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[quote user="NCFCRulz"]In all honesty, the written application form is ridiculous as it is. Well outdated, and I cant believe it hasnt been available to fill in electronically already. Keep the written apps there for those still in the stone age without internet (I jest) but the vast majority would fill in online with some auto system NCFCs end to auto fill in the data. However yes, why shouldn''t season ticket holders get priority over general sale? Especially on a game which is going to sell out quick. Yes, you can argue that people from far away cant get to every game, and thats fair enough, but why should someone who has been to 0 games in the last year have the same chance of getting x tickets as someone who has been to 20-25? I do agree that Members with 5 away stubbs or 10 stubbs total should be same group at ST holders, not needing 10 away stubbs as this is too much IMO As for the groups, well we know from McNallys tweets that they are looking to change that next season. [/quote] Good post.  That gives distance fans a chance to go higher up the lists and is probably one of the best thoughts Ive seen for balance on this subject

Personally I disagree.  About time ST holders got up off their fat backsides and queued up like the rest of us Theres 22000 ST holders.  Id suggest that theres more than double that number that support Norwich across the globe.  That makes ST holders a minority   Live with it Mungo, Live with it [:D]

Nutty I think I can see what GP is trying to say - essentially that we need to improve and to improve it needs the 1st 11 to be "refreshed" with new faces now and again I dont think hes necessarily lost credibility over that opinion - this is a discussion forum after all - although I dont agree with him necessarily, and I can see you definitely dont GP Changing the team will have one of 2 outcomes - either the players coming in will be "Hungry" and will take the team onwards, whilst those left out will be itching to get back in.  That I think is the essence of your posts? OR - the players coming in wont do any better and the players left out (having done so well) will get fed up, hand in transfer requests, create a bad atmosphere round the team In reality you''ll probably see instances of both   Personally Im with Nutty - if it aint broke dont fix it.  If Holt was dropping his workrate, if Pilkington was failing to beat his opposite number then I think you''d have a point, but theyre not failing, theyre not even looking particularly jaded.  Certainly they dont need resting.  Contrast this to Arsenal, who do look knackered and disinterested - OK they have the CL games on top but to be honest we''re talking one extra game every other week on average. Well within the capabilities of fit young international footballers.  More to the point theyre not a happy camp for whatever reason   If we were throwing points away because the players were giving 100%, getting knackered and giving soft goals away in the last 5 then Id say your other point over earlier substitutions would be a fair comment.  But we''re more likely to score than concede, so that doesnt hold much water.  I''d rather have Holt on the pitch than Jackson any day.  Im not in the anti-Morison brigade and I think he could score as many as Holt has given a decent run - BUT Holt brings more options to include others in the game, including going out on the wing.  Changing the team potentially alters the balance   We''re on a good run at the moment.  Time to change will be if we lose a couple.  Certainly not now.  I think Hughton knows this, certainly hes found a winning combination either by accident or design, and thats why he''s paid a lot of money to do what he does.  Playing Football Manager on XBox or whatever is not even close to "real football" and too many people on here think theyre experts just because theyve spent £30 on a computer game

If hes done anything wrong its that he''s knowingly given a ticket in the home area to an away fan.  At least the Mancs lost and hopefully their plastic fan now regrets going

[quote user="Webbo118"] [quote user="paul moy"]If Howard Webb is the ref then we have no chance. At least Clattenburg is out of action.[/quote]   Anthony Taylor - born and bred in Manchester ! [/quote] Good spot - hopefully he''s a Citeh fan and hates Manure.... Norwich City v Manchester United (5.30pm) Referee: A Taylor Assistants: R West, P Bankes Fourth Official: N Swarbrick  

Fact is that not every ST holder is a true Norwich fan....I know of several Gooner and Spuds fans that live in this part of the world but get STs to watch football locally (and because their team is either too expensive or they couldnt get tickets) There are also some posters on this forum in the past that have tried to claim they should get preferential treatment.   Fact is that there are plastics in both ST and non-ST camps and genuine fans in both too.  As for Mungo - you all know he''s a WUM, just ignore him if he gets on your nerves.....

[quote user="Wiz"] [quote user="Barclay hero"]Lowestoft?  Lovely?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/quote]   All depends which bit..........I know of a couple of shit*y area''s in Norwich! [:|] [/quote] So do I.....in fact theres more than a couple To be fair to Lowestoft the beach is OK and the kids love playing in the magic fountains

Lowestoft?  Lovely?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mike Jones Norwich City v Liverpool (3pm) Referee: M Jones Assistants: S Bennett, D Bryan Fourth Official: K Friend

I was living in Manchester at the time, and me and one other Norwich fan got a train back to Manchester with a load of Everton fans. The only talk was what had happened and the Everton fans were very quiet...not knowing if friends or neighbours had been affected The next time Hillsborough held a Semi we were there for that too, and I remember feeling very subdued walking into the same Leppings Lane end....I think a lot of Norwich fans felt the same and it possibly transmitted to the team - certainly we didnt play well against what was the lowest ranked side in the competition....

Oh dear City1st youre obviously in one of those moods.  I normally respect your posts but struggling with this one[quote user="City1st"]  is nothing ''anti'' about pointing out the blindingly obvious - neither does posting up absurd speculation and even sillier dreams does not make you a better supporter  [/quote] I used the word "Anti" and "Pro" to differentiate those that were stating the club would not expand and those that stating they will.  The club have clearly stated they would look at the situation once they had been in the Prem for 2 or 3 years.  They have not ruled out one route or the other at this stage, at least in public [quote user="City1st"] The figures are there to see. It is not a few months either. The projected timescale is 18th - 24 months. Roughly the time it took for us to progress through 2 divisions.   [/quote] It depends what the club plan to do to expand.  The Jarrold took less than a season but if its the City Stand to be redeveloped there are more considerations - offices and changing rooms for one.  So not arguing over timescales.  I remember the original plans for the city stand was that it would take a 2nd deck - as would the Jarrold - though I wouldnt say with any certainty these ideals were followed through [quote user="City1st"] The club knows there is not the demand. Check the season ticket waiting list, Check the attendances at cup games and even more pertinent how much lower City season tickets are compared to other PL clubs. That is the point. We are filling Carrow Road by offering very cheap tickets. That will not sustain the cost of redevelopment. And as Matt Juler pointed out - it is a bit more complicated than simply putting up a stand.   [/quote] As I said in my earlier post its not just about the now.  Its about future development.  I agree - we dont need the extra seats now.  But if we have any aspirations of pushing up the Premier League...to Europa League or even beyond... we will need them.  And is now the time to do it? [quote user="City1st"] As to the initial increased TV money that will be going to other clubs, who will simply use it to strengthen their squad - with us left behind.    [/quote] Yes.  Thats the gamble.  In the main those clubs have already expanded - we''re playing catchup.  [quote user="City1st"] Two years is a long while. A long while for those squeaking about ''fans'' not being able to buy tickets when it will mean no casual tickets for that period. 4000 season ticket holders from the main Stand will have to be relocated.  If this buffoonery was ever a serious consideration for the club then they would have been running down the number of seasn tickets so as to have quite a bit of slack (casual tickets), to thus be able to accomodate the displaced Main Stand season ticket holders. They have not - and it is known that a fair number of those on the waiting list are not those that purchase casual tickets.     [/quote] No need for the insult about squeaking.  And who knows how the club will manage it - they may decide to run down the numbers first, they may decide not to renew a certain number for the period.  I would imagine the club would do a certain amount of research 1st.  Of course it depends on how the ground is expanded - if a second deck was added to the Jarrold (for example) it could (theoretically) be done with minimal impact.  As for existing ST holders - I know of several that arent even City fans but just want to go and watch some football because they live in this part of the world [quote user="City1st"] Squeak all you like but this is not a practical or viable proposition for the foreseeable future - and the club knows it.      [/quote]   Thats your opinion.  Ive stated mine, others have stated theirs.  When the club come out and state that ground expansion will not happen for the foreseeable future you can resurrect this thread with "I Told You So"

I wonder how many of the "Anti''s" have season tickets already and how many of the "Pro''s" don''t.  Its totally unscientific but I wouldnt mind betting that the majority of opinion is split this wayPersonally I think that to grow the club the stadium WILL have to expand.  We have a smallish stadium for a Premier League club - 10 years from now 28,000 will be considered tiny if football continues to grow - in the same way that Loftus Road is tiny by current standards.  Its not just about revenue - its about image, ensuring our stand is bigger than your stand.  Investors of the future wont want to get involved unless they see a 35,000 or 40,000 plus megadome with their name plastered all over it.  Funding it - and when to fund it - is the tricky question.  Do we go sooner rather than later?  Increased TV revenues will help but football is cyclical and we will get relegated at some point.  Will we be strong enough to bounce back?  Do we leave development now, concentrate on the team but then find the same issue further down the line - and that its likely to cost more too.  What happens if TV revenues suddenly get cut?  Do we get long term loans, sponsorship deals or partnerships?  Its enough for Tom Cavendish but would that place our club in peril a few years down the line, especially if the partner got into financial trouble - we may need to buy them out in a very short space of time or risk losing the groundThis is the problem the board faces.  Stick or Twist.  I trust them to make the correct decision - thats why McNally is CEO, not City1st or Tom Cavendish or Steady On......I certainly wouldnt want to be the one with that on my shoulders....

To be honest I dont see that his statement is particularly controversialTo a lot of "outsiders" Villa are a bigger club - theyve been in the top division for 35 or so years, had the odd cup run, and of course (unlike Leeds) they really were Champions of Europe albeit 30ish years ago.  We''ve had 5 promotions from lower leagues, a Milk Cup, a playoff final and most of those intervening years in Division 2 (as it used to be).  So Villa appear to be a better proposition for a player looking for a new clubThat said, it would be funny if they took the drop this year.  Football does have a habit of being cyclical and Villa will go down one of these days....

Why do you think Chris Martin is behind Vaughan in Hughtons thinking?  Vaughan has gone out on loan, Martin is still here.  Suggests the other way round to me....

Its fair to say that the longer you stay in the Prem the more likely you are to stay up - which is why 2nd season teams are often tarred with the SSS brush (long-lived teams are often accepted as having greater strength in depth, which usually helps avoid that relegation scrap).  We''re favourites to go down - along with Swansea as Reading and Southampton have momentum, the Shammers are accepted as a usual Prem side (and are media darlings for some reason) and QPR have spent loads (though we all know that doesnt mean anything).  Swansea are tipped almost as much as us for the drop.Its also fair to say that football is cyclical and the odds are that we will be relegated again at some point.  Only 7 sides have never suffered relegation from Post 92 Premier League - Man UnitedVillaLiverpoolSpursArsenalChelseaand EvertonBased on the cyclical theory, expect at least one long-term side to struggle - of the above Villa are most likely unless they can keep everyone fit, but Wigan and Fulham are prime candidates to "do a Bolton" or "Blackburn" if they have a bit of duff form

Of the SSS teams (going from the Prem Years 92/93) - there have actually been 8 (for this excercise Im counting Oldham as 2 years of Prem football - cant remember if they were in the old D1):Oldham (92-94) never have made it backMiddlesboro (95-97) came back at the 1st attempt, followed by 11 seasons in the PremThe Binners (00-02) have never been back sinceNor have Bradford (99-01)nor Birmingham (09-11)West Brom suffered SSS following their 2nd Prem spell (04-06) had 2 years out, followed by a single season, back at the 1st attempt and stayed sinceReading are only just back following 06-08and Hull (08-10) have not been back since the dropSo 5 out of 8 have not made it back - although Birmingham and Hull are fairly recent and only WBA and Reading are Prem sides now....

Having said that I think Garrido is a better footballer than Tierney....I guess that if we are in for him Hughton must feel that he''ll give the team better shape. I trust CHs judgement more than I do most on here....

So everyone is getting excited over a defender that cant defend, and isnt particularly quick, and are hoping that he''ll start over a player that its admitted is probably quicker and maybe a better defender...and all on the basis of the fact he can put in a good cross....??

OK - my thoughts are 1) Mixed bag on the results - Hertha Berlin are a 2nd Division German side so not exactly top.  Yes we lost the game but it was our 1st preseason game, should have had a penalty, and theirs was questionable.  Different ref, slightly different view, and we possibly win 3-2.  As for the Championship/L1 sides, a 2-0 win away to Peterboro is a pretty good result, MK Dons not quite so good, but as mentioned elsewhere we lost 4-0 to them at Carrow Road last year - at least a clean sheet this time 2) Preseason is all about which formations and combinations work and general fitness.  Some teams (Celtic for example) were well in front of us.  Players are coming in and have to get used to each other 3) Only one preseason game will have a bearing on the start of the season - and thats likely to be the Borussia game, where Hughton will probably want to try out his starting lineup and his back up plans 4) The Transfer Window is open until the end of the month - so there is still time to recruit even once the season has started.  We''ve departed slightly from the old system of signing everyone as soon as the window opens but dont panic All in all I think there are more positives than negatives - we certainly seem to be less likely to concede (long range shots are just as likely to fly off target so its better to get teams shooting from distance than from 10 yards out) and we havent lost much of our firepower overall            

I bet Mr Cavendish is also one of those that when he is shouting at players on the pitch refers to them as "Grant", "Wes" and "Tony" so that people sitting around him think that he might know them personally

[quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Scooby"]Please, please can we keep this thread going, it''s sooooooo funny. I''m wondering what colour the sky is where young Tom comes from.  A planet where professional football managers consult 12 year old boys and computer games to assemble their squads must be a wonderful place....... for Schizophrenics at any rate (And I apologise in advance for any others afflicted before the PC bunch jump on me) [/quote] Sorry to disappoint the illusions that you have in your head, but I''m middle aged and married with kids. I have my own businesses, and I used to be involved in scouting (spread over a period of a decade of so). [/quote] I heard it was the Cubs.  Close, I suppose

[quote user="Gingerpele"]Yes of course Wiz. You keep believing that if you want. Why do you even support the club? Doesn''t matter what is happening you still find an excuse to have a go. Please please just try being positive, what''s the point if you can''t be?[/quote] Or better still Wiz, go and support your home county club.  You may find more people agree with you there....

Unfortunately you cant make easy millions backing Norwich to go down as a "sweetener" to the painHowever Ive got us down as 12th again.  I think the 3 to go down will be from the following1) Southampton - depends on whether Lambert fires enough goals2) West Ham - despite talking the talk and the fact they''re media darlings they havent got an easy start and TBH dont seem to have strengthened.  Plus I hate them3) Wigan - always seem to get out of it.  One day they wont4) Swansea - Laudrup not tested in the Prem.  Could implode if they have a poor start5) West Brom - kept up by Hodgson.  Another potential Blackburn case6) Stoke - wobbled dangerously last year at the start and end.  Their anti-football will let them down eventually7) QPR - dont seem to have learned the lessons of last season8) Fulham - if they dont keep DempseyThink we''ll be mid-table, hard to see past current top 6 although I expect Liverpool to be stronger and the Geordies less so.  Possible place swap

[quote user="Jacko"]On the grounds that they won things under Don Revie back in the 1970s they feel that they have this bizarre sense of entitlement to be in the upper reaches Premiership. The cold reality for Leeds is that they have spent 16 of the last 30 years outside of the top flight. They don''t own their own ground (which whilst being sizeable is looked increasingly tired and decrepit). They also don''t own Thorpe Arch (their training ground). They are increasingly looking rather knackered unless this takeover happens.[/quote]Sounds like a Tom Cavendish dream....

Whilst it looks silly, it does of course show that theyre doing leg strenghening exercises - swim without using your arms....