Monty13

I've argued it was a choice because there is no such thing as an "inevitable decision", its an oxymoron. Either it was inevitable or it was a decison, it can't be both. Apology accepted. I don't dispute he may not have every minute detail, but what he does have seems compelling to me. I believe there is always "interest" in good players, how much interest has there been in Max? However when things solidified we seem to have the big details of from Bailey. Incidentally I believe it was knowledge of these details which is one of the resoans Bailey's relationship with the club started to suffer.

What does this mean exactly then? You arent calling Bailey a liar but you are saying he can't timeline anything? What exactly do you take issue with what he laid out? Yes I said that, end of May means two weeks, whats your point? How have you unpicked anything, can you explain? Because its literally what I (well Bailey) said. I agree, and as it started end of May and Webbers interview was two weeks earlier there was one. I've literally told you multiple times, I'm not disputing the player may have wanted to leave, players always want to move to bigger clubs for more money. That doesnt change the fact we choose to sell him.

You commented on my answer to another posters question with again your opinion of what happened. If it’s immaterial to the now…why did you feel the need to comment on it? We are on a thread discussing how we got to the now, Parma has put forward the sale of Buendia as the initial nexus point. I’ve categorised what we know with a timeline. You are essentially calling Bailey, who I would probably say is the single most reputable journalist covering NCFC, a liar. My position is and always has been with what the available evidence suggests, and will be unless any new evidence is offered or anything remotely concrete to contradict. We wanted to sell one of our players, we did sell a player and it was Buendia. I agree with Parma. That is the initial point in the explanation of how we got to now. Please feel free to actually unpick the timeline I’ve put forward with some actual evidence to the contrary, I’d be genuinely interested.

Sources who would of known, that’s what real journalism is. Immaterial to what? How can it be immaterial to your assertion that it was a sale that was worked on prior to that summer when there’s no evidence of that, in fact the only evidence contradicts that? I laid out the timeline for you in a previous thread. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary, you never did in that thread: What’s more telling to me is the timings. The idea that the only reason we sold Buendia is because he wanted to leave doesn’t quite fit the timings. 8 May we draw with Barnsley to end the season. 13 May Webber gives his infamous interview basically telling the world our best players are for sale. End of May (according to Bailey) Norwich start a bidding process for Buendia. During that bidding Process Buendia makes it clear he wants to move to Villa (again according to Bailey) So did Buendia between the last game and Webbers clearly pre planned interview (5 days) tell Webber he’d never play for the club? He said Buendia let them know that at the “end of the season” in his October interview, that doesn’t mean directly on final whistle, we don’t know when that means. Given Norwich apparently started a bidding process for him more than 3 weeks after the season ended and over 2 weeks after that interview, why did we wait if he already gave us an ultimatum and we accepted it? Also Bailey says he made it clear to the club during the bidding process he wanted to go to Villa. Brave player to tell the club he’s never going to play again without a solid suitor and that seems like it occurred sometime in June. I don’t see any reason with what we know to believe Buendia had given the club an ultimatum before Webbers interview, therefore the easy read for me is we unsettled our own player and ultimately we got the sale we intended to even if we’d preferred another player. Despite protestations I don’t see any evidence that counters that.

Fair, being hard to beat while not always turning it on up front is much more likely to get you success than our version where we aren’t hard to beat or firing up front.

This division looks wide open right now. Burnley seem to have that knack of getting goals and results they need more often than not, signs of potential champions, but I don’t think they look as dominant as people are making out.

The only one I’m aware of where I think he said this was addressing the rumour long after the event. Bailey is a journalist, he would have corroborated his information or he wouldn’t have written it, be very surprised if anything else was the case as he wasn’t speculating he was confirming. “Contrary to popular belief in Norwich, there had been no agreement between Buendia and the club 12 months ago that one more season of service would be rewarded with a guaranteed move away – although there were brief discussions in November over a potential transfer to a club in Saudi Arabia. Nothing materialised there, nor were Norwich interested in sanctioning such a move.”

In recent times it’s selling Buendia, the last 18 months is traced back to that decision for me. Dont get me wrong, suspect we’d still be in the championship but things may have been different.

When did Webber dismiss that rumour? I’m not aware of anything before Bailey’s article.

I believe it’s been confirmed there was no agreement. I’m pretty sure I remember a piece where Bailey wrote that was the case.

I was making the point if most peoples reaction is meh (I don’t know if it is, that’s why I said maybe a lot of people like it) but the club thought it was a good use of resources for some reason it’s potentially a minor example of not understanding what your supporters actually want. Not sure what’s illogical about that or desperate, indicators are simply that indication not conclusive.

I think you can look at everything as indicators, just obviously of various importance. I have no idea personally what the point of a light show or flames for instance is. It’s not free either financially or in time to organise. The pre match entertainment Its a very American thing and we see it increasingly in this country but as we are culturally very different I’m not sure what it’s meant to achieve and therefore what they are trying to achieve. On the point of a disconnect someone somewhere decided to put on a light show, so obviously think that’s what the fans want. Maybe many do and I’m out of touch.

That’s been the line since the season started, must be some investigation.

Emi was Championship cheat mode, he was almost unplayable second title season.

I really like the look of Sara, but I also can’t shake the feeling we’ve wasted a lot of money on a vanity signing given his reported cost.

Rugby tackle, commentators said it was half and half but to me it looked a penalty and I bet would have been given in a Prem game (to a big team anyway).

We sacked Farke because he let himself be sacked. He let himself take the heat for what was mainly Webber’s teams fault. However he must have at least in some capacity agreed to the sale of Buendia and our summer recruitment. To agree to change his style of play and then failed to make that work. My biggest issue with Farke is that he didn’t use his credit in the bank to force issues that ultimately lead to his dismissal. He made it too easy to sack him, maybe he was just too trusting, bet he won’t make the same mistakes again…suspect we will though.

We aren’t showing even the slightest sign of bothering any team that will be winning this league so I’m not worrying about the gap to 1st personally.

He’s still coming back from injury and played at the weekend. Hayden and McCallum were always coming off.

I always thought it odd people thought this. Farkes team always seemed to me well drilled but relatively rigid in philosophy, although there was plenty of fluidity in movement. When it worked it was sublime. When it didn’t it looked one dimensional. I’ve heard from a few different places now Smith wants his team to be more fluid in approach, understand and solve their own problems, react to the game not be dogmatic. Maybe we just don’t have the players, especially when a good chunk of them have spent years in many cases in completely the opposite environment.

Amazed by the level of negativity on here. People aware there was a good opposition also playing? I think we should and could have won that, but that was one of the most entertaining 0-0s I’ve seen in a while.

What commentary were you watching? Sky commentators were saying what a good game it was.

Would the ref have had to give a red by letter of the law? If so I think that’s why he bottled it. I think it’s a foul but a red would have been harsh.

Pity we faded. One of our best 45 mins this season in terms of performance I thought.