The Gruffalo

Well being nice, applauding and smiling politely hardly saved us from being relegated twice did it?

[quote user="Jeremy Cluckson"][quote user="militantcanary"]I object to it because its a major sign that the Club is losing empathy with the fans, we will do it, renew the kit every year that is because everyone else is doing it is a seriously poor argument Mr McNally. In fact he is saying that as all big clubs piss their fans off we need to do as well. Being Norwich makes us better than Man U with their prawn sandwich brigade and glory hunters, don''t try to make us like them. Especially when there is no real difference to last year apart from the collar. We couldn''t even get a decent Kit manufactuer like Nike or Addidas. This and the treatment of the kit leaker make us look like a club with no sense of humour, arrogant and money grabbers, was that the idea?[/quote]Losing empathy?Unfortunately too many on here think NCFC is their best friend, when infact they see ''supporters'' as a necessary evil and nothing more.[/quote]Well there are certainly a few who are not so freindly with the club these days.Maybe they would care to see a return of Doncaster and Munby? They used to be friendly with them, until of course...

Great, let''s get Doomy back. A lot on here never wanted him and Munby to go in the first place, as we were told by them what a wonderful job they were doing and that nobody could do it better!No wonder certain people at the club no longer want to entertain people like that.

Ahh bless cry me a river. Just because Mr McNally doesn''t like you!Anyone with sense take note.

Comical!

Whoops, it''s like Clash of the Titans on here.Be very careful who you trust!

Still sponsored by Aviva?

So fan power can make a difference then Nutty? Yes MCFC ended up with worse than what they had previously and I believe there were better offers on the table for them at the time than the offer from Franny Lee, but to say the years of pressure that Man City fans put Swales under had no effect whatsoever would be wide of the mark in my opinion.Yes you need somebody else to step in and that will always be a gamble that could swing one way or the other, but fans are capable of pushing through changes at clubs.

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="The Gruffalo"][quote user="nutty nigel"] You are right Kippax. Despite all the pressure groups and fans associations fans have no real say in their clubs destiny.   [/quote]Well ours at Carrow Road certainly don''t anyway. Remember when we were relegated to League 1 and our biggest pressure group done absolutely nothing until the curtain on our season had closed away at Charlton? To make matters worse they then called a fans meeting in which they contrived to come up with a plan of starving the manager of tranfer funds for our coming season in League 1, rather than putting direct pressure on all of the people they deemed worthy of blame.Pure genius![/quote]   Interesting. What action are you saying this pressure should have taken DURING the season? Blackburn-style marches and chants during games? Boycotts of games? Pressure on corporate sponsors to withdraw funding? What specifically? And starting when? [/quote]If that is what their members voted for then yes. But there has never been a proper breakdown of what this organisations members voted for has there. Are you a member of said organisation Purple?It does not matter to me as I am not part of the little organisation who finds belittling it''s own clubs fans is top of it''s agenda.

[quote user="nutty nigel"]   And when have any club''s pressure groups and fan''s associations ever made any difference?     [/quote]Funny that you should mention that on a thread about Manchester City. Didn''t their fans once hound out Peter Swales?

I would be very surprised to see more than 3,500

[quote user="Sports Desk Pete"]Major new commercial deal and 2012/13 kit revealed to the media at FCR tomorrow...[/quote]How long is left to run on our existing kit sponsorship deal with Aviva?

Red shirted fella? Now that may explain it, was it DE in his Man Utd shirt?

[quote user="nutty nigel"]You are right Kippax. Despite all the pressure groups and fans associations fans have no real say in their clubs destiny.   [/quote]Well ours at Carrow Road certainly don''t anyway. Remember when we were relegated to League 1 and our biggest pressure group done absolutely nothing until the curtain on our season had closed away at Charlton? To make matters worse they then called a fans meeting in which they contrived to come up with a plan of starving the manager of tranfer funds for our coming season in League 1, rather than putting direct pressure on all of the people they deemed worthy of blame.Pure genius!

[quote user="Fellas"][quote user="The Gruffalo"][quote user="TIL 1010"] [quote user="The Gruffalo"]The author of Soccernomics,  Stefan Szymanski, talks out of his backside almost as much as you do [/quote] So what makes your take on it all stack up better than someone like Szymanski? To coin one of your favourite belittling comments....you really are an idiot Duffalo. [/quote]It is not just my analysis of it though is it Plod? The link I have provided is a critique of Szymanski''s work. This critique comes to similar conclusions as I do. Syzmanski fails to provide sufficient evdience for his belief that Wages offer a better correlation to a teams success than transfer fees do because the evidence that he needs is not available to him or anyone else, just as accurate evidence for exactly how much each and every club has received/spent in transfer revenue is not available to any one person or organisation.As I have said all along the correlation between both is extremely close and no matter how much you want to pretend you know better, you have no evidence that you or anyone else is able to provide which shows otherwise.[/quote] Can you please provide a peer reviewed paper on the critque then, Gruffalo. FYI. The original paper by Szymanski: http://jse.sagepub.com/content/3/2/149.abstract, in the Journal of Sports Economics. [/quote]I thought I already had done? Just for you here it is again http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/12/soccernomics-was-wrong-why-transfer-expenditures-matter/Still waiting for you to provide a link to your evidence from a certain thread that reached over 60 pages. Not that I dispute what you had to say there, it would have just been nice to have seen it in writing, rather than your take on what you found in the accounts.