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  1. 15 hours ago, lake district canary said:

    Very difficult to think what will work best. We need to be up to the physical battle, that's for sure, so maybe -


             Omobamidele Hanley Kabak

    Aarons     Lees-Melou     Normann    Giannoulis

                    Rashica  Idah  Tzolis    

    Gibson will surely start against Burnley. Especially when we play a 3 man defence I think Farke will want to use Gibson so that the LCB is a natural left footer. I think with Hanley and Kabak.

    Aarons and Williams wing backs for me for this game. Williams needs to play because we need someone decent aerially against Burnley.

    Normann, Mclean and PLM.

    Sargent and Pukki. Not a chance I'm leaving out Sargent who has looked one of our best players so far this season.

  2. 25 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    Personally, this season, he can withstand 38 defeats.

    This pattern of one season in the Prem and one season in the Championship is worth about 140 million quid over two years minus the costs of a relatively cheap squad that is steadily building the financial muscle of the club. 

    We have a solid footballing identity that is proving very reliable in getting us back to the Premier league. A change of manager means a change in approach that jeopardises that. Eventually, we will establish ourselves in the Premier League on this course, but as real contenders with an identity. 

    I don't see any value in gambling that on whoever happens to be an out of work manager at the time. 

    GJL - the above is exactly what I think too so I won't bother to reply. 

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  3. 40 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

    ..but we are in the Premier League NOW ...shouldnt we be fighting tooth and nail and doing everything we can to maintain that?

    Even if that means changing the manager?

    There's absolutely no guarantee that we can keep thinking we'll come straight back up each time we get relegated because it just might not .

    We didnt sack Alex Neil when we should have done in his relegation when the warning signd were there that he wasnt going to keep us up

    We left it far too late in sacking Hughton when he was taking us down to have given the next man a fair chance to retrieve it.

    Please ,lets not make the same mistake.

    I just cant accept that there couldnt be another manager out there that could give us better chance of getting points in this league.

    If every club thought there wasnt, no club would ever dismiss their manager

    I certainly think we should fight tooth and nail.

    I just take the view that sacking the manager is more likely to be counter-productive. I would prefer to give DF time to work with the new players and improve us. I still think the sample size and toughness of fixtures makes it far too early to draw the conclusion that DF can't succeed at this level.

    The other issue is that getting someone 'better' than DF would be very difficult. They would have to have more premier league experience presumably, be willing to work under a DoF model, be willing to accept that they have to play academy products, work within a self-financed model and play an attractive brand of football as stated by Webber.

    Good luck with that search. I think we have the right man for the job here already. 

  4. 8 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

    Its too late if it gets to 10+...let alone 15, why would you be happy at that?

    Thats a third of the season and barely then worth doing at all.

    If we were to make a change it needs to be whilst theres enough of a season left for a new man to retrieve.

    It is still is just about now, whilst there are 4 other teams who havent won a game. Someone quoted a stat on a thread last night that the bottom 7 teams had only won 2 games out of 39 between them.

    So there's a lot of other catchable teams as it stands...but leave it a couple of games longer, there won't

    Because I don't believe that sacking managers is a path to long term success. Certainly not for us under this model.

    If we aren't good enough I'll be disappointed. But I won't turn against Farke and Webber. They've presided over a considerable improvement in the club's fortunes over the last 5 years.When they came in, just being in the Premier League was a pipe dream.


  5. Just now, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

    Once the crowd has turned, no manager ever survives.

    Admittedly that is true. However I've seen little evidence yet to suggest that the stadium is ready to turn on the manager en masse. 

    I agree with you that it is going to be a little ugly if we lose to Brighton and go 0 from 8. Lose to Leeds and go 0 from 10 and I can see there being some negative chanting etc. I'm just unconvinced that Webber will really be swayed by all that.

    It is going to take a sustained run of really horrendous results and performances for them to even consider it, in my opinion.

    And personally, I'm pleased about that.

  6. 3 minutes ago, Cantiaci Canary said:

    I think Farke may do a Wagner and concede that it's not working and return to the continent at some point.

    If not then I think it would take something like 15 to 20 back to back defeats this season for Webber to pull the trigger.

    Yep I think it would take something absolutely ridiculous like 0pts from 15 games for them to contemplate it.

  7. 3 hours ago, Samwam27 said:

    I think it's a little harsh as Nornann & Kabak have only had 1 game. Each [player will get sharper and the team will "gel" per game as the new players get used to each other. 

    We've got more new players than we've ever brought in under any other window.

    In terms of "gelling" Rashica & Sargent play together as has Tzol & Giann , and the hope, as we've spent approx £8m per player there (& £6m on latter, which is not small fry for us) is we can get all of them in the team pretty sharpish and playing together.

    Time isn't with us, but there's a long way to go. Just hope Farke is brave enough to get them in quick  

    Yes. We should give them at least TWO games before casting the first stone...

  8. 2 minutes ago, non-scoring strikers said:

    What 'project'? 

    Isn't the idea of any sport to be in the top league and be competitive in that league? 

    If that is our project we're not doing it right. 

    You compete as best you can with the resources you have available. 

    To be honest there are probably at least 25 clubs in the UK with more resources than us - there are many owners bankrolling clubs even outside the top flight whereas we self-fund.

    Being in the top flight is a decent effort for NCFC. Our task is to be competitive at this level. That will be difficult for us but not impossible. And there's a long way to go this season. 

  9. 2 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

    And sold our talisman... Watford? Theirs scored twice yesterday.

    We don't have rich owners. They are good people that care and want the club run in a financially sustainable way. It causes us problems in some respects but it has also forced us to invest in our academy which has been a huge positive. Coming from an amateur club background, personally their approach is something I'm extremely proud of. 

    They aren't the worst owners in the world though, are they? If we hound them out, I'm sure Derby County would take them.

    Maybe you can start a protest in front of the City Stand next home game. You might be a little lonely though. 

  10. 1 hour ago, hogesar said:

    Yeah, really good post. Can't really blame people on here for being reactionary though after the result and performance today.

    Like you say, overall we are most certainly heading in the right direction still.

    I do think expectation has been raised unreasonably with the signings. I said they look decent acquisitions at the time but we have no idea how good they'll actually be at prem level and it certainly shouldn't mean Farke should be expected to comfortably keep us up. I would have expected us to be on anywhere between 2 and 4 points right now at best so we arent miles away from a realistically decent position based on fixtures. An unexpected (very) against Everton and suddenly we arent far off track.

    Yeah I agree with all of that. I definitely think expectations have raised a little too quickly. Some of the booing in the Barclay toward Farke at the end of the game is so incredibly disappointing. Is there no loyalty anymore?

    I've just watched all of the goals carefully and I don't really even think you can blame Farke for the tactical setup in relation to any.

    The first goal Rashica fails to close down a cross and Kabak is stationary letting Dennis get the run on him.

    The second, Normann just doesn't track the channel run and then Sarr gets across Hanley.

    The third, McLean shanks a clearance horribly and there's a marginal offside and a shot saved which breaks kindly. 

    Individual mistakes for me over and above a tactical issue in relation to the goals today. 


  11. 5 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

    This^^^ I know I fall out with people over their booing and negativity, but really, there is always a chance, especially this early in the season, to improve.  Maybe it's hard for some people to stay positive, but there really is time to improve and start getting results.

    The trouble, LDC, is that everyone wants to stay up THIS season. They want to beat Watford TODAY. There is no patience for a more longer term gradual improvement. Which over the last 5 years we can confidently say is what is happening.

    For those calling for rich Chinese investors etc and the ejection of the 'Stowmarket Two', that is particularly galling to take when you consider what has happened to Derby County in the last 24 hours.

  12. 8 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

    That's a nonsense though, it doesn't take into consideration inflation etc. Our early 90s sides would **** that in today's market. What's Huckerby et al worth in today's money. 

    It would be pure speculation to try to value the early 90's side by today's standards so I won't bother to try.

    What we can say is that the value and quality of our playing squad has increased dramatically over the last 5 years that the current management have been in charge.


  13. 8 minutes ago, JB said:

    I have been well and truly behind the direction of the club, until tonight, and this is firmly the first time I have decided that I think it's failing. Genuinely heartbroken at watching this today. We are a hollow shell of a team required at this level, and it hurts. Facts are facts and we are hopeless. That is something that cant be argued with 

    It isn't failing. We are improving year on year.

    We just aren't good enough to stay in the PL yet.

    But there's 33 games over 8 more months for that to change. I'm not convinced that it will, but that doesn't detract from the overall positive direction of progress.

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  14. 1 hour ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

    I haven't lost any faith in the project. This is the project that has taken us from mid-table obscurity in the Championship to being a yo-yo club in little more than four years, so it's actually doing its job in the sense that we've developed the club massively. Progress isn't linear, and even if we do go down we'll still be far stronger than we were five years ago and have a great chance of going straight back up (hopefully stronger) if we don't panic and try to rip up the blueprint. 

    No club will ever develop consistently in a straight line without setbacks here and there, and we seem to be taking several steps forward at a time then a couple back, before a few forward again. 

    If you look at the four-and-a-bit years of the project as a whole, it's actually working extremely well. You just need to have faith that whilst things aren't going well and the backward steps are being taken, it is still generally moving in the right direction and there will be larger strides forward in the future.

    I completely agree.

    I've said before on another thread. I know that everyone is desperate for us to go up and stay up, but the fairest yardstick to measure the management of this club by is to ask whether they've improved the squad each year. If they've done that, then they are taking the club in a positive direction, even if we still aren't good enough to survive this year.

    Subjectively I don't have any doubt personally that the squad has improved every single year.

    Objectively, TransferMarket demonstrates clearly that we have the most valuable squad (worth c. £180m) that we've ever had.

  15. 49 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

    I didn't mention his name, but an ideal mentor?

    The idea that you can just bring in Hughton or Allardyce and fix our defensive issues is completely absurd. 

    Do you know what they would do? They would advocate a much more defensive set up. Farke is capable of doing that himself. His choice is not to. It's not to throw out his ethos. It's to get better at implementing it.

    And there are still 33 games to go. 

    People calling for Allardyce as a defensive guru makes me feel like I've entered some sort of weird parallel universe.

    All off the back of 5 defeats, most of which were fully expected.

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  16. 2 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

    Nonsense?  Well I obviously would disagree, I've said this many times over the past four years. Can we just see if it works, otherwise Farke might as well go now, and we get Hughton back.

    As Ken Hairy has replied elsewhere, no we have never had a specific defensive coach.  Farke's team consist of lots of conditioning specialists, fitness coaches etc. but not one practised at the "dark" arts of defence.  And yes, it is getting relatively common now to have coaches who specialise in one facet of the game.  So much so, when things go bad, it is those coaches that get the boot rather than the "head" coach themselves.

    It's nonsense because you don't know what each coach does at Colney on a day to day basis. So you are not in a position to evaluate their performance in those roles.

    Webber is. If he feels that the coaching staff needs improving, expect him to act. 


  17. 23 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

    We just need Farke to accept he needs help defensively!  Get in a good defensive coach and Farke can focus on attack and the whole team environment.  Today (and for the 14 previous EPL games) it wasn't necessarily the tactics, just a complete lack of defensive nous / awareness / concentration. 

    If only our defence could avoid switching off/ mistakes for 90 minutes!

    Sorry but I find these type of comments a total nonsense. 

    You have no idea how Farke coaches on the training ground. The idea that he doesn't understand how to set up defensively is ridiculous for a top level professional coach.

    All styles and systems of play have their advantages and drawbacks. Farke chooses to play a progressive, attack minded system. That will inevitably leave defensive weaknesses. You cover those as much as possible but at this level the opposition are that much better at exploiting them. 

    What that doesn't mean is that Farke has no understanding of defensive set up and that he and his coaching staff 'need help'.

    How do you even know whether Riemer etc are defensively minded coaches? Are coaches even recruited on the basis of one facet of the game only, such as defending or attacking?!



  18. 9 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

    This. He was class last season after he'd sorted out the injuries as he and McLean really pushed each other on. I think some underrated him because Vrancic happened to be around at the same time, and Vrancic was far more of what they think a creative midfielder looks like with his flicks, incisive passes, and set pieces.

    Rupp's not primarily interested in cutting open defences when he gets on the ball. His game is all about keeping the opposition off balance, keeping the ball moving, and keeping things ticking over. When not in possession he likes a turnover and particularly an interception, whilst always being very diligent at getting back into defensive position and helping maintain some semblance of shape.

    Throw in a very healthy turn of pace, although he's not a complete speedster he's certainly not slow off the mark, excellent work rate and reliable technique and he'd walk straight into pretty much any Championship midfield.

    Spot on. Rupp is being scapegoated and is nowhere as bad as some want to make out. He's a good Championship level midfielder, and a squad option for us at this level. I don't see him starting many games from hereon in, but I do see us using him as and when we are defending a lead, and in the event of a couple of injuries.



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  19. I've said before. Delia and Michael aren't the best owners in football.

    But they are nowhere near the worst. To be honest it's pretty sad to see what is going on with Derby and Forest. Good football clubs. Similar size to us. If we'd sold off the club to the highest bidder we could easily be in their position. 

    Sometimes I think we don't realise how lucky we are to have people in charge that care about the club. When you consider the clubs that are a similar size to us that are doing better than us, I would list:







    Then when you list the clubs similar sized to us that are doing worse than us, you have:





    Sheff Utd





    Sheff Weds


    Ip5w1ch (used to be similar sized to us)


    In the overall scheme of things we are doing ok.

  20. I think the point is that Rupp isn't going to be starting many games for us this season. He started yesterday for various reasons already mentioned. I think we all know in a couple of weeks Normann will be in the side along with, most likely for me, McLean and PLM/Gilmour.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see Rashica and Tzolis starting regularly behind Sargent although there may be games where we can play 4-2-3-1 and use Dowell in the 10 behind Pukki.

    But to answer the OP's question, Rupp is getting in the side more because at this level we are playing against much better opponents, hence moving from the more expansive 4-2-3-1 to a more defensively oriented 4-3-3. 

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