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  1. [quote user="Canaries in Bed"][quote user="Matt H"][quote user="Canaries in Bed"]   You indicate that Fram''s excellent initial post & further comment is based on fact & unrelated assumption - please get your facts straight before posting such drivel. Walker returned as manager in June 1996. Smith & Jones bought Watling''s 42% shareholding in December 1997 & in March 1998 Danny Mills was sold. Walker had previously (& outrageously) stated during questioning at the AGM that Mills was a player who ''had no positional sense and was incapable of passing the ball'' (this was witnessed by my father who was in attendance). Although Walker motivated his inherited squad of players & achieved a 3rd place finish in the top tier, history has proven that he was totally incapable of building a successful side of his own. Here is a clue as to why! Cureton was sold in October 1996, after being unable to convince Walker that he was worth retaining. He immediately realised his goal scoring potential with 68 league goals in 161 starts at Rovers, prior to further improvement in his ratio with 50 goals in 74 league starts at Reading. I''m sorry, but Fram''s post hits the nail on the head.   Curo did realise his goals scoring potential as you say, mainly in the LOWER leagues, he has scored more than 10 in 2 maybe 3 seasons in this league and certainly nothing higher. There are lots and lots of clubs out there that have players and let them go, quite simply the limit of 90 minutes is not going to produce many decent players in Norfolk, scum can rely on a lot of the london boys, mainly cast offs from the big boys but never the less a lot of decent players. You look at forest and their famed acedemy of Reid, Jenas Dawson brothers came from Leeds when youth coach Paul Hart came over, regardless what is written. [/quote] You talk about Cureton & lower leagues! - we have spent 11 of Smith''s 12 years outside top-flight football, often looking over our shoulders at league one & in desperate need of a regular goal scorer. Cureton scored 194 league & cup goals in 415 starts after walker decided he wasn''t good enough! [/quote] Yes he did, but then I scored 100 in 29 when I was a kid. He has scored a few in a few seasons in the 2nd flight. Look. Club From To Fee League FA Cup League cup Other Norwich 29-06-2007   Free  32 (23) 12 2 (0) 0 2 (1) 2 0 (0) 0 Colchester 06-06-2006 29-06-2007 Free  44 (0) 23 1 (0) 1 0 (1) 0 0 (0) 0 Colchester 21-10-2005 03-01-2006 Loan  7 (1) 4 2 (0) 3 0 (0) 0 0 (0) 0 Swindon 30-06-2005 06-06-2006 Free  22 (8) 7 0 (0) 0 0 (1) 0 0 (1) 0 QPR 02-02-2004 30-06-2005 Signed  20 (23) 6 1 (0) 0 2 (0) 1 0 (0) 0 Pusan I.cons 05-07-2003 02-02-2004 Free  No appearance data available Reading 21-08-2000 05-07-2003 £ 250000  74 (34) 50 5 (2) 2 4 (1) 1 6 (1) 2 Bristol R 17-10-1996 21-08-2000 £ 200000  161 (9) 68 10 (0) 2 7 (1) 2 6 (0) 2 Bristol R 19-09-1996 16-10-1996 Loan  6 (0) 4 0 (0) 0 0 (0) 0 0 (0) 0 Bournemouth 08-09-1995   Loan  0 (5) 0 0 (0) 0 0 (0) 0 0 (1) 0 Norwich 05-02-1993 17-10-1996 Trainee  13 (16) 6 0 (2) 0 0 (1) 0 0 (0) 0 Totals £ 450000 379 (119) 180 21 (4) 8 15 (6) 6 12 (3) 4 goals / game 0.36 0.32 0.28 0.26 Thanks for backing my figures up. Interesting that you comment on the goals tally with a derogatory ''few goals''. Did you ever learn to count?     Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals [/quote]
  2. [quote user="nutty nigel"] [quote user="FramCanary"]Ultimately, the ''Smith'' era will be remembered by most as a period of financial disaster & (apart from 03/04) underachievement on the field of play. It has also been a period where we may as well have not incurred the expense of running a youth policy. End of.[/quote] And there you have, 24 hours later the truth behind the reason for the opening post. A few facts and unrelated assumptions cobbled together in order to discredit the current board. Sorry to put a spoke in your wheel Fram but the appointment of Mike Walker2 happened before the Smith era and although by the start of the 96/97 season Smith&Jones were on the board it was still very much an interim board with Lockwood still Chairman and Martin Armstrong still very much the spokesman for majority shareholder Geoffrey Watling. The sales of Akinbiyi, Johnson, Cureton and Mills all happened under that interim board. I don''t think Walker2 ever played Cureton while Johnson and Mills both had disciplinary problems under Walker and both put in transfer requests. In the case of Johnson I seem to remember the request went to a local radio station rather than the club. Thirst Wizard is right about the 90 minute travelling time law and he is also right about  how many local players come good. As Roeder said Norfolk does not have a history of producing great footballers. If it was just a case of us missing out on them they would surface somewhere else.  And while we can rightly be proud of Sutton, Fox, Gordon they are the exception rather than the rule. All clubs miss out on players who are later sold on for millions. There are many reasons for this. The one that always springs to mind with me is Dion Dublin. Dave Stringer and Big Bob didn''t see the potential there when they shipped him out to Kings Lynn did they Fram? But these things happen I''m afraid.   [/quote] Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They ran out of credit a decade ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. [quote user="Canaries in Bed"]   You indicate that Fram''s excellent initial post & further comment is based on fact & unrelated assumption - please get your facts straight before posting such drivel. Walker returned as manager in June 1996. Smith & Jones bought Watling''s 42% shareholding in December 1997 & in March 1998 Danny Mills was sold. Walker had previously (& outrageously) stated during questioning at the AGM that Mills was a player who ''had no positional sense and was incapable of passing the ball'' (this was witnessed by my father who was in attendance). Although Walker motivated his inherited squad of players & achieved a 3rd place finish in the top tier, history has proven that he was totally incapable of building a successful side of his own. Here is a clue as to why! Cureton was sold in October 1996, after being unable to convince Walker that he was worth retaining. He immediately realised his goal scoring potential with 68 league goals in 161 starts at Rovers, prior to further improvement in his ratio with 50 goals in 74 league starts at Reading. I''m sorry, but Fram''s post hits the nail on the head.   Curo did realise his goals scoring potential as you say, mainly in the LOWER leagues, he has scored more than 10 in 2 maybe 3 seasons in this league and certainly nothing higher. There are lots and lots of clubs out there that have players and let them go, quite simply the limit of 90 minutes is not going to produce many decent players in Norfolk, scum can rely on a lot of the london boys, mainly cast offs from the big boys but never the less a lot of decent players. You look at forest and their famed acedemy of Reid, Jenas Dawson brothers came from Leeds when youth coach Paul Hart came over, regardless what is written. [/quote] You talk about Cureton & lower leagues! - we have spent 11 of Smith''s 12 years outside top-flight football, often looking over our shoulders at league one & in desperate need of a regular goal scorer. Cureton scored 194 league & cup goals in 415 starts after walker decided he wasn''t good enough!
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