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Of course we’re allowed to like to different things but to claim that “Norwich must surely have the worst record at getting success from loan players” is completely wrong. I’m not claiming that Russ Martin was a reincarnation of Dani Alves, but without out doubt he was a successful loan. I agree Gibson has been poor this season but as a Championship loan player he was outstanding. As you said, Gunn and Reed were both above average players at the time. Whilst it’s difficult to laud players in an altogether average season, I definitely wouldn’t class either of them as failures. Gunn must’ve been virtually ever present and delivered some top performances, Reed also delivered some top notch performances and if I remember correctly he successfully filled in in several different positions throughout the season. It’s unfair to rate an individual player purely based on where the the team ended up at the end of the season. Rhodes was kept out of the team by a free scoring Pukki, I’m not claiming he’s Lewandowski and I’m not even saying we should’ve signed him permanently, but without doubt his loan served the purpose in a Championship winning season. As for Harry Kane, I’m pretty sure he also had unsuccessful loans at Leicester and Millwall following his brief spell with us? Ultimately taking youngsters on loan who haven’t played real first team football will always be high risk in terms of success. He joined us at a time when he was still just a raw talent, he wasn’t England captain or a proven PL forward at the time. You win some you lose some. For every Billy Gilmour you might find an Oli Skipp, for every Duda you might get a Lansbury.

You said Norwich must surely have the worst record of getting success from loan players… Russ Martin joined us on loan from Peterborough whilst we were in League 1, he went on to gain successive promotions to the Premier League, spent 3 successive seasons in the Premier League, lifted the play off trophy at Wembley, captained the club…. the fact you only consider him a “degree” of a success says it all… Ched Evans and Leroy Litas goals were vital in keeping us in the Championship. Angus Gunn and Reed both played vital roles in Farkes first season. Kyle Naughton was a vital part of our defence thar see us comfortably survive in the PL under Lambert. Gibson and Dimi were outstanding last season, comfortably 2 of the best defenders in the Championship. Jordan Rhodes played 36 games in the wonderful first promotion under Farke. Just because these players haven’t turned into club legends like Huckerby doesn’t mean their loans were unsuccessful….

You’ve obviously got a short memory! We’ve benefited massively from the loan market over recent years… Skipp, Gibson, Dimi, Rhodes, Harrison Reed, Gunn, Leitner, Dijks, Lita, Bertrand, Ched Evans, Fraser Forster, Russ Martin, Naughton…. Just to name a few….

The latest from the Deano’s Burnley press conference… “I don’t know how the fans are feeling, as I don’t phone them up or look at social media” How did we end up with this numpty?

Jesus wept, that man isn’t wearing a mask in the concourse… Don’t panic sir he’s got a coffee in his hand. Oh my god, he’s walking towards his seat without a mask… Few, he’s sat down.. we’re safe.

I entered a petrol station maskless on the English side of the Welsh border 3 weeks ago - completely normal. 10 minutes later I entered a supermarket maskless on the Welsh side of the English border - I thought I’d grown an extra head, for some unknown reason everyone was still acting as if we were midst of a global pandemic. I heard on BBC news that masks didn’t work at the beginning of the pandemic… it must be true?

Bang your saucepans for the Covid Marshall’s

Shambles from the club. Covid Marshalls should be 18 at the very least - but preferably middle aged balding men with excessive facial hair, a yellow arm band, and the minerals to pick on old ladies with handbags. Can’t believe the club put my life in the hands of a spotty clipboard wielding 16 year old.

I arrived early and every single person was being checked on their way through… I would guess they were probably getting close to the 25% quota within the first 30 or so minutes….

My apologies Greavsy. Almost as criminal as the bloke who didn’t put a mask on to walk through the turnstile.

The people saying how “unsafe” it was? It seriously shows how deluded people have become… I put on a mask to walk through the turnstile and proceeded to take it straight off to consume my usual pre-match pie and pint. I then put my mask on to take the short walk to my seat, and proceeded to take it off whilst huddled in amongst thousands of people. Just imagine the sense of security we all could have had if everyone put a piece of cloth over there mouth to walk from the concourse to their seats. As I said in my first post… people make me laugh.

Some people make me laugh… ”Ooohhhh I felt so unsafe” God forbid people not wearing a mask in the concourse… yet it’s fine for people to remove there mask in the very same concourse to consume food/drink, and you’re happy to sit shoulder to shoulder with exact same unmasked people to watch the game? God forbid someone’s vaccination status was not checked prior to entry.. yet you were all happy to attend a game 12 days ago with no mandatory checks in place? Like it or not attending a full capacity football match will always be a “high risk” event no matter what precautions are put into place, and checking people have been “fully vaccinated” will not stop the spread of covid at such events. If you’re that scared then stay at home.

Now our youth development is seemingly flying It’s easy to criticise previous managers for not giving our academy players a chance, but perhaps the academy simply wasn’t producing players who were good enough? Farke is now benefiting from work done in previous regimes, we gained ‘Category 1’ status in 2013 with the goal being to start producing players who are good enough for the first team. Lewis arrived in 2014, Aarons 16, Godfrey 16, Maddison 16, Thompson 14... I’ll give Farke the upmost credit for giving academy players there chance and getting consistent performances out of them... but I’m not sure you can criticise previous managers for not taking a similar route...

[quote user="paul moy"][quote user="STAN"]How have we have fallen this far in under a year and half? We sacked Alex Neil for failing to achieve promotion to the premier league, lingering around the playoffs simply wasn’t good enough. Along came golden boy Webber and what exactly has he delivered for us? Forget all this philosophy bo**cks, If he had appointed the right manager at the start of last season and made a couple of decent signings, we would’ve had a squad/setup that was more than capable of achieving promotion. Webber signed the players, Webber brought in the coach. As frustrated as I am with Farke, Stuart is just as culpable![/quote]Neil frittered away money, so no comparison. Farke had to sell Maddison amongst others to balance the books and has worked with peanuts. [/quote] Much like Neil had to sell Redmond, Brady and Olsson amongst others... Whilst Webber/Farke might not have made an 8 Million marquee Championship signing such as Pritchard they’ve definitely been working with more than “just peanuts”. A reported... 3 mill on Franke, 3.5 mill on Hanley, 1.5 mill on Husband, 2.5 mill on Hernandez, 1.5 mill on Stiepermann, 1.5 mill on Srbeny, 750k on Vrancic, 1 mill on Leitner, 1.5 mill on Marshall, 1.5 mill on Buendia..... To put things in to perspective Millwall are now on the brink of completing a record breaking deal.. there first ever 1 million pound signing. Last season at Cardiff Warnock spent around 10 mill on 4 players, only 5 mill on 3 players in the summer and then 5 mill on a striker in January. It’s time for Webber and Farke to stop making excuses.

How have we have fallen this far in under a year and half? We sacked Alex Neil for failing to achieve promotion to the premier league, lingering around the playoffs simply wasn’t good enough. Along came golden boy Webber and what exactly has he delivered for us? Forget all this philosophy bo**cks, If he had appointed the right manager at the start of last season and made a couple of decent signings, we would’ve had a squad/setup that was more than capable of achieving promotion. Webber signed the players, Webber brought in the coach. As frustrated as I am with Farke, Stuart is just as culpable!