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I think for me it was the Newcastle defeat where Alex Neil changed how we set up after this game. We have discovered we are not a team set up to defend and we don''t do it well either!

The one positive of the night......we are 1 game closer to Hughton going!!

I''d be very surprised if Utd make too many changes regarding the back room staff! SAF surrounded himself with a lot of ex players from Utd which meant a continuity of core beliefs and standards which Moyes will do well to leave in place. Therefore I''d be very surprised to see Phelan looking to move and also Hughton looking to bring in someone who''d challenge his authority.

4 - as it said in some of my school reports ''must do better''

We need the win....settling for a draw doesn''t usually bode well (unless your CH) I don''t want to get to the Man City game needing anything and goal difference might come into it if we don''t get the 3 points available. Have to say I feel for the Wigan fans.....how do they go through that every season.

ABC- We were one season wonders in League 1 and the Championship and now striving to stay a second in the Premiership, I can''t see how that success is not sustainable? What isn''t sustainable is scoring 28 goals this season with the amount of goals we''re conceeding. Regarding the PL departure, who was in a state of shock as you put it? I fail to see how Villa were a settled team when they were on the brink of relegation last season? Hugton said we deserved a draw on saturday against Wigan when they scored and we didn''t and didn''t have any shots on goal, again I''m mythed how that transpires? I''m happy to chat about stuff...if you want to be sensible if not we''ll have to beg to differ and see how things pan out.

Ron - Have a little look around and you''ll see certain stuff from Derek Lambias, it may take a bit of digging but please feel free. I''m open to discuss it with you.....but fabrication its not.

Abc-please have a think about your answers before scribbling them down....you have given me a chuckle for the night. I''d say under lambert our system was proving better than Swansea''s if they were more established in the championship and we only spent 1 season in the champioship. After all Leeds were more established in league 1 so does that mean their way was working better? If you have any of your spare material please pass it my way over to Hereford, many thanks. Regarding the lambert/villa debate, let''s wait and see where they finish at the end of the season. Lambert had a few extra weeks in post but took over a team that didn''t fair as well as what we did last season. Villa are on par from last season whereas we aren''t doing as well. Yeh Hughton has every right to expect the players to perform but we have the right to expect to be set up to go out and win rather than be set up not to lose. If you want some more reading material have a look at the stats from this year, the wins and goals material. Also, how many times has Hughton really given our players more credit than what he''s given the opposition? If you want to discuss it please come and chat otherwise I''d say stick to the novels you mentioned.

The depth wasnt there but they played a lot better last season, what isn''t there is the belief from the players which was passed onto them from the management team! Football has a lot to do with confidence and belief and at the moment we have little of both.

How can anyone say that villa are useless at the back based on losing 2-1 to Liverpool? Will somebody remind me just how many we conceded against Liverpool this season? Did villa not beat Liverpool earlier this season?

Managers have to motivate as well as manage (like a certain PL) but Hughton can not motivate nor manage! The players are devoid of confidence and this management team is not going to turn it around, I belive they don''t buy into CH''s philosophies or his style of football.    

Ron - have a look at what the Newcastle chief executive said...and if you dont want to believe that just have a look at our stats...less than a goal a game compared to conceding a similar amount to last season. We may beg to differ on our thoughts on Hughton but look at what the signs are telling us ;)

Have to totally agree with that notion, how some players have just under performed from last season points to one denominator....Hughton.

Norwich rat - when Swansea appointed a new manager theirs was a continuation project and to keep the good work going. Bear in mind they finished one position above us so why Hughton has been so radical in tactics and team choices leaves me wondering why he needed to change so much of the team as you put it? Newcastle decided to do away with hughton because of his negativity around the dressing room. While he has brought in several better players he has made us boring to watch, goal shy and negative. If you want to shout about the noises from the minority why don''t you just do your own shouting rather than trying to convince others? The table doesn''t lie and lambert s team will finish above us because he can motivate his team a lot better than Hughton (although Hughton might talk a better defensive game) The players will give you a lot but the manager has to take some of the blame/credit.

Technika - have to say I agree with you 100%. Hughton has put his stamp on the team with he tactics and the players are not buying into it. Under PL the team played out of their skins and went into every game with a set up to win whereas under Hughton it''s a case of not getting beat. If people think we''re going to win a lot of our remaining games look at the form guide for the last 14 games. We should be sponsored by Dulux now as that seems to sum up how we play!

Maybe we won''t be going down but our form this year has been horrendous and we''ll probably draw our way to safety! Villa, soton and Wigan will win more of their remaining games than we will so we have to hope that west ham and Newcastle carry on their poor form like we will.

After all the blunders by the officials, lets take a moment to see if we helped ourselves too? Turner and Bassong guilty of poor decision making too!! At times we have to make it easier when playing the game, lets not forget Holts challenge on their keeper too! I still think the officiating was poor too and inconsistent, but it''s just not NCFC who are getting poor decisions!

Have to say that these comparisons can be made to look how you want them too, after all lambert took over a team that nearly went down last season whereas hughton didn''t. I suggest we look at the situation in 12 months time and compare then as then you will get a ''truer'' picture. I have to agree with some of the points made but there''s an argument to be made constructively from both sides.

It''s a catch 22 situation, the atmosphere and vocal support will be better when the entertainment on the pitch improves. You need something to see to get behind the team.

We should stay up this season but I feel the football and the style of our play has become as negative as one of hughtons press conferences. I do not feel positive with Hughton at the helm for next season and the boring team that he has moulded us into. The amount of draws that we have played out at carrow road this season just begs belief, especially against teams that are either poor on the road or routed to the bottom of the table. I think we are in for a very long season next year.

Sing up - we may hay played a more attacking formation but I don''t feel team Hughton does all out attacking style in the same way as our previous manager. Get the feeling we always seem to have a ball n chain attached when attacking this season. Also we are just too slow as a team...none of the utd goals were fast breakaway goals.

Also shows what might happen if you shoot at their goal too?? :)

As much as utd are good, did we do as much as we could on Saturday and in my opinion I don''t think we did. If you sit as deep as we did you invite the other team to keep coming back at you. I think Hughton thought we''d defend the whole 90 mins as we didn''t really have any confidence going forward. I know this game wont shape our season and anything was a bonus from the game, then why didn''t we go there with a more attacking attitude/ line up? Regarding mcveigh/butler....mcveigh is full of his own importance and butler thinks he''s some big time presenter. Just for the record I think Adrian Forbes speaks a lot more sense than mcveigh when analysing the game.

Regardless of how many more/less goals we have conceded surely we should look at the style of football and the points return we have got. At the end of this season will we have progressed from the last campaign, I don''t feel we have but some will say the only thing that matters is staying in the premiership. I agree that premiership status is paramount but Hughtons football bores me! Tin hat at the ready!

Ricardo -  We are in 14th position at present, in December we were in 7th and with a couple of months left to go I don''t see us holding level with our position. People have to face up to the fact we are in freefall as 1 goal in 5 games and 2 points in 24 aren''t good statistics however you want to wrap it up. More worrying is the fact that others below us are gaining momentum and winning so with those statistics mentioned previously I don''t see it being that comfortable for much longer.