the establishment, but atleast he has manners.
I did like Adams also, he had more democratic virtues. But he was employed by theclub don’t forget! So it can only go so far!
No one wanted to do him out of ajob, but he had the intelligence to know where the boundaries were for his clubrole, and when to be diplomatic. But it’s hardly ideal…… When he left theacademy he was then free to express an unbiased opinion.
However, maybe he was then bias AGAINST Roeder at the time, in the same waythat McVeigh is anti-Lambert, because of HIS personal history.
Someone with independence would be better, a neutral.... any Swiss punditsout there?
Well I am glad that there is more of a balanced view on this forum..... Ihave listened to Radio Norfolk for too long and become sick of thepro-establishment bias which oozes through the pores of all thepresenters/pundits. It is a BBC thing admittedly….. ‘Auntie beeb’. Nanny knows best.
I suppose they have to maintain a relationship with the staff of NCFC socan''t be seen to criticise. They have to be granted access to the manager forthe weekly interview after the game.... or should it be called Party PoliticalBroadcast!
I have never heard a decent journalistic question asked to any Norwichmanager in 20 years! Just a serious of clichés, excuses and comments about howwe could do better. Never a truthful response, reality check or apology to thefans. I know this is the same with all football managers/players.... they aremedia trained to be the most boring people in the world so they don''t offendanyone or undermine their own position.
I am sure that the bonus and wages of the Chief Exec are not general publicknowledge, I have only found one web page on it currently, and never spoke witha fan who heard of it. Never heard it on Radio Norfolk or the local TV news. Ithink fans wouldn''t appreciate it if they knew.... it''s a lot of money forsomeone who doesn''t kick a ball or coach.
Currently, he gets paid a Premiership wage for signing Championship players!
The AGM generally doesn’t get much media coverage.. it is not a very sexysubject granted, but then when it comes to commenting on anything to do withthe club it is essential to have the facts to hand.
The media reports what happens on the pitch, more than off it…… but actuallythe finances shape the teams performances. I think the McNally bonus for lastseason is relevant when we have the hours of speculation over playerstrengthening in January.
But the supporters of McNally can''t have it both ways... he can''t take thecredit for appointing Lambo (but then I blame him for losing him as well) butthen not have the responsibility if the team does bad on the pitch. He appointedHoughton...... and I and many fans don''t rate him.
It is a team effort and he takes the praise when it goes well, but thenshould shoulder the blame when it doesn''t.
I don''t see how his impact since coming to the club has been thatsignificant anyway.... I''m not sure that he has done much better thanDoncaster. That will upset you. He got lucky with appointing Lambert, and thenit was HIS ability that took the team so far. I don''t see that DM did anythingso spectacular.... nothing that any reasonable Chief exec doesn''t do?
I am not totally satisfied that Lambert couldn''t have been retained......certainly more could have been done to keep him. How about paying him HISbonus?????
There seemed an arrogance, or naivety, by everyone, including the fans, thatthe ball could keep on rolling without the main man. That the players weregenuinely established Premiership players. Of course we like to think the bestin life, and stay positive.
It was just my interpretation in the summer that the team was in a fragilesituation... they overachieved last year, second season syndrome to come andLambert got the best out of the players. I don''t rate many of the team asindividuals... but collectively they did magnificently. The manager had theminus touch... but take that away and it was always going to be a struggle.
The teams position is on a knife edge.... I don''t know which way it is goingto go, like anyone else. The points to game ratio isn''t as high for thestrugglers compared to other seasons, and we might be saved with 3 poor teamsbelow us. I just don''t like the style of play, one away win, playing fordraws…… but my main contention is the dealings in the transfer market.
I feel short changed with the signings made in the last two windows, we havetwo years of Premiership money and yet the signings, with a few exceptions,haven''t progressed in calibre. We are still signing players from theChampionship and I don''t see any excuses for that. Quality is quality andplayers are where they are for a reason.
The gap, as we know, financially based, is so vast between the 2 leaguesthat I find it impossible that in the main, players signed from the likes ofLeeds can succeed in the Prem. We have got lucky with many... Snodgrass isbrilliant for instance, but that can''t go on forever. Pedigree is pedigree.
Many of the fans seem to assume that when Norwich buy a player from a lowlystatus.... suddenly he is transformed and good enough for the Premier League.Do the fans have that much faith in Houghton? Why? That''s naive. He’s not thatperfect.
Chase eventually run out of luck with his policy of doing a similar thing,buying players from below and making them good.
Norwich as a club have gambled that the current squad is good enough tosurvive, but i don''t share that view. I feel they should refund the seasonticket holders some of their money because it''s not right to make us payPremiership prices for Championship signings. The squad hasn’t evolved.
McNally argued when fans were moaning about the cost of the Spurs League Cuptie tickets that “ all proceeds will go to strengthening in January”. At theend of the window, we ended up with the same number of strikers as before andspent maybe a few hundred thousand on the difference between Bechio andMorison. Not that we know for sure the costs involved…. We are not respectedwith that information, every other club make most transfer fees available forpublic scrutiny, except us, on every transfer since Mc came in. It would benice to know if Bassong is our all time record signing for the history books…but we can only speculate.
Surely if he states that he will use the fans money for transfer targets,then if he doesn’t get anyone in, then he hasn’t fulfilled his end of thebargain? He’s tried to sign players butfailed. Worth another bonus?
Someone made the comment that we were in the loop to buy Hooper…. Wellthat’s not good enough. You either sign a player on the dotted line or youdon’t. He has control, it’s his job!
Bids can be PR exercises anyway… fans assume they indicate ambition. Theyare means to an end that’s all, the first step.
If McNally is such a skilled operator why didn’t he have more irons in thefire….. the Premiership attracts the best players in the world from everycountry in the world.. except for us. We have 9 scouts… all in Europe. That isnot enough. Wigan have signed 5 players from Honduras… but without scouts weare not going to find them. We don’t seem to have the contacts of our rivals,signing the Michu’s of this world. We don’t seem aware of players outside theUK market. It’s a bit like all the signings Lambert made from his Germancontacts!
Even the few that we do know of like the Sporting Lisbon striker….. wedidn’t sign him anyway so what good did it do us?
Oh… the summer I hear you say, do it then, buy players then….. which I heardHoughton mentioned. Remember, we were saying that a year ago… “if only we canstay up we can sign all these great players”. Change the record. What if we arein the Championship again? At least Bechio can score some goals at that level!
I don’t believe that any of our rivals would sign the players we do, like aSwansea, and I don’t think that many of them would like to buy our currentplayers. We, the fans, and the board, still seem to have a championship mentality,‘Little Norwich’ …. We have to move beyond that…. Slowly but surely.
Of course I am moaning, but then this is the outlet for it. I care.
I just think it’s a shame that we could have blown this excellent positionwe were in last summer. I don’t want to go back to the championship for maybe10 years like before. ‘Prudence with ambition’.
McNally has created a culture in his time of bottom down dealings... wherethe club retains all information for itself, and the media doesn’t hold theclub to account. The establishment cooperate with each other to keep the fansout of the loop. But then we are just consumers according to many on thisboard..... we think no more of the club than we do a product in a shop. Wechoose our club like coke or pepsi, we change every week and it means nothing.There is no passion in football fandom apparently. No loyalty. I don''t know why I''ve had a season ticket for 20 years.
Whether his performance has been good is open to debate, I would argue that spending all summer looking for a striker, and then January... and not getting one in of top flight quality is not good enough. We are averaging one goal a game and won one away match all season. We will see on the pitch at the end of the season. I don''t see that the club has progressed since the summer, less points than last year. Unwatchable style of football.
Football is a business. What sticks in the throat is when you receive calls as a season ticket holder begging you to donate money to the academy. Like with the season ticket academy payment.... it seems emotional blackmail... not like a business, over issues like this. I don''t think many fans of tesco feel the passion and devotion for the ''brand'' that a football fan does.
With the ticket prices going up and up, we do have the choice not to attend, we vote with our money, but it is easier not to visit a particular shop on principle, rather than stop going to the football ground you have attended for 50 years.
It''s a shame that football clubs aren''t closer to the public sector model, rather than private. Where we are given information. I''m not a socialist, and know it''s not an ideal world.
Fans don''t have the power anymore than any other consumer, but we can give an opinion, they can''t take that away. People on here do try to stifle debate and seem to automatically side with the hierachy. As though everything they do is perfect. Questioning the board is nothing to do with love for the club. The club is bigger than individuals.... they are just passing through.
As you say, McNally would soon jump ship if someone offered him more money.
If this is true, I don''t know if it is, why isn''t it worth discussing? I suppose it is boring, but is it any different to all those that question the bonuses at Local Government level?
Why does the local media not report this issue, like the situation of making all incoming transfers fees undisclosed? Is the club not accountable and transparent? I feel it''s a shame that the independent Supporters Club is no longer running to question issues like this. It is the fans money after all.
Why do you assume staying up is a given? With our players and management! Why do the fans think the best all the time whatever those at the top do? We are allowed to criticise, we all want the club to succceed. It would be a shame to let all Lambert''s work go to waste and go back to square one. I hope we don''t regret not signing a decent striker in the windows and not trying to win some away games like at Reading and West Brom. In the long term, either this season or next, attacking football will be the winner. Not the Worthington approach.