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  1. Imagine you have a building site, kitchen, office any place of work. Your staff have won an award/recognition and now they are getting offered 75k when you are paying them 25k They are gone that is that some will work out their 1 month notice in a professional manner others will be demotivated and/or arses about it. Get them out and get new folks in asap no other way to resolve this sadly the gap in prestige and cash is too high.
  2. There clearly is a project Get players in and sell them for profit and or if possible raise standing of club at same time. I expect anyone of value to be sold and why would Pukki hang about past Jan either if the replacements do not deliver. As soon as we spent sweet FA after promotion the "project" was clear with these sales and the Prem money banked i cannot think of another way we could have made more money. i may well help the club attract good young players as they know we will not keep them prisoner either by no selling them right away and or keeping players above them so they do not get a chance. I am not mad about it as it is clearly the plan I would be surprised if the recruitment team did not get a commission/bonus on sales. Once relegated and the wage cuts came in it is an optimum time to sell players, highly valued from the Prem and wages low so they want to leave asap and not do a Naismith. IMHO just hurry up and get them all sold be upfront about it and pay out for some decent replacements.
  3. Agree football feels like a pyramid scheme which will fall down once the real recession/lower tv contracts come in and or other leagues rise up again. Despite huge amounts of money many of the top teams rely on sugar daddies and even quasi government money. We have an amazing football heritage in this country with lots of smaller teams and all dream that if they win enough they can rise up the leagues. Sadly that dream attracts rogues who gamble with a local institution like many do with companies all over the UK borrowing and spending money on the never never. Yes this finds its way into wages for players...but to not draw the line will result in less teams and less jobs for players in the medium long term. A club cap would allow teams to blow all of it on one star and 10 kids if they wanted or to spread it equally. If a sugar daddy comes along they can still get an advantage by by training facilities, coaching and developing players. Just look at us for example we would do ok in such a system. You may argue hey other bigger clubs can buy our players any time... but they can pretty much do that anyway. http://www.just-football.com/2011/04/nfl-v-premier-league-socialism-v-capitalism-in-sport-format/
  4. Yep apparently dynamic winger full back. Arrons replacement most likely?
  5. I was under the impression that after relegation players get an automatic pay cut. Ergo given the wages we pay are probably not that high players would be mad to stay if they have better offers. Krul: Does he still have ambition if so he needs to stay in the premier league if a number one slot comes up. Off Cantwell: Seems to be getting mentions and hype from other players and when on TV delivered the goods. Off Buendia: Lovely player but I dont think will get as much money as we think he will. I would not buy him if I where a middle lower team in the premier league...has he really been that effective. Better for a stronger team if they are interested 50/50 Pukki: More valuable in championship not enough power and pace for the premier league. May be tempted to sell if an offer from abroad comes in. 70/30 stay Lewis: Still looks raw but wonderful athlete definitely will be interest Off Aarons: As above but seems to have a higher reputation Off Godfrey: Another player with the athletic ability to be top draw yes he makes mistakes but he is also playing the games I would take a punt on him so I think 50/50 It will be a massive achievement to be promoted again next season. I remember watching the 1-3 loss to Sunderland back in 2017 and thinking how slow and ponderous our play was. Arrons and Lewis gave us width and pace where it was lacking before.....they are both going to go most likely. Two Premier league, fast end to end fullbacks leaving.
  6. Good so you confirm its there and this time you actually read it. Yes the other stuff is from national newspapers the Times is usually considered a quality paper and did not support brexit etc. How do you know they are righties? Maybe they went to donate money to BLM UK and read the go fund me page... which kudos to them has raised over 850,000£ https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund YESTERDAY by UKBLM Fund, Organiser "We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately and systematically harm Black people in Britain and around the world." I am not saying thats right or wrong power to them etc etc. But considering that we rightly or wrongly live in a capitalist society that requires political change and thus the organisation is not simply one of morals. And if the capitalism is "dismantled" what will replace it..... My point with references and proof is not that BLM is right or wrong but it is a self defined movement with political aims. So football teams should seek long and hard before aligning themselves with it. To be honest if they keep raking in money at this rate they may remove the socialist/defund police stuff to keep the gravy train rolling.
  7. Ok https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ Para 7 and Para 17 Gary McFarlane the gentleman next to John Boyega https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/12/make-no-mistake-blm-radical-neo-marxist-political-movement/ and if thats to brexity right wing for you https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hard-left-hijacks-black-lives-matter-movement-lpmfn3f2j https://www.marxist.com/international-reports-from-the-black-lives-matter-movement.htm I support their right to freedom of speech and their own personal life journey. However to hand over money to BLM and publicity without knowing or denying the objectives is silly, they themselves are clear about it and upfront.
  8. Sadly its delusion to think that someone painting BLM on a statue of a revered figure would not be a feast for racists seeking to recruit. You must know how it works in a protest you have about 80/90 percent decent folk then x% who are either hardcore supporters or people out for a ruck for the day. The objective is to start something and then magnify it out to co opt the others either in violence or to visually make it look that the bad behaviour is larger than it was. As soon as a fool tried to burn the flag and the statute was tagged the nasty pieces of work thought excellent we can now use this to try and build up support and increase our power. You now have the festering situation that needs to be addressed of BLM and left wing agitators supported by the well meaning middle class/students on one side and the poor white section of the country (uneducated white boys are actually the worst off in UK with only 5% seeking further education) being worked on by the far right. If one takes 2 minutes to visit the BLM website and read it you clearly see their wish to defund the police and is comrade this and comrade that. It clearly has a political agenda it is indisputable far beyond the simple and universally decent messuage of rights and love between races. We may look back on this period and think actually this made things worse.
  9. Ian Crook for me I remember thinking how you add him to a team it becomes a passing team enhancing the talents of those around him. Oh how he would be appreciated in this day and age... as opposed to being overlooked in favour of Carlton Palmer el al. Looking back at the old days how England never made better use of Crook and possibly even more so Le Tissier ...big club snobbery. However as others have stated the single biggest impact on a city side i ever saw was Huckerby.
  10. Agree with this. Bigger teams than us are spending more money every year to get out of the Champs and to financially dominate now are we going to say buy a top striker for 10+ million to replace Pukki for example? If we are then it would have been better to buy a player or two for 5-10 million this season it would have made all the difference. We never seem to have enough pace and power when we have ben promoted recently.
  11. This we are in the business of selling players for money now the recruitment team would then have to prove their worth replacing him. 29 year old free transfer > 15/20+ million £ and also possibly getting xxK a week more and lets face it a lovely place to live and champions league football and some title chances. Its a risky move Pukki is untested in the premier league unless he tears it up he wont be worth much more than he is right now given his age. From a football perspective get lost... from a business perspective cost of replacement+risk of loosing player+ profit = x It may very well be that they would not pay what he is worth to us (a good chance of that tbh) Put yourself in Pukkis shoes I dont know what we are paying but this might be his last shot at a big move. If he flops in the premier league this wont come again.
  12. I do also. When I watch Kane in an actual game ie for City when on loan, in the world cup against the first half decent team and tonight....he has not looked world class to me. I am sure he is wonderful but Spurs looked toothless tonight.
  13. What a strange game boring as hell. Spurs disappointing pressure on and intensity was low, I was left wondering how they got there in the first place. We have been really spoiled this season and i did not fully realise till I sat through that tripe this evening.
  14. Yes .. He is the 14th fastest player in the premier league apparently. https://talksport.com/football/348058/20-fastest-players-premier-league-walker/
  15. This guy seems to fit the mould. Good pedigree > overhyped > fell away. They come here get mega fit and get rebuilt in a supportive environment. Looks to have outstanding technique but that only gets you so far in the premier league which is full of very strong and very fast 6ft + athletes. They have seen something in him though maybe another x% they can extract with fitness and mentality.
  16. There you go. So are Manchester United going to put him in charge of the entire football side of things and pay him 1.5/2 million? Or are they just going to put him in charge of transfers and then in that case would he be paid that level as it would not be so senior.
  17. This. Put yourself in the Manchester united owners shoes. You need immediate success and top level players to get that. Webber is good but .... I would hazard recruiting and managing multi million £ superstars is a different skillset to players that can make a difference in the championship. Why hire a guy from Norwich when you can hire a top level equivalent with champions league experience from Italy or Spain etc? I just do not see it happening at this moment in time or at Manchester United a more dangerous link would be with a team like LDC mentions a Newcastle/Villa/Everton sized club who can use transfer savvy and youth to complete with the superstar recruiters. Manchester United fans are not like us they are not going to endure a season or hardship whilst Webber shifts pogba on. Nor are they going to accept a Farke type coach unless he hits the ground running... The local rivals have Pep Guardiola Webber is either going to be rolling the dice on a Farke type (who may not be able to deal with prima donna superstars) or hiring a big name manager. I think its actually better for Webber to be here at Norwich and being middle of the premiership. 1) He has total control here 2) from this https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/941383/Premier-League-money-directors-salary-every-club-sportgalleries I see that Directors earn between hundreds of thousands to 2-4 million for the best paid. Why can he not earn this kind of money with Norwich 10-20k pw? less than Naismith. 3) Norwich can sign players for x million and sell them for xx million ie they should always look to make a profit from transfers. Maybe he does already but I would probably give my sporting director a bonus % on transfer profit and imho it will be much more attractive at Norwich as players will generally want to go for the higher money. The best young players will want to come as they know they will play and then get sold for the big bucks. When you sign a 50-100m player you only have a few clubs to sell to and the clubs run at a loss to win things.
  18. [quote user="Hercules"]" I think it would foolish to bring in a player on loan simply to sort himself out for a bigger move in the summer with absolutely no benefit to us in the process."That''s my thought.Likewise I don''y think we have given up on making the top six. All we can do is keeping picking up points and see where that leaves us. We had the same rather bizarre ideas in the PL where we were supposed to concentrae on avoiding relegation rather than trying of get as far up the table as possible. As if some how they were mutually exclusive.However we undoubtedly have taken a more pragmatic view given where we were before the transfer window and we have continued with development of the squad, rather than throwing everything at keeping us in the top six or two.There are many varied reasons were players are not at their best. Look at Chelsea. Clearly something is amiss there given the money they have spent.The club has gone back to what it does best. Finding players with the right approach that have not only something to prove, but a recognition that when the chance comes along, grab it. Holt, Martin, Hoolahan well proved that.. as did a host of others along the way with them.We''ve all seen players who did not want to be here, and couldn''t wait to hop into their car and head down the A11 after the game. I think it was Roberts who talked about the team spirit in 04/05. That is something I sense we have now. Players like Zimmerman have bought into this, as has Maddison and I don''t doubt others.So misfits or not we look to have a squad who will work their collective backsides off for the cause. For those who thought the season was over then think again. I can assure you we will be a lot closer to the play offs than we are now come May. [/quote] I also do not see the logic in having a loan without a purchase clause unless its a player who is guaranteed to give us a boost or something we are missing. It must be good for Norwich as if we can get the "misfits" we are a small city away from London and for young german players who may have spent to much timeout with the lads it can give them a fish out of water focus...but still with friends and a support network of professional ex pats. A new start so to speak and they can leave their baggage back home
  19. [quote user="Bethnal Yellow and Green"]Suspect he has been lined up as the Maddison replacement for the summer.[/quote] My thoughts also. By the summer I would have thought the hope is most would have accepted JM departure (for a great big bid) and then have the blow reduced by knowing ML can cut the mustard.
  20. Ok forget about football. Your a Billionaire and I have a proposition for you. There is business I have for sale its about 30 million £ and most likely it looses money operationally to stay competitive. However you can buy members of staff for say 500k or a million £ and then every couple of seasons you can sell them on for 5 6 and every so often 10-20 million if you buy right. And if you lucky you may get promoted and the business will then turnover 100m and you can sell it for 50-100m profit. or You can buy this business spend 50-100 million £ on excellent staff you get promoted or loose loads of money. Once promoted you can sell the team for about the same you paid out to get there. also if you dont spend another 50 million you may get relegated. My feeling is that with the wage bill trimmed and the costs down your more likely to sell the team. You certainly cannot sell it with Maddison etc as he may be worth more then 50% of the whole business and nobody is going to want to pay for him and then sell him for the same ish value (or he gets injured).
  21. You dont need to borrow a bad apple. Another week and then get rid we have new players that need to be concentrated on.
  22. [quote user="Big Vince"]It has been reported today that the former Brazil striker is looking to buy a second-tier club in England or Spain. He has a net worth reputed at $150 million. Clearly not megabucks by today''s standard, but still a lot more than the Suffolk Socialists. Even if he put in just £5-8 million a year it might just help keep the team together and progress rather than sell everyone off and go for League 1 instead. Will Wynnie for once in his life set aside his xenophobia and prove that he has nothing against foreigners who are Brazilian? Surely he should at least speak to the boy. After all, he could have great contacts in Brazil and Spain and a bit of samba dancing on the pitch at half-time would surely liven up the place, as it is currently dead.[/quote] 150 million $ thats £105 million £ He does not have the money unfortunately. I dont think the club is that valuable but it must be worth more than 20-30 million+ given that wolves sold for 45 million and 60 million for villa... wigan apparently are going to be sold for £20m. Bizarrely James Madison looks like 20 million+ nearly the same value as the whole business! That puts the financial gulf into perspective. So after buying the team for 30 million plus costs Ronaldo will have 60-70 million which I hazard is the same new worth as MWJ and DS give or take a few 10''s millions. Unless he has significantly more money than 105 million there is no chance...or maybe he would be the face of some oligarch investors with billions which is more likely. 250 million for a new custodian (sensible and organic), or 5 billion + and do a wolves required at least. No fool is gong to want to spend all their wealth on Norwich city.
  23. [quote user="Hairy Canary"]How can there be a wage cap? This is a private company paying an employee what they think he''s worth - not coming out of taxation or anything like that. Totally obscene but it''s up to them.[/quote] You could have a team wage cap or variation of. That way you could pay a lot of one person or spread it around more. a la NFL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap NFL 2016 $167 million cap per team £120 million £ Manchester city £244 million http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/08/manchester-city-wage-bill-rises-25-244m-pep-guardiolas-first/ Manchester United £263 million http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/11/16/man-utd-enjoy-huge-increase-revenues-despite-wage-bill-soaring/ Its all fun for a while then it becomes a bit boring Leicester winning the premier league was fantastic i can hardly remember the other winners recently as its a boring limited selection. At one small stage the "smaller'' teams had a boost after the television deal which meant they too could have a team of internationals and it felt like progress culminating with Leicester. This latest bout of wages though is utterly silly and undoing that progress. It will be interesting if a revolution in the gulf or sudden loss of interest from a sugar daddy in the premier league will bring the bubble down. For teams like Norwich the game is about buying players for 500k and selling for millions now. Ipswich where so lucky their golden days happened when they did, today those players + manager would be out the door after a season.
  24. I dont mind him but he is better against the better teams if that makes sense. The more scrappy spoiling teams dont give him the space and time on the ball.
  25. I would like 2 one big man to hold up and one nippy guy. Assuming we do the usual and go for bargains. Marriot would be north of 2.5 million possibly so probably not considered. Holding up the ball. Mikael Ishak union berlin Christian Doidge forest green bring in some form at least. Nippy striker The Kilmarnock chappie as he seems to have a lot of pace.
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