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Whoever it is with, I hope beyond hope that DF gets to return to Carrow Road so he can get the ovation he deserves.

These wins feel all the sweeter when you've backed the players, manager and ownership. Enjoy your evening buddy.

This forum is home to discussions on many different topics. There are some in which the standard supporter has more information upon which to base an opinion, some where there is very little information. See the Cantwell speculation for example. I'm on here to read views and contribute where I think I have something marginally interesting to say. And to point out where I think some views may be erroneous and offer an alternative view.

Not at all. I was referring to Farke and Webber.

I don't think that's true though. But it does perhaps introduce a degree of humility into those who understand that fundamentally, the guy who is at Colney every day, who has the experience and coaching badges, might be better placed to make the key decisions than me, you, or anyone else on this forum. The fact that some posters don't understand this explains the content of some of the posts in this forum.

I'm just going to say this. If you choose to boo Daniel Farke, or sing for his sacking, that's on you. I won't be doing it. If you choose to do it, the board aren't making you do it. It all feels a little too similar to telling your kid 'don't make me hit you by misbehaving'.

Voice your opinion by all means. No problem. But like it or not, Webber will make the decisions, and is better informed to make those decisions than anyone on this forum.

But that's not what I said Jim. I actually said everyone can have their opinion and express it how they like. All I said is that some opinions have more weight than others.

After a 3-0 home defeat to Leeds in Farke's second season, you could have said something similar.

I'm not sure that 'we better sack him now cos in a few weeks the fans might boo' is any way to make sound business decisions.

No probs, everyone can have their opinion. But if one isn't in possession of many key facts, such as the availability of alternative managers, it just means that the opinion isn't of much value.

That's all fine and well. But if it's Webber's job to decide whether or not someone better is out there, why don't we just leave it to him to make the decisions rather than demanding sackings? He may have concluded that DF is the best option, all things considered and with the longer term in mind.

Just to try to bring this thread back around to TNC, I'll have my say. Firstly I don't think that there is any doubt that they are both good guys, talented in their media work, engaging and passionate about NCFC. Their channel has some of the more polished fan produced content that you will see in the country. I thought the livestream work that they did was great during lockdowns and they've done good charitable work. Some of their best work has been their interviews with players and staff, demonstrating the ability to connect closely with the club. It is, however, notable at least to me that their interactions with the club itself have tailed off notably in the last 18 months. I suspect the pandemic to have had a significant influence on that, but we are still not seeing those player interviews etc that were a staple of the past. Who knows if there are reasons beyond the pandemic for that. But I do think it has diminished the channel somewhat because I don't know how much mileage there is in hearing the same people express similar opinions week after week. I'm not particularly impressed with Jack's content over the recent several weeks. They've swung incredibly quickly from the reflected glory of the club's success with their HMS pi55 the league caps and celebratory streams to demanding the sacking of the manager. I've seen nothing in Jack's content in terms of what that sacking will actually achieve in the mid to longer term or how the abandonment of our hard-built model and principles will benefit the club going forward. I find his recent content knee-jerk and short-sighted. But I think that's a mistake being made by many right now. This isn't a Webber or Farke issue, they are both talented, skilled and hard working people. We will be very hard pressed to get better. Much more likely is we will get worse. But our position isn't about that. It's a consequence of not having the finance to compete at this level. You can appoint whoever you like to the manager's chair but that fundamental fact will remain. And that is scary for all of us. Because it goes way beyond booting out a manager and expecting things to suddenly change.

Agree with every single word.

Also worth pointing out that Worthington's dismissal set the club on a nosedive that ended in L1. Change isn't always a good thing. The issue with the OP however, is the premise. I have seen very little evidence in the ground of fans really turning on Farke. Apart from some boos at the end of the game I felt the crowd was right behind the team. I didn't hear a single anti-Farke word said during the whole game.

It makes more sense when the club stated the objective was to: "Either be in the Premier League or in contention for promotion to the Premier League." That's what Top 26 has always meant.

Yep I second this and I'll try to add my own take though I concur with quite a bit of what Indy said. Personally I place little blame at Farke's feet. After 10 games I simply don't see the individual quality in the players that we've brought in that is required to stay in this league. Player for player, we still have the worst squad in the division. Sargent, Rashica and PLM have been disappointing as has Williams. Tzolis clearly is one for the future as is Angus. Gilmour looks difficult to accommodate in a squad already small in stature. Dimi and Gibson have both looked suspect defensively. Ozan has been just about adequate I'd say, and Normann the only real success. Both of those being loan players of course. As for Webber, clearly there is a degree of blame because the recruitment looks disastrous. Albeit I agree with Webber that it is still relatively early in the season, but clearly 2pts from 10 games and none of those players looking up to it is getting on toward a decent sample size. However, ultimately Webber is operating within a tight PL budget especially on wages. £40k is about our limit so even if you argue we should have signed 4 or 5 quality additions instead of 9 or 10, there is a limit in terms of the quality of the player you can attract on our wage budget and as a favourite for relegation. I just think we are seeing the limits of self-funding. Which is basically that the likes of Webber have to get every recruitment decision perfect, or just be lucky enough that young, relatively cheap signings storm the Premier League. In the £8m-ish price range bracket, you can't sign established PL quality. We have had to risk our budget on potential because we can't do more. What I'm saying here is that it isn't impossible to stay in the PL as a self-funded club, but it's incredibly difficult and you need to be pretty lucky as well as adept in your transfers. So in conclusion, unless you want to take your pitchforks to the Stowmarket Two's house, which I personally don't, then this is probably the way it's going to be for us. If it's any consolation, there are other clubs in the same boat, some who spend much more than us. WBA, Fulham, Watford and us are all doing the yo-yo dance. And even if Brentford survive this year, you can bet they will be back in the relegation scrap again the following year, and the one after that. Welcome to the modern PL era!

Just the sheer length of the time out is going to make it a huge challenge for Byram. At 28 he's still young enough to make a return but you have to think that it's a long road back to become a Premier League player. Let's hope he can get another solid couple of weeks training in and then perhaps he's a 'topic' for the U23's.

Those £5m of add-ons are almost certainly dependent on Emi starting matches, scoring goals, and playing for Argentina. We should all be wishing him the best of success.

Loads of very considered and thought out analysis here. I agree with a lot of what has been said. One thing, however, that I don't think has been given enough attention, is just how physical this league is, and how Farke has almost felt forced into putting every single 'big' athlete into the side. At the expense of using our technical players. I thought Liverpool looked like giants. Then I saw Watford, and Brighton. They were all huge sides. Dan Burn is 6 inches taller than Pierre Lees-Melou! You just don't see sides like that in the Championship. If you don't compete on set pieces, you have no chance whatsoever. And since we have two vertically challenged full backs, there's almost no choice but to put McLean, PLM and Sargent into the side just to enable us to compete. That is why this league is so brutal. Teams don't just out skill you. They out pace you, they out muscle you, they out jump you. They out think you. And when you try to compensate for one of those weapons being used against you, they use one of the others. Because, for the most part, they have better players than you.

I agree. Lest we forget, Webber said DF has the job as long as he wants it. And he tends not to say things flippantly.

Todd has had a difficult month. All he needs to do is train consistently and he will be back in the mix. There are 8 months of the season left and loads of time for him to get in contention. Tzolis, Todd and Rashica are all going to get plenty of game time this season.

We spend the majority of PL tv cash on the wage bill. So how can we be reasonably seen not to be making an effort?

Not saying it's the font of knowledge but TransferMarket has our squad valued at about £180m and that seems more accurate to me. Cantwell, Aarons and Omobamidele are going to worth in the region of £50m combined. All the new signings worth around £50-£60m conservatively speaking. Various squad players including Krul, Hanley, McLean, Rupp, Pukki, Sorensen, Idah and numerous players out on loan making up the rest.