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  1. [quote user="The Young One"][quote user="mickfoot"]Nasty crap if you ask me, taking the piss out of people with disabilties. The person who made it should get a life, and a girlfriend maybe?[/quote]I think you will find that he was taking the piss out of Ipswichcrazy, the guy who made the video "Norwich City Going To Hell" and he hasn''t got a disability, unless you know otherwise.[/quote]An Ipswich fan that I know believes that he has autism, so yes he does have a disability. Not that this changes anything, the video is still hilarious.
  2. [quote user="Bury Green"] if he doesn’t like it he is perfectly capable of removing his goodies from YouTube.[/quote]That''s not strictly true, he did remove the infamous video about City, but a Norwich fan had ripped it from YouTube and then uploaded it to his own account. IpswichCrazy was begging for its removal. Technically he has had his copyrights breached and would only need to email YouTube to get it removed, but he doesn''t seem to know that.
  3. I think the idea of Huckerby turning out for us in this league is pretty ludicrious. I did watch the Masters, he was probably the best attacking player in the whole thing, but that probably says more about the fitness and motivation of the other players in the tournament..... many of whom are in their early 40''s and haven''t kicked a ball for years!He''s got a dodgy hip remember? That''s why he retired. If you had said maybe he could do a job for a League Two team, by training twice per week like Dublin did for us, and playing every other game or being limited to coming off the bench..... then you might get some support. But the Premier League is the best league in the world, you can''t seriously be suggesting that a couple of hat tricks against teams full of long retired players is enough to suggest that he could play a role for us now? We also have to wonder whether he took an insurance payout for his injury, because if he did, it means no more professional football. It would be great to see him turn out for Lowestoft though.
  4. [quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="nutty nigel"] I am not a member of either. My question to you was a genuine one. Because I see no reason to join the trust unless I donate them my shares. And there''s no chance of that happening. Your reasons to join the trust seem to be all about your reasons not to join ncisa which seems a little odd to me. Out of them all I''m far more likely to join ncisa because as far as I can see they are the only one striving to expand and do things for their members. The others seem happy to jog along as they are, which is fair enough, and the trust want your shares in the aim of getting someone, whose views may be at odds with your own, onto the board. Back in May me and a friend held a canary quiz to raise money for East Anglia''s Children''s Hospices. I invited the fans groups by email from their contacts on the official site. I obviously only inviuted those who may have members local enough to attend. NCISA, FONCY, PUPs, Club Canary x3 all put teams in. Forces canary sent me an email acknowledging the invitation and another nice email to say they couldn''t make it. Capital Canaries, Shareholders Association and Supporters Trust didn''t even bother to answer or acknowledge the invitation. The quiz was a success bBTW and raised £400. All''s well so far but will Pete still love us tomorrow..... [/quote]I have to admit that I assumed that you were an NCISA member. I don''t really have any reasons to join the supporters trust, indeed as you now know I am not a member of either and don''t intend to become a member of either, I actually said:"I''ve grown less and less attracted to NCISA each and every time I see reference to them on here. If anybody wants to support a fan led organization then head over to the supporters trust:"I don''t really have any decent reasons to join, other than that they are clear in their objectives. If I were joining one, it would be the supporters trust, because they have a purpose. You don''t have to donate any of your existing shares to the supporters trust, you pay £10 per year membership, they have 600 members. The cash surplus each year is spent on shares in the club. NCISA on the other hand charge £5 membership, all of which seems to go on running costs. Clearly without knowing their membership statistics, which doesn''t look to have been made public, I wouldn''t really have any comment on that. If the NCISA do lots of great work, have clear objectives, and really are a worthwhile organisation.... then they could do a much better job of communicating that to potential new members. Head over to their website right now, read their empty pages, and then come back and tell me what they are supposed to do and what the point in joining them is. If the supporters trust put a member on the board, one would assume that they would be elected annually by the 600 members, just like the board of the supporters trust are. Each member gets one vote, that is democratic, nobody voting themselves to the board, nobody carrying any more weight than any other. If they got the point where the club agreed to let them elect a member to the board, then one would assume that if the person wasn''t your choice, they were at least the choice of the majority. If you voted Labour in May 2010 you lost out, but you were allowed your vote.[/quote]   You have a very confrontational style of posting Lejuge but I''m sure you don''t mean to be[:)]   I find it strange that you have no desire to have anything to do with either group and yet you care enough to post so many long posts discussing them.   To be fair to ncisa I think there are more social benefits for members than the other groups including the trust. You shouldn''t base your opinions on threads started by members with issues. There''s some really good people involved with them and if I was to join a group they would be the one.   PUPs is a kind of group and has a social side, why not join them. It only takjes a trip to the top of this board every week [Y] [/quote]Well actually the two posts in this thread are my first ever posts about NCISA, maybe I was saving it all up for some big ones?
  5. [quote user="nutty nigel"] I am not a member of either. My question to you was a genuine one. Because I see no reason to join the trust unless I donate them my shares. And there''s no chance of that happening. Your reasons to join the trust seem to be all about your reasons not to join ncisa which seems a little odd to me. Out of them all I''m far more likely to join ncisa because as far as I can see they are the only one striving to expand and do things for their members. The others seem happy to jog along as they are, which is fair enough, and the trust want your shares in the aim of getting someone, whose views may be at odds with your own, onto the board. Back in May me and a friend held a canary quiz to raise money for East Anglia''s Children''s Hospices. I invited the fans groups by email from their contacts on the official site. I obviously only inviuted those who may have members local enough to attend. NCISA, FONCY, PUPs, Club Canary x3 all put teams in. Forces canary sent me an email acknowledging the invitation and another nice email to say they couldn''t make it. Capital Canaries, Shareholders Association and Supporters Trust didn''t even bother to answer or acknowledge the invitation. The quiz was a success bBTW and raised £400. All''s well so far but will Pete still love us tomorrow..... [/quote]I have to admit that I assumed that you were an NCISA member. I don''t really have any reasons to join the supporters trust, indeed as you now know I am not a member of either and don''t intend to become a member of either, I actually said:"I''ve grown less and less attracted to NCISA each and every time I see reference to them on here. If anybody wants to support a fan led organization then head over to the supporters trust:"I don''t really have any decent reasons to join, other than that they are clear in their objectives. If I were joining one, it would be the supporters trust, because they have a purpose. You don''t have to donate any of your existing shares to the supporters trust, you pay £10 per year membership, they have 600 members. The cash surplus each year is spent on shares in the club. NCISA on the other hand charge £5 membership, all of which seems to go on running costs. Clearly without knowing their membership statistics, which doesn''t look to have been made public, I wouldn''t really have any comment on that. If the NCISA do lots of great work, have clear objectives, and really are a worthwhile organisation.... then they could do a much better job of communicating that to potential new members. Head over to their website right now, read their empty pages, and then come back and tell me what they are supposed to do and what the point in joining them is. If the supporters trust put a member on the board, one would assume that they would be elected annually by the 600 members, just like the board of the supporters trust are. Each member gets one vote, that is democratic, nobody voting themselves to the board, nobody carrying any more weight than any other. If they got the point where the club agreed to let them elect a member to the board, then one would assume that if the person wasn''t your choice, they were at least the choice of the majority. If you voted Labour in May 2010 you lost out, but you were allowed your vote.
  6. [quote user="nutty nigel"]LeJuge - What is it about the supporters trust that makes it so attractive to join? I''m seriously interested.  [/quote] My point was more that the NCISA becomes less and less attractive to join, really, rather than that the supporters trust is a particularly attractive proposition, but since you asked: Consistant with their objectivesTheir objectives are clearTheir objectives are communicated clearlyThey get through things without a fuss, with no constant bickeringWe don''t have to put up with their name rammed down our throats all the timeWe don''t have to watch their internal bickering.... because they don''t air their dirty laundry in publicTheir views are well thought out and in line with their members beliefs (contrary to NCISA, where we have always been treated to the opinions of the committee members).I don''t understand why NCISA require a cheque.I don''t understand where that money goes, and how it benefits members or the club. They never sing from the same hymn sheet.I''d rather buy my own shares than buy through the supporters trust, but at least they buy shares for a good reason...... which is to try and get a fan on the board of directors.The trust makes the club a little cash.They produce a comphensive annual report which emphasises all of the above.They have credible well-known people on board.A growing organization (as shown by their financial muscle).You will without a doubt have a go at countering those, feel free, you are more than welcome. But as a non-member of both, I''ve just taken a look at both websites. Assume that I had no knowledge whatsoever of either organization. The ''about'' section of NCISA tells me little more than that it was set up in 1995 following unrest at the club, it doesn''t tell me what it is for now, what is it for now? The short history hasn''t even been updated to say that Tilson has left. I am forced to head to the long ugly constitution to try and find out more...."The Association exists solely as a focal point for supporters of Norwich City Football Club, regardless of their location or ability to attend games, and to negotiate discounts for and provide benefits for its members."So what is the point in the organisation precisely? To provide benefits for members? I don''t want benefits, this doesn''t tell me anything. It exists as a focal point? I can go into any city pub before or after a game and will experience a ''focal point'' for Norwich City. I can''t see any positive objective, or point, to the organization. All I see is tonnes of worthless information about committee members, yet nobody has been told precisely what it is that these committee members do or are supposed to be working for. The group was set up (justifiably) to unite fans against the Chase regime during a difficult period for the club, in fact I can remember standing 10 yards in front of Roy Blower in 95/96 as a kid whilst he ranted and raved against Chase to cheers from a large crowd in a pub close to Carrow Road. That was unity, a common cause. The group now exists with very little unity, very little support from Norwich fans, no common purpose, and seems to exist now to allow a few members to have a good old moan at the club during times when things have never really looked as good. So instead, you all have internal feuds. The once meaningful union-like organization has descended into politics, from Unison to a bearucratic backwoods parish council, counter-productive rather than productive.The major difference between the original NCISA and this new NCISA, a mere shadow of its former self, is that we are now in a time when the vast majority of fans hold shares in the club and can go to an AGM or general meeting and voice their concerns or dissent directly with McNally and Co, and they can unite as shareholders. In 1995 people supported the NCISA because they were desperate for a means to unite against those in the ivory tower, and NCISA were largely successful in doing so. In my honest opinion, and I''m entitled to it just as everybody else is entitled to theirs, the NCISA has become a redundant and pointless set up. The supporters trust is attempting to gain some sort of voice in the best way possible, in the Delia era, which is to build up a significant shareholding in the club. I wouldn''t personally join either, but as an outsider - maybe a young 20 year old City fan for example with little knowledge of either group - if I looked at those two websites and read what the two groups were about, I think it is clear which one is building up a respected voice.
  7. "A lot of amateur moderation going on here, what gives any of you the right to say what anyone should post? You can ignore a whole thread or a specific poster but let them post what they like (as long as its legal). Once anyone is stopped from posting or threads are deleted for less reason than illegality then the point of the message board has gone."This entire thread is about something which actually has been deleted, hence the discussion, seems perfectly reasonable to me. I''m interested in the concept of ''amateur moderation'' though, is that the opposite to ''professional moderation''..... I must have missed the new BSc (Hons) Internet Moderation courses being run at the UEA, is there a Royal Institute of Internet Moderators too? On a more serious note, if we don''t have "the right to say what anyone should post?" then what gives you the right to come on here and do precisely the same thing? You are questioning participation in much the same way, a big dose of irony for us all here, please try and understand how your post may be hypocritical.
  8. [quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="Wings of a Sparrow"]Pete''s getting pissed off with the NCISA bickering.[/quote]He isn''t the only one, but surely it would have been more appropriate to close the thread to reply but leave it there to be read? Wasn''t there a hint towards Archant censorship, if so it is slightly ironic. The NCISA can''t complain though, it won''t cost them a penny to install their own forum, on their own private domain http://www.ncisa.co.uk/. They claim to be an organization independant to the football club, Archant claim to be an organization independant to the football club, both are probably less independant than we would all like, but Archant don''t have to entertain NCISA if they do not wish to. I should imagine that if the NCISA set up their own forum and there were dozens of present and former Archant employees arguing about non-NCISA or direct Norwich City related matters on their board they would be told were to go.I''ve grown less and less attractive to NCISA each and every time I see reference to them on here. If anybody wants to support a fan led organization then head over to the supporters trust: http://www.inthehandsofthefans.co.uk A highly professional and well organized group who clearly prefer to keep their disagreements discrete and behind closed doors, just like they should be, rather than continually committing PR disaster after PR disaster. The biggest of which is probably Mr Tilson, who I know is no longer involved, but really tells the whole story when it comes to seeing how the rot has probably run deep for many years. [/quote]Let me try that again:He isn''t the only one, but surely it would have been more appropriate to close the thread to reply but leave it there to be read? Wasn''t there a hint towards Archant censorship, if so it is slightly ironic. The NCISA can''t complain though, it won''t cost them a penny to install their own forum, on their own private domain http://www.ncisa.co.uk/. They claim to be an organization independant to the football club, Archant claim to be an organization independant to the football club, both are probably less independant than we would all like, but Archant don''t have to entertain NCISA if they do not wish to. I should imagine that if the NCISA set up their own forum and there were dozens of present and former Archant employees arguing about non-NCISA or direct Norwich City related matters on their board they would be told where to go.I''ve grown less and less attracted to NCISA each and every time I see reference to them on here. If anybody wants to support a fan led organization then head over to the supporters trust: http://www.inthehandsofthefans.co.uk A highly professional and well organized group who clearly prefer to keep their disagreements discrete and behind closed doors, just like they should be, rather than continually committing PR disaster after PR disaster. The biggest of which is probably Mr Tilson, who I know is no longer involved, but really tells the whole story when it comes to seeing how the rot has probably run deep for many years.
  9. [quote user="Wings of a Sparrow"]Pete''s getting pissed off with the NCISA bickering.[/quote]He isn''t the only one, but surely it would have been more appropriate to close the thread to reply but leave it there to be read? Wasn''t there a hint towards Archant censorship, if so it is slightly ironic. The NCISA can''t complain though, it won''t cost them a penny to install their own forum, on their own private domain http://www.ncisa.co.uk/. They claim to be an organization independant to the football club, Archant claim to be an organization independant to the football club, both are probably less independant than we would all like, but Archant don''t have to entertain NCISA if they do not wish to. I should imagine that if the NCISA set up their own forum and there were dozens of present and former Archant employees arguing about non-NCISA or direct Norwich City related matters on their board they would be told were to go.I''ve grown less and less attractive to NCISA each and every time I see reference to them on here. If anybody wants to support a fan led organization then head over to the supporters trust: http://www.inthehandsofthefans.co.uk A highly professional and well organized group who clearly prefer to keep their disagreements discrete and behind closed doors, just like they should be, rather than continually committing PR disaster after PR disaster. The biggest of which is probably Mr Tilson, who I know is no longer involved, but really tells the whole story when it comes to seeing how the rot has probably run deep for many years.
  10. [quote user="andyc24_uk"]I seem to recall that Beckham''s deal with LA included a provision for him to take an ownership stake in the club and some kind of coaching/management role once he retires as well... MLS is slowly becoming a more respectable and competitive league, it''s probably on a par with some of the European leagues these days, so I doubt Beckham would come back over here, unless it''s for a loan deal. With the three over-age players for the GB Olympic team - One of them will surely be Ryan Giggs? I''d guess Giggs, Beckham and another - probably a Scottish or NI player?[/quote]The deal stipulated that at the end of the 5 year deal he had the right to buy an MLS franchise, but your talking about tens of millions, probably £50m plus for the very smallest of clubs (such as San Jose). He doesn''t get anything free, just the right to buy a franchise if one happens to be for sale. If Giggs continues in football past this year then I very much doubt that Ferguson would be happy about a 38 year old playing all that football between 25th July - 11st August, he''d need a big break afterwards!  It would silly in my opinion to invite Beckham or Giggs. The clubs have to grant permission by the way, for the player to participate, the player can''t over rule it if they are under contract. Really can''t imagine Ferguson letting Giggs play that much footy on the eve of the next campaign.A lot of clubs don''t even take three over aged players, Argentina won gold in 2008 and only took Riquelme, Brazil won bronze and only took Ronaldinho. Every time we have a major tournament we name a provisional squad, e.g. 30, then end up taking what... 22 or 23? Maybe due to say a couple of injurys. There are always 3 or 4 highly gutted players who just about miss out. I can''t see Beckham making that 30, so why should he go? If somebody like Joe Cole wants to play, I''d rather see him there. Assuming that Scotland and Wales don''t qualify for the European Championship, then surely our Scottish player should be somebody like Darren Fletcher or Kenny Miller, our Welsh player should be somebody like Craig Bellamy or Robert Earnshaw, and our English player should be the best of the bunch to miss out on our Euro squad, perhaps somebody like Robert Green or Joe Cole?I personally think that you should pick the best available if they want to play. A 38 year old, fast waning, Ryan Giggs who won''t be able to play every 90 minutes, a 36 year old former England captain who probably can''t cut it in the Premiership, has no pace, and is clinging on to a dream that he should have ditched years ago? I''d honestly pick Bellamy, Cole, and Fletcher, if they all want to play.
  11. [quote user="pete_norw"][quote user="Lincs CR"]I can''t believe people are even discussing how/when he would sign for them. He has on countless occasions rejected approaches from much bigger Premiership clubs than QPR. Lets face it, money is of no importance for the bloke so if he does join another side after his MLS career it sure as hell won''t be someone like QPR[/quote] Perhaps QPR Fans should look at past media on him stateing he will never play against Man utd and I think that includes any Premier league club, and as already stated, this guy don''t need the money, in fact he''s got enough to buy QPR himself,    [/quote]They can look at it, but they can subsequently ignore it too. David Beckham has already played against Man Utd, about a year ago in fact, in the Champions League with AC Milan. For Lincs CR, here is a quote by Beckham, just after his period training with Spurs was over:"My objective was not to play for a Premier League team, and I am grateful to Spurs and Harry for how they looked after me.If there was an option to play then I would have taken it, but without doubt I wanted to go somewhere and train and not take the three months off and sit around doing nothing."
  12. [quote user="Lincs CR"]I can''t believe people are even discussing how/when he would sign for them. He has on countless occasions rejected approaches from much bigger Premiership clubs than QPR. Lets face it, money is of no importance for the bloke so if he does join another side after his MLS career it sure as hell won''t be someone like QPR[/quote]I can''t believe that you don''t think that money is of no importance to a man who signed a 5 year deal to play for LA Galaxy on $6.5m a year, equivalent to £4m per year, whilst also retaining a huge proportion of his image rights, managed by his own company called Beckham Brand Ltd..... which posted record profits in his first year at LA Galaxy. David and Victoria Beckham are right up there with the most materialistic celebrities in the world, are obsessed with their huge fleet of luxury cars, have a massive global property empire, and take pretty much every promotional job that they are offered. It''s a little like saying that Sir Alan Sugar should be made a saint for his selfless lifetime devotion to curing the sick and feeding the poor in the third world. Your wrong anyway, Beckham was desperate for his move to Spurs, they agreed a deal in January 2011, and it fell through because there were complications over insurance (you know, that insurance policy which insures his legs and feet for $70m, just in case he decides to care about money again?).
  13. If Beckham is so bothered about International football, which he clearly is, then one has to ask why he decided to fly to the other side of the world to play in a mickey mouse league which has long been considered the place that once great players fly to have a couple more years of enjoyable football before hanging up their boots. Most big names who move there from Europe or South America normally retire from International football at the same time. He began to look like a shadow of his former self within a year of moving there. Your either a celebrity and fashion icon, or your a serious professional footballer, he tried to be both.
  14. [quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="Gingerpele"]To get in the Olympics squad, he would actually be better of staying at LA Galaxy, because he''s not going to be that good in the premiership, and that will put whoever is in charge off picking him. He might not get seen live in LA, but every game is available to watch nowadays anyway, so i''m sure if they want Beckham in the squad, they just need to watch a few games on the TV.[/quote]The MLS season finishes in mid-late November, and the next one starts in March. So he will get more football by signing for QPR in January than he would signing a new deal with LA Galaxy, he''d have three and a half months with no football rather than six weeks. My point is that QPR could effectively sign him in November (but as you point out, not play him)..... if he stays at LA Galaxy, I think we would stuggle to get any LA Galaxy games on TV between mid-November and mid-March mate. Unless of course LA Galaxy agree to loan him out again for a couple of months, like they did when he joined AC Milan, but one would expect their to be much more competition for a low risk short term deal, and that QPR would then miss out. I suspect that somebody like Villa or Spurs would take a punt on him if it is a loan deal. [/quote]The Olympics also falls in the middle of the MLS season, so far less than ideal.
  15. [quote user="Gingerpele"]To get in the Olympics squad, he would actually be better of staying at LA Galaxy, because he''s not going to be that good in the premiership, and that will put whoever is in charge off picking him. He might not get seen live in LA, but every game is available to watch nowadays anyway, so i''m sure if they want Beckham in the squad, they just need to watch a few games on the TV.[/quote]The MLS season finishes in mid-late November, and the next one starts in March. So he will get more football by signing for QPR in January than he would signing a new deal with LA Galaxy, he''d have three and a half months with no football rather than six weeks. My point is that QPR could effectively sign him in November (but as you point out, not play him)..... if he stays at LA Galaxy, I think we would stuggle to get any LA Galaxy games on TV between mid-November and mid-March mate. Unless of course LA Galaxy agree to loan him out again for a couple of months, like they did when he joined AC Milan, but one would expect their to be much more competition for a low risk short term deal, and that QPR would then miss out. I suspect that somebody like Villa or Spurs would take a punt on him if it is a loan deal.
  16. [quote user="Gingerpele"]He still wouldn''t be able to play until January LeJudge, as you can''t add players to the 25 man squad outside of the transfer windows.[/quote]Indeed, your quite correct, I''m still stuck in Championship mode I think..... that applies there, he could sign for a Championship team and play in November. Could QPR then technically sign him in November, and loan him out to a Championship club? I guess the three club rule applies then, but is that a UEFA or FIFA law? Because if its UEFA, then LA Galaxy may not count. I still think that Beckham is past it and largely ineffective. He''s a one trick pony like Delap. One can deliver good set pieces, the other can deliver long throws, but sometimes it isn''t worth having them on the pitch because they can''t do much else.
  17. [quote user="Gingerpele"]Capello isn''t in charge of the Olympic team is he? Thought it was going to be Stuart Pearce? Capello won''t even be England manager then will he, thought he was leaving immediately after Euro 2012, which is before the Olympics.[/quote]Same applies. In fact Stuart Pearce is probably more likely to turn up to games than Capello, as we all know. Beckham probably has a good chance of making that squad, possibly. We can pick three players over 23, and no English club is going to let any World Cup player play two tournaments in a row. I doubt it is justified though, I bet there will be better players left out of the World Cup squad. It would be pretty damn cool to see Beckham, Joe Cole, and Owen, as the three players though.... give them all a swansong..... or perhaps even a Paul Scholes cameo?
  18. [quote user="Gingerpele"]For a start, he won''t be able to sign until January (obviously), secondly i don''t think he would want to join QPR, Becks is probably at the stage of his career where money really doesn''t matter. I think i''m right in saying he and his family plan on staying out in LA long term, so moving back over to England to play for a rubbish QPR probably isn''t top of his priorities.[/quote]Technically the MLS season finishes in November, there will be no football for Beckham after that date. If after the final game of the season he isn''t signing for LA, they could easily release him a little early from his deal. My understanding is that you can sign a free agent at pretty much any time, if no other club holds their registration then you can sign them. Whenever the loan window opens, that is when the free agent window opens too. So QPR could well sign him in November.
  19. [quote user="Gingerpele"]For a start, he won''t be able to sign until January (obviously), secondly i don''t think he would want to join QPR, Becks is probably at the stage of his career where money really doesn''t matter. I think i''m right in saying he and his family plan on staying out in LA long term, so moving back over to England to play for a rubbish QPR probably isn''t top of his priorities.[/quote]His wants to play in the Olympic team though, and he is more likely to get watched by Capello if hes turning up at grounds in this country. Personally I think he well past his sell by date, too old and slow for the Premier League, and should play at a realistic level or retire. Plus, if I had a pound for every time I saw Beckham linked to a club in the past 3 years I''d probably have £200 in pound coins..... last year his move to Spurs was supposed to be a done deal, wasn''t it?
  20. [quote user="swindoncanary"]Get along to Non-League Day Today there will be more than half-a-million fans without a game to watch because of internationals. “Non-League Day” urges fans to explore their local clubs, providing a much needed financial boost to grassroots football. The idea of Non-League Day  is for supporters without a game, to attend a Non-League match. If you miss your footy fix, go to a Non-League game today, it''s free to season ticket holder of league clubs. [/quote]Doesn''t letting season ticket holders of other clubs in for free kinda defeat the object? I know that it is intended to try and win these clubs a few new fans who might come back and pay a few quid to see another game or two, but if I turn up to Kings Lynn for the first time ever with my Norwich season ticket, then how are regular Kings Lynn casuals or indeed Kings Lynn season ticket holders supposed to react to that? If I lived in Kings Lynn, for example, and turned up with my usual £10 ticket..... and then found out that everybody around me was on a freebie.... I''d be wanting my tenner back. Surely a stronger message would be sent by encouraging people to turn up at the door and pay a tenner to watch a game of football, thus supporting these clubs financially? 
  21. [quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="LeJuge"]And indeed, it is worth pointing out that the London born Steve Morison, who is a whole one-eighth Welsh, will want to score against Wales too. That doesn''t mean that he hates England, but he probably does want them to lose. [/quote]Sounds good - I''d take an England 1-0 win (Morison O.G.)[/quote]LOL, fair play.
  22. [quote user="Arthur Whittle"]But you think you have a right to call my nephews halfwits? Do you know them? Where do you live? England? Do you earn a living here? Does the country put a roof over your head and feed your family? You do not have to support it but for people to wish their home nation to lose in any scenario is silly and hypocritical.[/quote]I don''t know how to drill this into your thick head, but perhaps saying the same thing for the third time will work... NOBODY HAS SAID THAT THEY WANT ENGLAND TO LOSE.And yes I do bloody live and work here, I was born here, have lived in England for my entire life. I hold a British passport, one side of my family is English, the other is Irish with a bit of Welsh, where is it that you think I am entitled to rights to a home and to food? Please remember that we live in the United Kingdom, there is effectively no such thing as the country of England anymore. The passport that you hold looks identical to the passport held by those who live in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. I''ve never wanted England to lose, I''ve never said that I want England to lose, but I still want Steve Morison to crack one into the top corner from 30 yards. Any further clarification that you want?
  23. [quote user="LeJuge"][quote user="hogesar"]Ignore him Arthur.Unfortunately there are too many on this forum who look for any small given opportunity to have a pop. It''s the mentality of all forums. Not a big enough person to have a pop at anyone in the real world, makes them more eager to do it at times like this. Rise above it, mate.As an aside, agree with the fundamental of what you said. I''ve argued on this forum before about ENGLISH people (take note, LeJudgeJudy or whatever your name is) `hoping England lose because they''re a bunch of overpaid tossers`. That in my opinion, completely misses the point about International football. It''s not about the players personality''s, how many women they sleep with. You can pretend all you like but the same stuff went on in the past it just wasn''t so publicised. Some of the England squad i agree, i dislike them but if they pull on the England Shirt then they have my support.No interest in International Football? That''s fair enough - but hoping England lose? Just trying to wind up the few left in this country that have a small sense of pride.Oh and screw you guys, cause WE won 3-0 tonight [:)] [/quote]Nobody on this thread has said that they hope England lose, nobody has said that they hate England either, only that they hope Morison scores. Watching from an entirely nuetral perspective, I would be just happy if Morison scores in a 3-1 England win as I would a 1-0 Wales win.I haven''t missed the point about International football, I consider myself to be Irish-British. The alternative being perhaps Irish-English. Therefore I semi-support Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, and despite my personal belief that it shouldn''t exist as an independant entity, Northern Ireland. I hope that Steve Morison scores a belter, and that Andrew Crofts plays a blinder. Just like I would want Grant Holt to score if he played for England, Wes Hoolahan to score against England if he played them, and in fact take great pleasure in seeing any Norwich player doing fantastically well in any International game. [/quote]And indeed, it is worth pointing out that the London born Steve Morison, who is a whole one-eighth Welsh, will want to score against Wales too. That doesn''t mean that he hates England, but he probably does want them to lose.
  24. [quote user="hogesar"]Ignore him Arthur.Unfortunately there are too many on this forum who look for any small given opportunity to have a pop. It''s the mentality of all forums. Not a big enough person to have a pop at anyone in the real world, makes them more eager to do it at times like this. Rise above it, mate.As an aside, agree with the fundamental of what you said. I''ve argued on this forum before about ENGLISH people (take note, LeJudgeJudy or whatever your name is) `hoping England lose because they''re a bunch of overpaid tossers`. That in my opinion, completely misses the point about International football. It''s not about the players personality''s, how many women they sleep with. You can pretend all you like but the same stuff went on in the past it just wasn''t so publicised. Some of the England squad i agree, i dislike them but if they pull on the England Shirt then they have my support.No interest in International Football? That''s fair enough - but hoping England lose? Just trying to wind up the few left in this country that have a small sense of pride.Oh and screw you guys, cause WE won 3-0 tonight [:)] [/quote]Nobody on this thread has said that they hope England lose, nobody has said that they hate England either, only that they hope Morison scores. Watching from an entirely nuetral perspective, I would be just happy if Morison scores in a 3-1 England win as I would a 1-0 Wales win.I haven''t missed the point about International football, I consider myself to be Irish-British. The alternative being perhaps Irish-English. Therefore I semi-support Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, and despite my personal belief that it shouldn''t exist as an independant entity, Northern Ireland. I hope that Steve Morison scores a belter, and that Andrew Crofts plays a blinder. Just like I would want Grant Holt to score if he played for England, Wes Hoolahan to score against England if he played them, and in fact take great pleasure in seeing any Norwich player doing fantastically well in any International game.
  25. [quote user="Arthur Whittle"]I couldn''t give a flying dogs shite if you were purple and from mars, and i would be careful with the accusation, that''s ask the two who hate England where they are born first.[/quote]I haven''t seen anybody who hates England, care to point them out to me?What accussation? The fact that you vote BNP? I''ve read it on here before, just located it, and saved as an offline page. Is that careful enough? Feel free to send me that England shirt, I''ll put it with an Ipswich shirt, set them both on fire, and then pee on them to put out the flames. Not the slightest bit interested in them. I consider myself to be Irish-British, dual nationality, have two passports, and am proud of both my Irish and British heritage. Probably because I am not religious. I am a Norwich City fan, on a Norwich City forum. Steve Morison is playing England soon, I support him as a Norwich player, and hope that he rockets one into the top corner from 30 yards leaving the likes of Terry speechless. I''ll happily jump up and down and celebrate in any pub in Norwich.
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