Rich T The Biscuit

Agree but also lacks pace though so when he pushes on (which I think he does well) , he really struggles to get back. Long throw is dangerous too.

What still amazes me is that people still believe that he "kicked out" 🤷🏻‍♂️

Thank god it wasn't on Bruno, they'd have had to call and Air Ambulance and Sainz would in front of the judge on an assault charge 😬

Agree, he's spun around holding the leg that Howson has just studded, it's the spin (bit of play acting) that then catches Howson, not a violent act

It's that image that gets Sainz off his red card

Still not a red, after Howson has cheated Sainz's legs are still not straight until after Howson has moved on.

Along come nodge.... probably the easiest 3 points Rotherham will get all season 😆

That's a bit of a stretch, he's not kicked out or even thrust his leg forward. Yes he could have probably placed his legs differently but his legs remained the same position for the whole movement so never a red! It's barely a yellow let alone a red, what it is is really poor from Howson who got a fellow pro sent off for what was the tiniest of touches.

We'll scrape in to the 6th spot, the binners will finish 3rd, we'll beat them over 2 legs, although will probably be over after the first leg and then we'll win the final again. I'm sure I saw a binner lurking on this thread 😉

Agree, and he's not able to do that kind of stuff on the edge of our 18 yard box sitting between our CB's, which is the point I was making about him being too deep. It's playing in the hole in front of the CB's where he is most effective when he's playing in midfield rather than CB.

Errant nonsense, get you with the big words. Guess we all see things differently but having a midfield player in between the CB's in unnecessary and causes us problems and didn't work so well on Saturday did it. Wagner wants him on the ball and it's so obvious and makes our game style easy to counter against, playing in the hole in front of the back 4 does add value but he can't do that as his speed of play isn't good enough for tight spaces. He likes time and space to try and influence the game and that's not errant nonsense, more actual fact.

I'm sure it does outweigh. As for Stacey and Hanley, poor defending but at least they tried to win the ball, that can't be said for McLean. As I said before some will never see his faults and had that been Stacey or others there would be plenty on here hammering him for not trying to do something. People can't have it all ways

Guess in the same way that some will never "see" or admit to him having faults. Didn't say it wasn't a tactic, although it's less of a tactic when McLean plays as CB, which I've already said he's better suited to. As for the goal, great, let's avoid giving King Kenny any kind of blame as it's everyone else's fault before it got to him, just a shame that he had the ability to try and do something but decided ducking was the best defensive option available to him in front of goal.

Love a stat 😬 Do you think that him playing centre midfield as opposed to centre back is better for the team? Because of the way in which we now play and everything going through him, him dropping so deep every time is a problem for us, we lose shape, we become exposed and we sit far deeper than we need to. Maybe Nunez does give it away as much, but less likely to be areas that will hurt us as much as if McLean does because of how deep he sits. He had a part to play in the goal we conceded, thought at the time he ducked away from the header that went in so watched it again today and he does. Why drop to the knee, he should be making himself big and try and get something on it, if it then goes in via a deflection then so be it.

I thought fitness was a big thing for Wagner. Are they overdoing it and that's the cause of injuries, you can do too much as much as you can do not enough.

Which makes us very deep and exposes gaps for other teams to use. With a CB who can pass there is no need for him or Nunez go drop so deep, there are times when he is deeper than the CB's which maybe isn't a problem if both full backs push on but there are times when they don't so we end up with 5 at the back for no reason.

100% agree with all of this.

He probably will win it as he's one of those players that is busy and fans love that. In the first 5 mins yesterday he gave the ball away 4 times and kicked it out of play with a simple pass. He drops so deep as a midfield player we lose shape and expose the gaps in the formation, he's doing a job that a centre half should do. He's a weird one we a midfield player, he's certainly not a defensively minded midfielder as he can't tackle so centre back is his best position but he needs to play there with a centre back who has pace as McLean has none and can tackle as McLean can't.

Yesterday was a classic example of trying to show horn him into the team. Our best central midfield pairing is Nunez and Sara and yesterday we were far to deep as a team, he naturally wants to go deep to get the ball and that affects our shape. As a CB we play much further forward and play through the lines far quicker. He's either. CB or not in the starting 11 (for me) but I suspect with Nunez now injured he becomes Sara's partner. Which now exposes us in a different way.

Guessing Redmond is in there somewhere?

When will you drop the points thing. All you need to say in Premier League Vs Championship, I mean you did get promoted in October after all 😉

Different people have different views, if the same people said both then clearly they're only here for a wind up. Although all of those can be true and false depending on which angle you come from. Webber was a great DOF but then lost his way and therefore left not looking that great Owners have been amazing for the club but like Webber have stayed too long and have helped drag this club down. We do have one of the best squads, but not playing to their best so some will think they are poor etc etc

That's why I said on paper, if we take Ipswich as the example they are doing what we did, team spirit, consistent approach and a bit of luck on the way, they seem to have that feeling about their season. Agree it's a worse squad, but still should be good enough. If you don't have the players to play the style you want, you either get the players in who can...or change the style. I'm not a McLean fan in midfield, think we get more from him and a better balance with him as a luxury centre half. Today he was pushed back in to midfield and was poor again, gave the ball away cheaply and kicked it out of play twice in the first 5 mins and add to that ducking out of the way for their goal.

Who said that, I certainly didn't. My point is that this squad should be in the Top 6 comfortably, at the moment it's by no means guaranteed we'll finish the season there and that will be a failure for the club.

Don't disagree but this squad is better (on paper) than Ipswich, Hull and West Brom, or at least should be.