Delia Out!

[quote user="Old Shuck"]This "Chase: Was He Good Or Bad?" debate has rumbled on for a few years now-hindsight is now looking to portray him as a knight in shining armour. Whether hindsight, again, in 20 years time or so portrays DS and MWJ et al in the same forgiving light, well, we''ll have to wait and see... Its interesting that, despite the antipathy towards the current regime, especially in the season prior to, and the relegation season, there was nothing like the scale of protest and antagonistic fervour against them, compared to that directed at the Robert Chase regime when its halo was perceived as slipping, sending us, then, as previously, down a slippery slope. Small scale dissent and protest of course, and heated debate on these and other NCFC boards, debate that verged on hate-opinions differed, but what was constant, was that everyone seemed to have an opinion. Perhaps, in those days of Chase, when there was no internet and anonymous means to spout anger and frustration, that very same was more spontaneous in nature, and actual, visible, physical protest came about more readily and easily? Because there were protests. Whatever else his time at the club brought us, it ended with anger, anger and discontent from fans, players, managers, plus stark headlines in the local press magnifying that. However, to repeat a point, that anger has been nowhere near the same wide scale with regard to that regime and those god-awful, in particular, 2007/08 and 2008/09 seasons. Can Chase be held accountable for the loss of Martin O''Neill as a Manager, ditto Mike Walker, plus the wholesale exodus of players at that time? Well, if he is the man at the top, was the man at the top, then yes, he can''t be blameless. But, by that same logic, then he must be regarded with a more positive view with regard to the prem success, the FA Cup semi-finals, the initial upgrade of the ground and beginnings of Colney. I have previously posted that football caught up with, and overtook Robert Chase, and I will stand by that opinion. Where the game was, mid to late 80''s and into the 90''s, a man his financial standing, ambition, capability, could and did do things well at a football club, and he did. As the game grew out of all proportion, our resources, his resources and planning couldn''t keep up, we were to be left behind, no-one wanted that, and I don''t think for one moment he wanted that either-but Jack Walker, a multi-national multi-millionaire of international standing and his ilk were coming into the game, and Robert Chase, a well off bloke from Norfolk couldn''t keep up. He wasn''t the only club chairman at that time to suffer for it, neither were we the only club-Middlesbrough nearly went out of existence, Maidstone, then a football league club did. And Wimbledon, FA Cup winners in 1988, started their steady demise which peaked when footballs new breed decided that there was more money to be made in ''fashionable'' Milton Keynes. Football has now caught up with and speedily overtaken the resources of DS and MWJ. Like Robert Chase before them, they are trying to stem the tide, but it is difficult, and now, even more so, to make money out of football and be profitable. FFS, Liverpool and Manchester United, massive debts, clubs that we used to be on a level playing field with-like West Ham-going pretty much the same way, what relegation might do to them this season-frightening... When Robert Chase left the club, there was a good chance that someone would take over, debts included. Not quite so many suitors out there in 2010 willing to do it now. Each regime has had its positives, each its negatives, and we can list them ad-infinitum, to support those who we favour, as easily as we can offer the negatives of the other. However, any and all failings of either are, and were, I believe, down to circumstances in the game, not their avowed intent, as it sometimes seems to be portrayed on here, to deliberately, wilfully, and intentionally run the club into the ground.[/quote] Excellent post.

[quote user="Old Shuck"]This "Chase: Was He Good Or Bad?" debate has rumbled on for a few years now-hindsight is now looking to portray him as a knight in shining armour. Whether hindsight, again, in 20 years time or so portrays DS and MWJ et al in the same forgiving light, well, we''ll have to wait and see... Its interesting that, despite the antipathy towards the current regime, especially in the season prior to, and the relegation season, there was nothing like the scale of protest and antagonistic fervour against them, compared to that directed at the Robert Chase regime when its halo was perceived as slipping, sending us, then, as previously, down a slippery slope. Small scale dissent and protest of course, and heated debate on these and other NCFC boards, debate that verged on hate-opinions differed, but what was constant, was that everyone seemed to have an opinion. Perhaps, in those days of Chase, when there was no internet and anonymous means to spout anger and frustration, that very same was more spontaneous in nature, and actual, visible, physical protest came about more readily and easily? Because there were protests. Whatever else his time at the club brought us, it ended with anger, anger and discontent from fans, players, managers, plus stark headlines in the local press magnifying that. However, to repeat a point, that anger has been nowhere near the same wide scale with regard to that regime and those god-awful, in particular, 2007/08 and 2008/09 seasons. Can Chase be held accountable for the loss of Martin O''Neill as a Manager, ditto Mike Walker, plus the wholesale exodus of players at that time? Well, if he is the man at the top, was the man at the top, then yes, he can''t be blameless. But, by that same logic, then he must be regarded with a more positive view with regard to the prem success, the FA Cup semi-finals, the initial upgrade of the ground and beginnings of Colney. I have previously posted that football caught up with, and overtook Robert Chase, and I will stand by that opinion. Where the game was, mid to late 80''s and into the 90''s, a man his financial standing, ambition, capability, could and did do things well at a football club, and he did. As the game grew out of all proportion, our resources, his resources and planning couldn''t keep up, we were to be left behind, no-one wanted that, and I don''t think for one moment he wanted that either-but Jack Walker, a multi-national multi-millionaire of international standing and his ilk were coming into the game, and Robert Chase, a well off bloke from Norfolk couldn''t keep up. He wasn''t the only club chairman at that time to suffer for it, neither were we the only club-Middlesbrough nearly went out of existence, Maidstone, then a football league club did. And Wimbledon, FA Cup winners in 1988, started their steady demise which peaked when footballs new breed decided that there was more money to be made in ''fashionable'' Milton Keynes. Football has now caught up with and speedily overtaken the resources of DS and MWJ. Like Robert Chase before them, they are trying to stem the tide, but it is difficult, and now, even more so, to make money out of football and be profitable. FFS, Liverpool and Manchester United, massive debts, clubs that we used to be on a level playing field with-like West Ham-going pretty much the same way, what relegation might do to them this season-frightening... When Robert Chase left the club, there was a good chance that someone would take over, debts included. Not quite so many suitors out there in 2010 willing to do it now. Each regime has had its positives, each its negatives, and we can list them ad-infinitum, to support those who we favour, as easily as we can offer the negatives of the other. However, any and all failings of either are, and were, I believe, down to circumstances in the game, not their avowed intent, as it sometimes seems to be portrayed on here, to deliberately, wilfully, and intentionally run the club into the ground.[/quote] Excellent post.

[quote user="The Trumpington Riot"]"Robert Chase kept us in the top teir (sic)" Except that he didn''t. "by appointing good managers" The EDP assessed our 31 managers in our first 100 years. Megson ranked 31st. Deehan 29th. The problem with NCFC has in fact been that in terms of the policies pursued Smith & Jones were in many ways a continuation of Chase - notably in the prioritising of property development.[/quote] Hahahaha - & the EDP are never wrong!!!

Mumford & Sons [Y]

Fool! The board continually questioned the management team as to why they were not putting forward transfer targets. Only one name was put before the board - Bob Taylor of WBA. We offered in excess of £1m, this was acceptable but we were unable to make the deal attractive to a player who wished to stay at a club where he enjoyed legendary status amongst the fans. Are you suggesting that selling 2 players at a combined income of £2.6m & at double original cost (& bearing in mind that one of these had sustained a serious knee injury from which he never fully recovered) was bad business? As ''Butler'' is fully aware, we should never have been put under such pressure from our bankers. We had net debt of £6m, but in those days football club balance sheet assets were considerably under-valued due to non-capitalisation of player contracts. We had player gross transfer value totalling around £20m! People like you make me puke.

Fully agree. I have total respect for Kevin Drinkell as a player, but not (now) as a person!  

I would go for:                                    Ruddy R Martin          Barnett         Ward             Drury/Smith                                  Crofts McNamee                                                 Lappin                                  Hoolahan                    Jackson                     Holt

[:D] I don''t think that his ratings were very accurate!

Well said, I agree he always tries and is worthy of a place in the side at the moment.

[Y]

I''m going through a Van Morrison phase at the moment [:D]

Lucky You [:D]

Which one of these two would you rather see out for Saturday''s game? It is a tough one because Bothroyd has scored lots of goals this season already and proved against Leeds how deadly he is at this level. But on the other hand Bellamy can suddenly turn on the style and rip our defence to shreds with the smallest of opportunities. Personally I would rather have Bellamy out because I believe that Ward and Barnett can keep Bothroyd at bay, whereas I don''t think that Russell Martin would be able to cope with Bellamy''s pace. Thoughts?

Even if Cardiff are without Bellamy and Bothroyd, they still have a class team with the likes of Chopra, Whittingham, Burke etc. Mind you it would be a lot easier without Bellamy and Bothroyd!

[quote user="H4H"]anyone else finding the new style message board a pain in the arse! Its slow and takes longer to upload posts. It sometimes freezes as well! Is this just me??[/quote] This is happening to me aswell, it is very annoying, but hopefully over time my computer will adapt to the changes!

I am pleased for him, it doesn''t feel as though he has played 100 games for Norwich though. Hope he scores on Saturday [:)]

[quote user="Chunky Norwich"]Grammar ability (who''s ahead of whom?)[/quote] Haha [:D]

I would happily have him here if I am honest, but I hope that Hoolahan isn''t going though!

2-1 Cardiff Holt [:D]

I think thay Ward should take them, he took them at Coventry and his record is rather good I believe. Mind you it is rather harsh dropping Hoolahan for penalties just for missing one. It is a tricky situaution!

Cheers Hucks [Y]

If only Hoolahan had scored that penalty!

Garvan, Counago, Lee, Ambrose who else?

Simeon Jackson - Watch him go!

Seemed harsh!