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[quote] You seriously think that Loza is up to being a striker in the championship ??? Really ???? The suggestion that he can replace Hooper is ludicrous . Like I already said in a post an hour ago ,,, we cannot be sure of finding a suitable replacement in the loan market ,,, keep what we have is the better answer ,, surely ?[/quote] No, reread my post... I said we''ve brought in 3 forwards and also have Loza coming through (who we of course wasn''t an option last season).... so in that regard we have 4 new forwards and if Hooper left then that would only be 2 forwards out. Maybe badly worded, but you could consider one of Grabban/Lafferty/Jerome/Loza as Hoopers replacement. I also said "could say" as well... personally think we wouldn''t *need* to replace (far more important to fill other positions), but if Hooper went and we did replace then I wouldn''t say that was a bad thing (might be hard to keep all our strikers happy though!). In terms of the "keep what we have is the better answer ,, surely" - well we have to be realistic... if Hooper wants to leave and other strikers are already proving their worth (i.e. it''s not like we are missing Hooper at the moment) then we can''t say no to a big bid.... our revenue has decreased quite a bit!! To use your word, it would be ludicrous for a Championship club to turn down say £10m for a player that will likely sit on the bench (and who also has shown he isn''t great in the formation we are currently playing).

[quote user="Robin Hood canary"]To sell hooper, Redmond etc we won''t have time to get in replacements. Regardless of the money we should now hold onto them until at least January?[/quote] Three things: 1) We''ve already brought in 3 forwards and have Loza is coming through, so you could say we''ve already got our Hooper replacement a the club. Maybe even Redmond too with Mcgrandles coming in (though of course Pilks has gone). 2) The club will be planning around this... replacements will already be lined up. 3) We have the loan window in the Champs... so if Redmond does go and we can''t get in a replacement, then we''d likely be able to get a half decent winger on loan from the Premier League.

I''ve seen Whittaker play LB a few times (such as last night) and he seems alright cover for that position. However, I don''t think I''ve ever seen Olsson nor Garrido play RB and Martin is first choice CB, so maybe if anything we need a CB/RB.i.e. we have....LB:OlssonGarridoWhittaker (emergency)RB:WhittakerMartin (but currently 1st choice CB)E Bennett (emergency I guess... done alright here, but not exactly the same as having Whittaker at LB).CB:MartinTurnerR BennettBassong (though out of favor)I guess this is why we are likely to sign Cuellar - he''s a CB that can play at RB.... then we have 3 LB, 3 RB, 4 CB over 7 players 9 (ignoring E Bennet as a RB & Bassong)

Personally thought Bennett was one of our better players against Wolves and was unlucky to be dropped out of everyone that played.Agree though that the Redmond "hate" is a bit over the top, but it''s mainly due to fans frustration since we know how good he can be... at the moment he isn''t getting credit for what he is bringing to the team (i.e. teams are scared of him brilliant at breaking at pace & as such turning defense into attack in an isntant), but to be honest he''s rightly being criticised about his end product (he''s been putting better balls in, but at the end of the day he seems to shoot at stupid times and many of his crosses are wasteful).

[quote user="mrs miggins"]becchio didn''t get much of a chance last season and probably hates this club and not showing ''the right attitude'', it''s got nothing to do with form. How is he supposed to have any form when he''s has hardly played[/quote]Nothing to do with form? By all accounts he was rubbish against the mighty Kings Lynn last month... if a player is struggling to get into the first team for any reason (even if totally unfair), then he needs to be proving himself by playing out of his skin in the reserves... by all accounts Becchio isn''t doing that. He has no right to be automatically picked just because he was half decent a couple of seasons ago.

[quote user="AidanC"]Not to kill the buzz on the pre-game. But! With the recent transfer of Pilkington to Cardiff it came out as he didn''t have an injury even though Adams suggested he had - is this the same with Fer and the QPR transfer. I guess we''ll find out tonight - OTBC.[/quote]I posted this in a different thread that was basically the same i.e. bashing Adams for "lying"..... I personally think Adams has been pretty refreshing in interviews... it hasn''t been the same evasive/stock answers that most football managers use (and what Hughton was often bashed for).... his response to the Kris Commons link was classic - most managers would have said something like "we are looking at a lot of players" rather than just dismissing it. However, due to this his words are now being twisted into "lies"And by "lies", I mean people are interpreting what he''s saying in one specific way and then attributing quotes to that.... it''s snowballing so people are now saying that he said x when he actually said y.For example, from memory he said:- Pilks wasn''t ready/fit, but Pilks on Twitter said he was available... are we to trust Pilks (who has since left) or our manager? I suspect the reality is both are right since fitness isn''t a black and white situation... maybe Adams thought he wasn''t doing enough in training and publicly didn''t want to have a go at Pilks?- He wanted to keep RvW. I don''t think he ever said he wouldn''t leave. Even if he didn''t want to keep RvW, he''s not going to say to the press "RvW is cr@p and are desperate to sell"... if he did that then we wouldn''t exactly be in a position to negotiate the deal we did with St Etienne. - Fer was in the squad for today. There''s no evidence that that wasn''t the case yesterday. The fact he played on Saturday afternoon indicates no fee was agreed at that point... and it obviously wasn''t agreed when he was asked the question. Until he''s sold he''s still a Norwich player and as such should be available. Also maybe him saying Fer was in the squad pushed QPR into action (the rumours have been going around for weeks... maybe this was our way of putting pressure on i.e. "if you want him, make us a proper offer").He''s been accused of lying about all of the above, but I don''t see lies here... maybe he''s not 100% transparent, but if he was he would have been putting the club at risk (i.e. reducing our bargaining power over fees).Personally think some of our fans are being a bit naive about what a multi million pound company will say publicly about multi million pound assets.Maybe everyone would be happy if he said nothing in interviews?

[quote user="Barclay seats 4849 the 3rd"]Given that we have almost another two weeks before the window closes, who else do you think will be on their way ? I don''t want to see Gary Hooper go ,, but have a feeling that after Surman , he will be next . There hasn''t been any talk related to Bechio or Bassong , so those are my predictions .[/quote]It depends on whether clubs are willing to pay what we demand. Our board are showing that we are holding out for big transfer fees and now we''ve got more than we expected for Snoddy & likely Fer, it makes our bargaining position is even more powerful.That said I''d expect someone may come in for Hooper and I''d expect we''d be tempted to sell... Grabban/Lafferty/Redmond attack line looks solid, so don''t think we really "need" Hooper... I''m not convinced Hooper would fit into a system with Wes either (i.e. with Wes we really need to play one up front... and don''t believe Hooper can play that role). If we could get say £7m for Hooper and then spend a couple of million on someone different up front (i.e. a big physical guy like Cameron Jerome for the times we need to hold on at the end of a game etc.) then that would be good business.I''m not to fussed about Surman, but does seem odd that he has gone awol after the first game... more to the story there and suspect he may go.I suspect other assets like Redmond & Ruddy to stay. I''m not sure about the fringe two of Becchio & Bassong as I suspect they are on very big wages for how good they are (i.e. will anyone be willing to match their salary? I doubt it and I expect both players aren''t too bothered about not playing considering they are both on the way down).

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="city4eva"]He didnt keep us hanging on in the summer, he didnt want to come here with the set up that was offered[/quote]   this.. Malky didnt want Adams on his staff... the board did.... [/quote]Evidence for this... or is it all rumours/assumptions?

[quote user="YellowNets1901"]It''s not a case of that, Buh. I''m fully behind Neil, most are, but he has already told a few, for want of a better word, ''lies'' to the media. Pilkington injury, RvW move, Fer medical all things that spring to mind. Media and fans need to be able to trust him and so far he''s told a few porkies.[/quote][quote user="jas the barclay king"]I think if anything it shows Adams'' inexperience and naivety somewhat. its a whole different world speaking on the radio and stating the obvious to what it is being a closely guarded football manager. we need a Mouthpeice... someone on the coaching staff who does the interviews. leaving Adams to work on the football[/quote] I personally think Adams has been pretty refreshing in interviews... it hasn''t been the same evasive/stock answers that most football managers use (and what Hughton was often bashed for).... his response to the Kris Commons link was classic - most managers would have said something like "we are looking at a lot of players" rather than just dismissing it. However, due to this his words are now being twisted into "lies"And by "lies", I mean people are interpreting what he''s saying in one specific way and then attributing quotes to that.... it''s snowballing so people are now saying that he said x when he actually said y.For example, from memory he said:- Pilks wasn''t ready/fit, but Pilks on Twitter said he was available... are we to trust Pilks (who has since left) or our manager? I suspect the reality is both are right since fitness isn''t a black and white situation... maybe Adams thought he wasn''t doing enough in training and publicly didn''t want to have a go at Pilks?- He wanted to keep RvW. I don''t think he ever said he wouldn''t leave. Even if he didn''t want to keep RvW, he''s not going to say to the press "RvW is cr@p and are desperate to sell"... if he did that then we wouldn''t exactly be in a position to negotiate the deal we did with St Etienne. - Fer was in the squad for today. There''s no evidence that that wasn''t the case yesterday. The fact he played on Saturday afternoon indicates no fee was agreed at that point... and it obviously wasn''t agreed when he was asked the question. Until he''s sold he''s still a Norwich player and as such should be available. Also maybe him saying Fer was in the squad pushed QPR into action (the rumours have been going around for weeks... maybe this was our way of putting pressure on i.e. "if you want him, make us a proper offer").He''s been accused of lying about all of the above, but I don''t see lies here... maybe he''s not 100% transparent, but if he was he would have been putting the club at risk (i.e. reducing our bargaining power over fees).Personally think some of our fans are being a bit naive about what a multi million pound company will say publicly about multi million pound assets.Maybe everyone would be happy if he said nothing in interviews?

I''ve seen many comments about the fee for Fer (rumoured between £7m-£10m) to be way too low on here/twitter etc.. I think we paid a fair amount less than this (£4m?), so seems pretty good return considering he didn''t exactly set the Prem alight last season... however, that''s just my opinion and due to the negativity around the rumoured fee, I thought I''d try and find some comparisons. Here''s a few examples of fees for foreign midfielders that joined Prem clubs this summer.- Emre Can joined Liverpool for £9.75m- Fernando joined Man City for £12m- Siem de Jong joined Newcastle for £6m- Remy Cabella joined Newcastle for £12m- Dusan Tadic joined Southampton for £10m All these players were playing for a top tier clubs and have joined an established top tier club in England.They all went between £6m - £12m.Granted the length of contract and age come into play, but so does the financial situation of each club (i.e. we are a 2nd tier club, so we can''t turn down £10m for anyone). However, just looking at this, doesn''t the Fer fee seem pretty good? Why are some of our fans expecting more than this?Personally think people are focussing on the Snodgrass fee way too much - that was an absolute steel from us and even Bruce admited they paid too much.Basically we shouldn''t be comparing the fee to British players (well documented that they are overpriced) nor Strikers (who of course are generally more expensive). If you compare the rumoured fee to the above it seems like a good deal to me.

[quote user="jaemae2"][quote user="Paulo_M"][quote]Im sorry but anyone who thinks that Jerome in and RVW out is good business is crazy, yes we got good money for Ricky but to sell a Dutch International and sign a journeyman cart horse is a sign of where we are progressing added to Fer out and O''Neil in our strong squad is slowly becoming an average one. Lets sell Howson next and bring in Korey Smith and we are doing well[/quote]You do realise that we''ve been relegated right?You also do realise that Jerome has a better scoring record in the Prem than Wolfswinkel?And that he''ll offer something completely different to the rest of our forwards?And by accounts he may be choosing us over Celtic, which considering we''re a Champs club now is quite a coup?[/quote] except playing in Scotland is akin to playing in 7th division England. Even Hooper had success there, that says enough.[/quote] So you''re just going to ignore that all my other points and resort to a really original "Scottish football is rubbish"? How creative!

[quote user="Cheap Cheap Canaries"]Have to agree , signing old over the hill has beens has never been a great gameplan , Jerome is a striker who rarely ever strikes . I  thought with the money we have we would have been trying to tempt the likes of Nick Powell who seems unwanted at Utd . Commons is about the best player we have been linked too and there seems nothing in that one .Squad is begining to look a very ordinary Championship one , i believe this division is where the Board want to be .[/quote]Jerome is a "over the hill has been" at 28?Also Commons/Powell are completely different players to Jerome?

[quote]Im sorry but anyone who thinks that Jerome in and RVW out is good business is crazy, yes we got good money for Ricky but to sell a Dutch International and sign a journeyman cart horse is a sign of where we are progressing added to Fer out and O''Neil in our strong squad is slowly becoming an average one. Lets sell Howson next and bring in Korey Smith and we are doing well[/quote]You do realise that we''ve been relegated right?You also do realise that Jerome has a better scoring record in the Prem than Wolfswinkel?And that he''ll offer something completely different to the rest of our forwards?And by accounts he may be choosing us over Celtic, which considering we''re a Champs club now is quite a coup?

[quote user="CJRV 2014"]1- Not playing Bennett at centre back and Martin RB. 2- Playing that diamond. 3- Building a side and formation around a player who doesnt score or create enough. 4- Playing Surman. 5- Taking the job. Too big for him.[/quote]1. Agreed. Also if Bassong is not going to come back then I feel we need to sign a CB. Martin ain''t the answer.2. Agree to an extent... we were overrun in midfield against wolves, but may work in other games. We shouldn''t just pick one formation ala Hughton and play it no matter what.3. I assume you are either referring to Redmond or Hoolihan, but can''t say after one proper game that we are building a team around anyone.4. Disagree - good at Champs level for us and last season too.5. Totally disagree - did I want Adams? Of course not. Do I blame Adams for taking the job? Of course not... if anyone offered you lots of money for a job you thought you were capable of doing (or maybe even if you thought it was beyond you) in a profession you have a lot of passion for, you simply would not say "no thanks".

People are looking at this way too simplistically. Personally I would love to have at my work someone else at my level or even slightly more senior that I can occasionally bounce ideas off... that doesn''t mean I "need" that person nor am I rubbish at my job since I don''t have that.I''m sure Adams and the board are looking at this in the same way. Royle at the time was available, so having him around was probably viewed as a bonus... now he''s not available, they probably think there''s no-one else like Royle (i.e. who has a lot of history with Adams) and also they don''t really "need" someone.