Norwich or die tryin!

And there''s how being tactically aware and making the right changes can gain you a point or more from the jaws of defeat.

He actually changed the formation from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 something that Hughton simply can not comprehend.

And now 2-2 see what i was saying.

Great example here from Lambert of what Hughton is not capable of. 2-0 down away Lambert makes a triple change early in the 2nd half goes 3-4-3 throws on two strikers and Villa instantly improve get a goal back and now hunting an equaliser. You never see that from the usless Hughton, does the guy actually know anything about tactics?

Let''s sack this tactically inept muppet now.

Are all of Hughton''s tactical misgivings over the last 50 or so games really forgiven for a good 45 minutes at home to WestHam?

No, the reasons why Hughton is not good enough to be NCFC manager go far deeper than two up front different tactics etc.

[quote user="bjornagain"]I have read some threads on here and I get the general feeling you all want him gone? but have I got that wrong.. what is the main overall feeling on Hughton, do you want him gone?personally and I must add I don''t speak for all Birmingham fans, But I never rated the guy.  He signed some horrendous players on loan for us, Peter Ramage being one, another Adam Rooney and there''s more.  We played some Horrible football, worse now I grant you but under Hughton there was no conviction in the play.  We''d basically go through motions in most matches and you couldn''t really put your finger on specific reasons why we bottled it in Europe and then the play offs.   Some Birmingham fans will say he did a wonderful job.  I would argue that although he lost around 4 or 5 Premiership players in that first summer, the squad was basically the same and but for a few personnel he had a squad easily capable of at least reaching the play offs and thats what he did.    For some unexplained reason the media fall over themselves for quiet Chris, I myself see him for what he''s been all his career, a professional ordinary player who has carried this trait into being very ordinary manager.thoughts?[/quote]Yep, spot on. Agree with it all. To be fair to Hughton his transfers have been reasonable for us but every other aspect of his management is nowhere near Prem standard. Can''t wait for the muppet to be sacked personally.

[quote user="First Wizard"]Hear me out guys.   A win would no doubt save Hughton''s job, thus giving him permission to muck it all up for the next 8 games or so. Its a tricky situation for the board to be in, act now and avoid that scenario or stumble on, as in the Worthy days, and still let the wound fester resulting certain relegation   He has to go right now.[:@] [/quote]I actually make you spot on on this one Wiz  [Y]

[quote user="Jim Smith"]I suspect that for most of us in the Hughton out camp the belief is borne more from watching him and us over the course of his reign and the general feel that he is not quite up to it but what were the particular moments for you when the doubts started to creep in and/or the realisation started to hit home. For me there are many but ones that particularly spring to mind are: Reading (a) - first doubts emerge in my mind as i watch us going through the motions and playing out a bore draw against a woeful side who were there for the taking. Portrayed afterwards as a useful point which formed part of our unbeaten run (and in the context of what had gone before i can see why) but in reality it was a sign of what was to come in terms of approaches to away games against weaker teams. WBA (a) - real alarm bells start to ring. Despite being in good form and playing well for the first 35 minutes we are hauled back by an unlucky goal just before half time. In the second half, one manager persists with his lone striker system and is reluctant to make changes. Clarke realises we are posing them absolutely no threat up front and playing with little ambition and takes off defensive players ending up with 3 strikers. His positivity is rewarded with 3 points, our unbeaten run ends and from that point the slide begins. Wigan (a) - 6 pointed v a relegation rival. Second half we show zero ambition and seem determined to play for a point. We deservedly lose. Despite this Hughton to his credit keeps us up. My attitude going into this season is that maybe the style of play was a means to an end and things will be different now he has been able to buy his own attacking players. I therefore resolve to give him a couple of months to see if there is any discernable difference in his approach: Spurs (a) - oh dear. Up there with any of the shocking away displays from last season, in fact if anything worse as we back off, surrender space and possession and generally hand them the game on a plate. My resolve to give Hughton the benefit of the doubt has now gone. Arsenal (a) - that Tettey substitution. Possibly the worst tactical substitution I have ever seen (after 20 minutes debate with Trollope and the i-pad) and further evidence of a manager who does not know how to change/influence/read games floundering for the right move knowing they are under increasing pressure. Man City (a) - for the first time in 20 plus years I did not want to watch our game at all. I heard we were 4 nil down at half time and then heard the final score and was not in the slightest but surprised on either occasion. I am sure there are many others. I am sure also that people will have incidents of Hughton''s genius to counter the above and demonstrate clearly why he is the man for the job but this is a thread for the misers amongst us to share our angst! PS Interesting reading the Brum fan thread below and the reference to the Birmingham v Blackpool playoff games. i also watched that second leg at Blackpool expecting it to be a great game but thought Birmingham were completely clueless and had no idea how to win that game. Never came to mind before but the mention below has reminded me of it.[/quote]Fulham away

Cya Chris.

[quote user="Dr Crafty Canary"]For goodness sake, grow up. Getting stuffed by Manchester City - what a shocker. We will not match clubs like this when they are on song and blubbing about the manager or the players isn''t going to change it. Our record against Manchester City in Manchester is utterly awful and has been whomever the manager is. Chris Hughton is trying to build a squad here that can be established in the Premiership and that will take time. We have some very good players but not enough of them when injuries strike. Our owners don''t have the level of wealth to be able to underwrite massive transfers so we have to be patient and try to stay in the Premiership whilst the building process continues. It isn''t easy to be patient and see the bigger picture but that also isn''t the manager''s fault. [/quote] But he''s still tactically inept and has no management skills.

This could honesty be the record Prem defeat. The scum''s record could go, think how embarasing that would be FU*K OFF HUGHTON

I would honestly take 8-0 now.

Can you sack a manager during a game? Do we have to wait for fulltime? I can''t bare another hour with this muppet in charge.

Blame lies with Mcnally now, there''s no debate to be had over Hughton. He should have gone last week, Mcnally is now costing us our prem future game by game by not sacking CH.

Could Thomas Tuchel be a realistic option?

Out.

Spot on Op. That second half was a classic case point as to why Hughton is not a premier league manager tactically. As you say Cardiff started with a 4-1-4-1 formation with only their number 8 Medel offering any protection to the back 4. Concequently we dominated the first half and Fer and Howson were causing Cardiff all sorts of problems through the center and it looked only a matter of time until we scored. Not supprisingly at Half time Mackay brought on Gunnarson and Cowie two hard working midfielders and instructed them to protect the back four and stop Howson and Fer getting time on the ball and effectively flood the midfield, taking off Kim and Odemwingue and leaving Campbell pretty isolated it looked like Cardiff were going to settle for 0-0. Hughton and his muppets on the sideline then seemed to take 20 odd minutes to work out what to do when it was clear after 10 minutes of the 2nd half as far as i was concerned that Cardiff''s changes had worked as intended and the onus was now on us to do something counteractive. To me it seemed obvious that we now had two center half and a Dm in Tettey picking up just Campbell often on his own in our half. I have no problem with the substitution of Redmond for Pilkington as we needed pace out wide. So imo clearly what Hughton needed to do was take off Tettey who was not required because cardiff had no CAM''s on the pitch and replace him with a striker either Elamnder or RVW to play alongside Hopper in a 4-4-2 and get crosses in from Snoddy and Redmond and try to bypass the crowded Cardiff centeral midfield. Or he could have taken off Turner, gone 3 at the back we would have still had Bassong and Tettey to cover against Campbell which im sure would have been adequate as Cardiff were offering nothing offensively and brought on another striker and gone 3-4-3. Instead the inept Hughton makes two like for like changes, we continue to play 4-2-3-1 for the entire match and Cardiff get the 0-0 draw they came for. Thats why Hughton has to go Now!

Win, loose or draw Hughton has to go tomorrow. Not good enough over the 50 odd games he''s been in charge. The guys tactically inept and has no plan B.

I actually agree with Wiz on this one. I prefer Johnson.

Personally i think Eddie Howe is definitely the best choice if we want an English/British manager, but actually for some reason i don''t think he''d actually come here.

Thomas Tuchel

jas the barclay king wrote the following post at 19/10/2013 4:51 PM: Norwich or die tryin wrote: Beat Cardiff or cya Chris do you base that on our last 2 results or just that one game next week? It''s based on this season. Two 1-0 wins against Stoke and Southampton from 8 games isn''t good enough.

Beat Cardiff or cya Chris