Ian

Really significant whiff of bins on here tonight.

It was just an inept display of refereeing. I understand it's a very difficult job, but firstly he allows Ayling and Howson to both go through the back of Sainz in a potentially dangerous way, without any sort of sanction, and then gives a red card presumably to something he thought he saw happen but didn't. Zero consistency.

Made me laugh when Radio Norfolk were defending him, suggesting he was beyond reproach and was just drawing the ref's attention to it like a professional footballer should. Presumably they missed the bit where he hopped around several times as if his leg had been shot.

It's fine, there's still plenty of time for this season to swing again. Give em enough rope...

Just a stupid decision for Madley to send him off. Nobody would have batted an eyelid had it been given as a yellow, or even just a free kick. Totally unnecessary, if you want to argue that's a red by the letter of the law you miss the point of those laws being there in the first place.

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Did we learn nothing from Iwan?

Thanks, I didn't read your post before I posted mine, honestly!

The conditions were horrendous first half, so not really a surprise we weren't at our sharpest - I personally didn't see that Kenny was any weaker than anybody else. This was one of those attritional games that you get every season in the Championship, but we still had plenty of good chances. Would be very surprised if Kenny's pass completion was not around 80-85%, which is around what you would expect for someone is his role on a day like today, surely?

Exactly that. Fans are becoming really thin-skinned.

Jim, this is pretty desperate.

Absolutely agree with this, guessing the miserable gits on this thread aren't at the match.

I am absolutely sure you are right and the horrendous conditions have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Not looking like great business to loan him out at the moment, but if he has a huge impact at Celtic, he either comes back with confidence or puts a zero on his value...

Could have done with a substitute like that yesterday.

Just because you've repeated yourself time and time again doesn't make you correct. Presumably you give Wagner credit for the many times his substitutions have won us matches this season? Or I suppose you see that as more evidence he gets the starting line up wrong?

This is exactly right. It's actually pathetic that people are saying our best players "cover up for Wagner". It goes without saying that a team is going to be poorer when losing their best players. This is true of even the very best teams in the country, and especially true when you consider the (lack of/ depth in our squad. Trying to twist injuries into an anti-manager stance just shows these people aren't arguing in good faith.

Didn't look very sharp up front today, thought we had some excellent opportunities that we would have taken last week. A point away is alright, keeps the unbeaten run going as well.

Actually an awful decision to rule that out, he must be a yard behind McCallum and the ball when it's played. Linesman should be seeing that surely?

Very strange comparison (and I do anticipate this is a bit of a wind-up), but Wagner has achieved nothing with Norwich yet. If he somehow gets us up, and somehow we survive in the top tier it will be a valid argument to have, until then Farke is clearly head and shoulders above Wagner.

Honestly, how much better could he have been? Unless you think Wagner is at fault for his injuries.

What do you mean "under-utilised"? Is he not our top scorer and has been pretty much a guaranteed starter under Wagner?

Don't disagree with this at all, but surely then people have the right to point out booing when the team is winning 2-1, and then go on to win 4-2, makes you look particularly moronic, as well as petulant and childish?

Just out of interest, why were you disappointed with the line-up last night? Without Rowe, it's difficult to see how Wagner could pick a more attacking line up.

For me, it is very simple. I want the club to achieve the best it can at any one time - that includes promotion from this division regardless of how we get on with the Premiership. I am really confused with the lack of ambition from a lot of the fans - I get that it's not great to see us being smashed every week in the Premiership, but that's the reality if we want to progress. I would also hope that Knapper's approach would be very different to Webber's in the Premiership, and that we would have learnt something as a club from these experiences. Also, the massive point that I think the "stay in Championshippers" miss is that without progress to the Premiership, and the money that comes along with it, there would be absolutely no guarantee we would be competing at the top of the Championship in the coming years. Far more likely is that we would lose all our best players, struggle to attract the Sainz/Sara style in-betweeners, and become a mid to lower table team with other teams taking our place. It's simply not an "either-or" situation - without the yo-yo style Premership money and exposure we would start to drop like a stone.