Simon Lappin, King Of Spain

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[quote user="ron obvious"][quote user="Simon Lappin King Of Spain"][quote user="Shyster"][quote user="AndyJR"] Can people not see what is happening to football.  Murdoch is a one of the biggest reasons for the Premier becoming Elitist and money making.  Pubs can''t afford to show games. So much of this article encompasses what is wrong with football in general and to me the link is obvious. Perhaps I should stop thinking....   http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/eveningnews24/norwich-news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=xNews&itemid=NOED30%20Jul%202010%2015%3A38%3A59%3A963 [/quote] Gordon Brown and Labour allowed the banks to lend tens of thousands of football fans borrowed money to watch the game and Murdoch simply exploited the fact that these people would pay inflated prices to do so. Left-wing policies and the dickheads who bought into them via spending loaned money are primarily the ones to blame for English footballs demise - but the facts shouldn''t stop you from thinking - nay - these facts should prompt you into thinking about getting a better paid job to enable you to view your favourite sport. [/quote] I''m intrigued as to how exactly you have come to the conclusion that this is a left wing policy? It would appear that you, have in fact failed at the point of conception, insofar as you are equating a decidedly capitalist policy with socialism, surely this is a contradiction in terms? Furthermore Sky''s stranglehold on football began in the early nineties with the formation of the premier league under a conservative government, it has undoubtedly become even more rapacious than ever under Labour, of that there is no doubt, but surely this has come to pass under economic conditions set in motion by Thatcher and espoused by both Labour and the Conservatives right up until and during the recent and continuing financial crisis. So to rephrase my original question; in what respect is the deregulation of the financial system a left wing policy? Regarding this second rather interesting statement, why must and individual''s worth be calculated in terms of the money they earn? Surely if they are making some contribution to society, working, paying taxes etc this is enough and that the size of their wage should not be criteria for excluding them from what is after all an inherently working class sport. Surely the status quo should be challenged and a more equitable one introduced rather than allowing rampant capitalism to dominate that which should be universal.  [/quote] I would agree that the previous Labour governments policy on the banks was anything but left wing. However. the major flaw in your argument is to assume there is such a ''thing'' as capitalism. Capitalism is the name we give to the economic system which has evolved in the West; it is not derived from a theory or a religion but is a purely pragmatic approach which arose once society became too complex for bartering to work. Labour''s core belief - that nobody should be richer (in any sense) than anyone else - can only be acheived by divorcing money from goods & services. They attempted to do so by borrowing at ever increasing rates. We have seen the results. The people I value most are far from the richest I know. However, you cannot expect society in general to have any way of knowing their deep intrinsic value to me. Their economic value is the only practical way society can measure their value - & we all know this is wrong, but continue to pay footballers more than nurses just the same, because human nature is as it is. Hopefully evolution will continue. [/quote]   I agree to an extent, but surely we as a society by paying footballers more than nurses are making an implicit statement regarding those individual''s intrinsic worth, if money is they heuristic for an indidual''s value to society etc. Additionally I was not necessarlily making any argument regarding footballer''s worth etc but rather taking issue with the notion that to be able to view a sport which is ultimately a universal entity one should have to change one''s job to be able to afford it. Football is not a commodity in the way that a new TV or Car is and therefore should not be treated as such. Additionally Shyter was not making any point regarding the government''s public spending strategy (and i was not commenting upon that topic), rather the issue I had was with him equating a banking system, whereby individuals without the means to afford certain commodities are allowed to take out unsecured loans, credit card etc which they cannot afford, in order to possess them, and a left wing political ideolody is utterly ridiculous and fundamentally flawed.  I am actually in agreement with what you are saying to some extent re:capitalism and politics, rather my argument was that the unscrupulous company policies of retail banks and left wing political thought are not linked in any way. That is not to say that left-wing goverments and political theories cannot incorporate elements of capitalist economics, that was not my point, however as you say yourself the core belief of a left wing party such as labour is that no one individual should be significantly richer in monetary value than any other, therefore surely this makes capitalism in it''s current form if not the diametric opposite of socialism then at least a very uncomfortable bedfellow, particulrly in it''s current incarnation, as it were. I would also argue that just because it is not directly based upon any theory or knowledge base, it is still a label applied to the system of western free market economics and therefore one which can be used in concert with or contrast to the political ideolgies which exist alongside it. With regard to evolution, well, nature abhors unsustainable growth as much as stagnation, the key is to develop the appropriate balance.    

[quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Simon Lappin King Of Spain"] I''m intrigued as to how exactly you have come to the conclusion that this is a left wing policy? It would appear that you, have in fact failed at the point of conception, insofar as you are equating a decidedly capitalist policy with socialism, surely this is a contradiction in terms? Furthermore Sky''s stranglehold on football began in the early nineties with the formation of the premier league under a conservative government, it has undoubtedly become even more rapacious than ever under Labour, of that there is no doubt, but surely this has come to pass under economic conditions set in motion by Thatcher and espoused by both Labour and the Conservatives right up until and during the recent and continuing financial crisis. So to rephrase my original question; in what respect is the deregulation of the financial system a left wing policy? Regarding this second rather interesting statement, why must and individual''s worth be calculated in terms of the money they earn? Surely if they are making some contribution to society, working, paying taxes etc this is enough and that the size of their wage should not be criteria for excluding them from what is after all an inherently working class sport. Surely the status quo should be challenged and a more equitable one introduced rather than allowing rampant capitalism to dominate that which should be universal.  [/quote] Mr Lappin, let me offer you a little advice for replying to Shyster''s posts in the future. You see the mistake you''ve made above is to apply logic to his ramblings when all you really need to know about how he has come to his conclusion is that "Anything bad = socialist". On the plus side you are only a couple of posts away from the moment when he patronises you to within an inch of your life with the old "I used to share your lefty views as a young man until I grew up" routine. Enjoy [;)] [/quote] All I can say is, given your advice I look forward to the riposte!!!

Wouldn''t mind seeing Korey or even Francomb start at right back but am perfectly content with Russell Martin. Yes he isn''t exactly the greatest attacking fullback in the world but he''s very solid defensively and has shown glimpses of real attacking ability, particularly when driving into the middle of the park (not exactly what you want from a full back i know but if it can get us the odd goal I am not going to complain too heartily). The key is to develop a strong settled back four early, we can play around with the midfeld and attack but we need to establish a solid defensive unit and build from there, as far as I''m concerned Martin has done nothing so far to warrant losing his place in the side and there is no point in playing players out of position because the one we have there is not the next Maicon or Roberto Carlos!

[quote user="kdncfc"]When we first signed him I remember Motherwell fans saying on their forums that he was very good most of the time but was prone to make mistakes and so it is coming to pass. He is still a young keeper and young keepers tend to make silly mistakes which look worse on them because they often end in a goal, Greeno made some terrible mistakes in his early days here but he did improve over time and I''m sure Ruddy will prove to be a good keeper for us. [/quote] Yep Greeno certainly has eradicated all trace of howler''s from his game hasn''t he? ;) Seriously though, he played a very good season in a decent SPL (read mid table champ) team and can only improve with age, the kid''ll do fine!!

[quote user="GJP"] Well at the moment Nelson looks certain to start the season. He defended considerably better than Ward did today and he''s got the captains armband while Holt is out. This for me is an interesting point, last year it was the Doc who would have taken the armband and, at the moment, it looks like Nelson has replaced him. How many of us could honestly say they think Nelson is a better player and defender than the Doc? As for Ward... he made a huge mistake to gift them a goal, there were signs that he was easily going to get done for pace and he gave away a freekick on the edge of the area for pulling back Beckford. And I didn''t expect that because I''d been led to believe that only Gary Doherty gives away freekicks in dangerous areas, so to see another defender do it really did shock me. Zak Whitbread seems to have major problems getting fit and hasn''t looked as good as hoped in is brief appearances. Of course it''s far too early to write him off. Then we have Askou, I wouldn''t have fancied his chances of getting in the team a week or two ago but after seeing Elliott Ward struggle a bit today I think he might be in with a chance. I think we look a very good team when we''ve got the ball in midfield and upfront and I think the fullbacks are tidy enough as well but the centre of defence and the goalkeeper do not look as convincing as they should do. Moreover, they don''t look as convincing as they did last season. It''s not a lost cause by any means but it needs to be better by Friday than it is at the moment. [/quote] Was going to make the point about ginger pele earlier but then thought better of it. I think what we have to remember is that this was a preseason game vs premiership quality players; cahill has regularly been one of the best midfielders in the league so for him to score a hattrick agaisnt us is not exactly a disaster, yes i had hoped for better but remember ward and nelson have still only played a handful of games together centre back partnerships take time to develop. Yes they both made errors tosday but both will come good, i have faith in this and more importantly i have faith in lambert''s judement on this!! Also to boyo'' Charlton away? Nelson was an absolute legend that game dealt with just about everything in the air and on the ground, if lambert can get him to play even half as well as that week in week out then he will certainly be championship standard!

[quote user="Shyster"][quote user="AndyJR"] Can people not see what is happening to football.  Murdoch is a one of the biggest reasons for the Premier becoming Elitist and money making.  Pubs can''t afford to show games. So much of this article encompasses what is wrong with football in general and to me the link is obvious. Perhaps I should stop thinking....   http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/eveningnews24/norwich-news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=xNews&itemid=NOED30%20Jul%202010%2015%3A38%3A59%3A963 [/quote] Gordon Brown and Labour allowed the banks to lend tens of thousands of football fans borrowed money to watch the game and Murdoch simply exploited the fact that these people would pay inflated prices to do so. Left-wing policies and the dickheads who bought into them via spending loaned money are primarily the ones to blame for English footballs demise - but the facts shouldn''t stop you from thinking - nay - these facts should prompt you into thinking about getting a better paid job to enable you to view your favourite sport. [/quote] I''m intrigued as to how exactly you have come to the conclusion that this is a left wing policy? It would appear that you, have in fact failed at the point of conception, insofar as you are equating a decidedly capitalist policy with socialism, surely this is a contradiction in terms? Furthermore Sky''s stranglehold on football began in the early nineties with the formation of the premier league under a conservative government, it has undoubtedly become even more rapacious than ever under Labour, of that there is no doubt, but surely this has come to pass under economic conditions set in motion by Thatcher and espoused by both Labour and the Conservatives right up until and during the recent and continuing financial crisis. So to rephrase my original question; in what respect is the deregulation of the financial system a left wing policy? Regarding this second rather interesting statement, why must and individual''s worth be calculated in terms of the money they earn? Surely if they are making some contribution to society, working, paying taxes etc this is enough and that the size of their wage should not be criteria for excluding them from what is after all an inherently working class sport. Surely the status quo should be challenged and a more equitable one introduced rather than allowing rampant capitalism to dominate that which should be universal. 

I''m not a true Norwich fan and therefore live in London rather than Norfolk and don''t have a season ticket, however I did make it to 10 away games and 3 home games last season and will definitely be in the Old Red on the 6th. It''s a great little pub, 5 real ales on draught (if you like that kind of thing, i certainly do), small beer garden out the back and also the owner and manager (who is my best mate) are both massive Norwich fans so will always show any televised City games at either the old red or the offside or both. I''ll be wearing the Asics sponsored shirt from 1989/91 seasons and have a few tattoos on my arms so i shouldn''t be too hard to spot, if that doesn''t put you off too much then come over and say hi.

[quote user="Barclay hero"]I''m going to play devils advocate for a minute and say that IF we changed the badge we should go back to the canary that was on the 1960s badges - not the stylised bird that is on the current badge[/quote] Agree entirely, I love the current badge and wouldn''t change a thing, however if change were to occur the only one I would like to see is a return to the original canary perched on a branch from the fifties and sixties. Absolutely no need in my opinion to add any motto or names etc, the current badge is a very simple crisp and most importantly instantly recognisable piece of design which needs no alteration whatsoever.

[quote user="Bungay Canary"]adam drury, how many poor games has he had in his time here .not many[/quote] Would have said Hoolahan as he is by far our most creative player (for all his faults), however you make a very good point. Drury has played for this club at every level of the game, i cannot remember him making a significant defensive mistake last season and as barry fry said when we bought him off posh he''s the best left back outside the premier league; i think you''ll struggle to name a better one than him next season as well.

They''re a 5th tier side playing in the North Rhine-Westphalia League so don''t think there''s too much to read into (not implying that you were suggesting that there is btw). Good to see Chrissy Martin scoring though.

"Incredible scenes Jeff...." Chris Kamara, 13-07-10

Macdougall''s Perm: I know, how depressing was the whole sorry saga? scraping past teams by scoring goals in the last ten minutes, playing ugly football, losing on the last day of the season, I can''t believe some of the dross I had to sit/stand through! Dreadful!!!! On a serious note, I''m very excited by the prospect of the new season and believe  Lambert is building something very special with our team, however the Championship is a big step up, there are no easy games where we can say we should be beating this or that team, every game will be the equivalent of a Leeds or Millwall or Swindon from last season where we have no idea how the match will turn out. The scary thing is that we could easily be promotion contenders with the squad we have, but at the same time it''s just as likely we could be fighting against relegation, nothing is certain and therefore I don''t want to get too ahead of myself and let the good feeling from winning the league last season turn me into a wide eyed optimist, we could be in for a massive shock. Having said that, what excites me is that we have a young, hungry squad, full of players we own and a young hungry manager eager to make a name for himself in the big leagues, in contrast to a lot of championship sides who have been stuck in the doldrums for years relying on journeymen, premier league rejects and loanees. Hopefully these factors plus our momentum from last season will allow us to make a real go of things and try and go one better than Leicester did last season, however I won''t be hugely surprised if it turns into a bit of a relegation dogfight.

Jackson will have to earn his place or wait for an injury, let''s not forget that Chrissy scored more goals than Jackson last season (albeit in a far superior side). The exciting thing is that we now have real quality on the bench and can take off Holt or Martin and bring on a very quick, very talented, young, hungry striker for whom this is a massive career move. I would argue we now have the perfectly balanced strike force with the physicality and work rate of Holt (plus his good touch for a big man), the finesse of Martin and the pace of Jackson, if all three live up to the potential they displayed last season we could be on to a very very good thing; trying not to get over excited considering last seasons debacle but I just cannot wait for the 6th of August.

I have such fond memories of listening to Roy commentate in my grandparents living room for away games or the odd home game I couldn''t make when I was younger. He was one of the few commentaters I''ve heard who was genuinely able to convey the drama and atmosphere of the match directly into the room, so much so that you really felt you were sitting in between him and Neil Adams watching the game from the commentary box, he embodied the spirit of what a great  radio commentator should be(totally biased i might add and we love him for it!!!), an absolutely unique individual. So many ups and downs have been experinced whilst listening to him on the "wireless", he will always have a special place in my childhood memories, by all accounts a great man and true city fan, he will be sorely missed.  

[quote user="Good Touch For A Big Man"] [quote user="Jim Smith"]Banging on in the press about how they won''t stand in his way but the deal has to be right etc etc. Wonder how far apart we are in valuation terms? For soem reason i think he would be a real hit if he signed for us and a bit of pace is just what we are lacking at present.[/quote] I rate Jackson but his true value given that he has a year left on his current deal is around 500k. I would not want to pay anymore for the guy because ulitimately he did not set the world alight at league 1 level. (I think he got about 11 goals and ended up on the bench towards the end of the season.) Meanwhile for approaching a million you could have had Billy Sharp (went to Donny for £1.1 million) or possibly someone like Charlie Austin. Both have achieved more than Jackson at this moment in time in terms of goalscoring. They are also both arguably stronger all round players as well. Austin in particular who at 6ft 2 could provide some physicality which we sometimes lack without Holty in the side. [/quote]   Remember Austin, whilst undoubtedly extremely talented was playing in a play offs chasing team, Jackson scored 18 goals in a very very poor Gillingham side, that has to be a very good indicator of his pedigree in my book (also he was benched due to a fall out with the manager). Would be extremely happy if we got him, reckon £600K would swing it in our favour.

Good luck Ginger Pele, your russet combover and massive nose will be sorely missed. I don''t care what anybody else says you were a Canary legend!

Bloody quotes!!! Beausant wrote: Have you been reading your Boy''s Own guide to tactics book again? I think we need Mr Nutt as midfield playmaker. But who would you prefer in goal? Ruddy, Forster or the Librarian?

[quote user="Beauseant"][quote user="The Butler"] With Lamberts experience and German connections,plus Culverhouse having been one of the best sweepers in Europe in his day, is it possible that we may be looking at playing sweeper plus three CB''s? Four across midfield with the ability for using pace out wide and Holt + as the front runners. This would mean we do not need another right back. Difficult to beak down, offer something different for the opposition to worry about and use our players to the best advantage. Just a slight variation on last seasons diamond but being slightly tighter at the back. [/quote] Have you been reading your Boy''s Own guide to tactics book again?[;)] I think we need Mr Nutt as midfield playmaker. [/quote] But who would you preferin goal? Ruddy, Forster or the Librarian?

[quote user="BroadstairsR"] http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/181917/Paul-Lamert-it-s-time-to-copy-the-Germans- Nice juicy article for Paul Lambert. As his profile and earnings increase down south a move back to Scotland becomes less appealing. Apparently, it''s his wife who needs persuading and his family life must still come first. Every little helps.  [/quote] Who is Paul Lamert?

[quote user="Scooby"]Wasn''t he the cheating diving scumbag that got Fraser sent off??........ Or was that the other guy [*-)]?[/quote] That was cutis weston(scum), however Jackson made himself somewhat unpopular by doing a little happy dance in front of the away support, not a great idea considering the controversial circumstances of Forster''s sending off. This would be a great signing, to score 18 goals in a team like Gillingham is extremely impressive, particularly if it''s true that he was benched for a number of games towards the end. Can''t see the scoreline at carra being 2-0 to us if he''d been on from the start, they played some decent football and we were awful for long periods during that game.

Last Season was good for big celebrations so many late goals.From games I''ve been:The Doc''s winner vs BrightonNelson vs CharltonRusty''s vs Gillinghambut obviously the best was Super Chris''s winner vs Leeds that was a once in a life time experience, also ripping the piss out of leeds fans afterwards was the best feeling ever!!!

yep what a huge flop, only 390 apearences for Norwich, almost of them in the first division/premier league, plus twice voted player of the season (88 and 93).............. you fail.

I think this quote sums things up quite nicely: "...patriotism is a word and one that generally comes to mean either; my country right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile." Dr Stephen Maturin, Master and Commander by Patrick O''Brian, p 173 There''s nothing wrong with bring proud of where you''ve come from and in the collective identity of your nation but I fear that this thread is another great example of when pride turns to patriotism people lose all sense of reason and perspective and start to behave in the ways described above, both of which IMO are equally self defeating. Call me a liberal or whatever else you like, I am proud of that fact, I''m sure other people who feel differently are also comfotable and proud of the way they feel regardless of how misguided I feel they are, the feeling is no doubt mutual. It seems to me that the world will never become a better place as long as we as a human race are unable to accept other''s differences and see them as being just as valid and important as our own. I am proud as an Irish English American mongrel of all my heritage (slightly less so of the american part of it) but do not feel the need to castigate others for feeling proud of theirs particularly people who are part of a generation who have done nothing to me, my family or my fellow countrymen. People who are willing to take issue with somebody just because they act or look different from what they are used to or treat them poorly because of something which was done 70, 100, 200 years ago which they had no influence of control over are little better than those who they so despise and will I fear consign us all to a vicious and unending cycle of intolerence, hatred and violence. One point i would also like to make is that I feel somewhat uncomfortable about the singling out of the Japanese for criticism in this situation becasue of the actions of a previous generation during WW2 and a general ignoring of other guilty parties. I can''t help but feel that this is becuase they are seen as more different (culturally, racially, theologically) from us than the Germans were and therefore despite the greater magnitude of attrocities committed by the Nazi''s (e.g. in Russia and Eastern Europe, the concentration camps, massacres of Allied POWs) a lot of people are more willing to still view the Japanese in a bad light and "forgive" if that is the right word, the Germans or find excuses for them. Finally to return to footballing matters England were atrocious yesterday, I know it was largely our second string and therefore perhaps we should read too much into this but I fear for our chances at the moment. There was no cohesion, no passion and most importantly no apparent technical ability on show and as a result we made a very average Japanese side look comfortable for long periods, at this rate we will struggle to get out of our group. I just hope this lack of performance will act as a wake up call and dispell any complacency that was creeping in given the apparent easiness of our qualifying group.