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[quote user="king canary"]Dont care if sarcasm is low, its still funny.[/quote]   Well, that went whooshing over your heads then, didn''t it. If you found the original laboured and long-winded post funny then you have a one dimensional sense of humour.

Nothing else to do in Norfolk on a Saturday afternoon, in Winter.

[quote user="blood wagon"][quote user="All dots"][quote user="blood wagon"] [/quote]   .......... but I didn''t write that. Did I ? Or am I going mad ?! [/quote] Sorry All dots it was a quote from scooby. OK I got it wrong again lol. Sorry [/quote]   Well Bloodwagon ( ! ) if you will look at the PinkUn message board at 4.53 in the morning (really ???) what do you expect ?!  

[quote user="Scooby"] [quote user="All dots"]I have been accused of many things but naivety is not one of them. Cynical, possibly. Realistic and pragmatic, definitely. Roeder is clearly an intelligent guy. Therefore, I can see him trading in his chips whilst they still have commercial value.[/quote] By the same token then "Dotty" do you not think his "chips" will have far higher commercial value as a manager who took a team from the bottom of the Championship to the Premier League and kept them there???  Now perhaps a manager who could do that would be worth his weight in "chips" and be a target for a truly big club.  Otherwise he might only be offered a job by the likes of Bolton, Newcastle(again), Birmingham etc. I would see Glenn go with a large thank you after 3 or 4 years if he left us mid table in the Prem to go to a top 6 club.  Personally I think he''s the kind of man who sees a challenge and is prepared to meet it head on.  He wants us in the Premiership and he wants to be the man to take us there.  I can''t see him going anywhere unless the board do not keep to the promises they made to get him here in the first place. [/quote] Ah, but there''s a flaw in your argument. You said : By the same token then "Dotty" do you not think his "chips" will have far higher commercial value as a manager who took a team from the bottom of the Championship to the Premier League and kept them there???  You are already assuming that GR will achive promotion next season and that''s one whacking great big assumption.   Hypothesis : One of the bottom 10 teams in the premiership comes a calling for GR in the summer offering a great big salary and loadsamoney to spend on players. Does he :-   (A) laugh in their faces saying "no thanks" I will gamble all on being able to take Norwich up this coming season even though I know that I will not be given much money to spend (the Turners according to one poster on here today only providing expert advice on ''ealth and safety and employment legislation at the club !) ... or ...... (B) think, Mmmmm, a bird in the hand is worth two in The Nest, take the money and run i.e. instead of gambling all on a rank outsider I will cash in my chips now and leave whilst I''m ahead of the game.   The point being that this time next year, Norwich could be fighting relegation and Gr''s chips worth nothing.    

[quote user="blood wagon"] [quote user="All dots"].  I can''t see him going anywhere unless the board do not keep to the promises they made to get him here in the first place. [/quote] Just one thing there All dots, You dont know what, or even if, he has been promised anything, he just might want to do it hes way, (build a team to go up into the prem). Just to prove a point to his last clubs. But we will never know what, or if, he was promised anything, as that is between him and board. Sorry just a point. But i say good luck to him, hes done wonders since hes been here, and NO i cant see him jumping to a prem team, not till he gets us to the promised land, (or gets sacked becuse the "crowd" dont think hes doing a good job) remember we lost 5 since hes been here and after the last game some people are now saying hes a crap manager, people are so fickle. I swear some wants us to go down, just so they can say "I told you so". I guess we will have to live with them, and tell them, "I told you so" when we go up next season. Its the nature of the beast i guess, there to be shot at. [/quote]   .......... but I didn''t write that. Did I ? Or am I going mad ?!

I have been accused of many things but naivety is not one of them. Cynical, possibly. Realistic and pragmatic, definitely. Roeder is clearly an intelligent guy. Therefore, I can see him trading in his chips whilst they still have commercial value.

Citizen Foghorn (I think) said time will tell whether or not GR is more than an impact manager. Personally, I believe he will maximise on his short term achievement here and use it as a platform to get back into the premiership during the summer. Let''s face it, he must realise by now that the Directors talk a good talk when it comes to ambition and backing the manager but they just don''t deliver. And, whilst I''m at it, when did the Turners come on Board and what is the point of them ?

Said manager Glenn Roeder: “Darren Huckerby is a massive doubt with a groin injury that he said he sustained early in the game. “So for our supporters, if they see he''s not starting or even on the bench tomorrow night, it''s because he''s injured.”

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="Bigmarkcanary"] Obviously I really like Roeder, he''s doing a fantastic job, but I wouldn''t dare cross him if I worked within the club that''s for sure.   [/quote]   I just can''t understand why Roeder needed to comment like this?  He could have put the whole subject to bed earlier had he come out in the press and given us his reasons for dropping Hucks.  Hopefully this isn''t the start of the downfall of Roeder''s reign as at his previous clubs.  If little things like some fans critisism of Gibbs first performance (one so bad Roeder dropped him for a right winger playing out of position) and Neil ''Fence Sitter'' Adam''s not particuarly controversial comments have got to him that badly I wonder how he takes other comments around the club? [/quote] Couldn''t agree more with your post Citizen but others on this thread who have expressed similar and perfectly reasonable comments have been slaughtered for their temerity at any hint of criticism of Roeder. We are all in accord that Roeder has turned our club around and we all recognise that we owe him a debt of gratitude but that doesn''t mean to say that he has carte blance to to say whatever he wants and IMO his coments went to far and, worryingly, revealed an element of his character that perhaps doesn''t bode well for the future. Only my personal view of course. As a supplementary comment, it wouldn''t surprise me if he left in the summer for a premiership club anyway. Cue GBH for N R Us and 1st Wiz etc.

Norwich R Us - Completely disagree with you on your main point and as for the rest you just rambled off the subject. I don''t think for one moment that any NCFC fan thinks that GR is anything but an excellent manager and none of us need you or anybody else to show us the current form table. We know it already. But none of that means that we fans lose the right to criticize Roeder if feel the need to and I, for one, agree that his comments about Neil Adams are out of order, nasty and unnecesary. As it happens, I enjoy listening to NA on Canary Call and I do believe he has the right to have an opinion. After all, he isn''t a BBC newscaster who by definition, if not in practice, should be neutral.

She''s even featured in Retail Weekly !  

[quote user="diabolicalmastermind"]Living in Yorkshire myself I''ve always thought of Hull as a rugby town anyway. Much like Wigan is.[/quote]   Blimey, that''s a killer point ! I thought the debate was about potential fan bases, sizes of local populations etc not whether or not you thought that K on Hull is a rugby town. I saw that Hull Fc had an attendance recently of close on 20K, now that you have raised the point what''s the average Hull KR home attendance ? I really don''t know so I''m not making any point apart from just being curious.

I agree with smallest man, Greeno definitely didn''t do himself any favours by revealing his irritation at being ignored by Capello. Who would you rank as the top six English goalies and should the list include Almunia or whatever his name is ?

[quote user="Steve H"]Here''s an idea 1st.... until you have acquired a brain for thyself, shut thy gob![/quote]   Both unnecessarily offensive and mindlessly moronic, don''t you think ? Seems to me that you''re the one with the vacant skull cavity.

[quote user="1st Wizard"] Until you''ve actually signed someone, shut thy gob!. I happen to think you''re an ok manager, but getting desperate fans hopes up is just plain wrong,  just like you have now on two seperate occassions. Stop it!.[8o|] [/quote]   And....... stop going on about your friendship with Arsene Wenger and all things Arsenal.

I am amazed at how many fans so readily accept a humiliating defeat by a team at the bottom of the old 4th division and over two games. I''m not an up and down fan and I have supported Norwich through thick and thin all my life and believe me there''s been plenty of thin over that time. It''s a complete no brainer that beating Bury and getting through to the next round is far more beneficial to the club, players and fans. More income and sustained high morale. Someone said something along the lines of "Oh well who needed two trips to Soton in 5 days" as though that would have been extreme penury. What absolute squit. Roeder is rightly furious about the performance, the missed oppportunity and the fact that our unbeaten run was ended so ignominiously at such a lowly club as Bury in potentially such an important competition. What else have we got to play for - avoiding the drop and mid table security ? A run in the FA Cup would have created excitement, income and been great for the players and everyones'' morale.   Fronm the Pink Un today : "City boss Glenn Roeder is planning a series of face-to-face meetings with individual players at Colney tomorrow in the aftermath of last night''s embarrassing FA Cup exit at Bury." That says it all for me. No argument no need for discussion and absolutely no need for moronic posts in denial.

I am amazed at how many fans so readily accept a humiliationg defeat by a team at the bottom of the old 4th division and over two games. I''m not an up and down fan and I have supported Norwich through thick and thin all my life and believe me there''s been plenty of thin over that time.   It''s a complete no brainer that beating Bury and getting through to the next round is far more beneficial to the club, players and fans. More income and suststained high morale. Someone said something along the lines of "Oh well who needed two trips to Soton in 5 days" as though that would have been extreme penury. What absolute squit. Roeder is furious about the performance, the missed oppportunity and the fact that our unbeatend run was ended so ignominiously at such a lowly club as Bury in potentially such an important competition. What else have we got to play for - avoiding the drop and mid table security ? A run in the FA Cup would have created excitement, income and been great for the players and everyones'' morale.     Fronm the Pink Un today : "City boss Glenn Roeder is planning a series of face-to-face meetings with individual players at Colney tomorrow in the aftermath of last night''s embarrassing FA Cup exit at Bury."   That says it all for me. No argument no need for discussion and absolutely no need for moronic posts in denial.

[quote user="Evil Monkey"]How''s about this one - I live in Manchester, and am friends with people who live in Bury and am currently sitting at work... luckily, none of them give a stuff about football, but even if they did it wouldn''t bother me coming into work, it''s only the FA Cup and we never do well anyway. If you get upset whenever someone insults your football club, you can''t have developed a very thick skin... I think they should sell them in the Canaries Shop, we all need them these days! [/quote]   Well Monkey if "none of the people you work with give a stuff about football" you are in a completely different situation from me then, aren''t you ? So, your reply is irrelevant.  

[quote user="jas the barclay king"] this reminds me of when we were in the Prem.   Losing to arsenal at Carrow Road, in a match i personally thought we played very well in... I went to the loo at half time when were 3-0 down and 2 chaps were shaking their heads saying it was "painful to watch" and "this is awful!" and "it hurts to see us like this" when i pointed out that we are playing arsenal and its extremely unlikely we will beat them and that we had actually played well they looked at me, paused, shook their heads and said "painful to watch!" Idiots! jas :) [/quote]   Sorry Jas, not sure what your point is. But you seem to be saying what i am. My family and I were at the Arsenal game too and, like you, we felt no embarrassment at the scoreline although (A) Bergkamps gaol at the end exaggerated the defeat (B) Arsenal should have had a player sent off when Hucks was fouled making a beeline for goal when i think the score was only 1 or 2 nil. In any case, losing to Bury over two games home and away and when we only just scraped a draw at home is the complete opposite - did p---s me off and has caused me embarrassment and probably only because I am such a passionate Norwich supporter and have been all my life and some of the replies to my original post have been quite simply moronic.

[quote user="Tom NCFC"][quote user="All dots"][quote user="Tom NCFC"] [quote user="All dots"]Disgraceful. Yet again I had to drive into work steeling myself for the inevitable jibes and jeering which duly occurred. Thanks Norwich.[/quote] Have you ever considered leaving your job in Ipswich? [/quote]   Sorry that I have to say this Tom but you really are a bit of a twit to write this. You obviously haven''t read my message or, if you did, you have a concentration span of one second. Shall I say that again........ and again............and again ...........Oh God I give up. [/quote] Apologies, I didn''t see your 2nd post! [/quote]   Blimey Tom, they broke the mould when they made you. Apology accepted. Apology accepted. Apology accepted. Only joking, and sorry I jumped down your throat but I guess I was getting cheesed off with some of the replies I was reading.

[quote user="August 64"] [quote user="All dots"]Disgraceful. Yet again I had to drive into work steeling myself for the inevitable jibes and jeering which duly occurred. Thanks Norwich.[/quote] Spare a thought for those of us who had to drive home after the game then!  I got home at 3 AM and it didn''t feel any better then than it had at 10 PM.  As to work - I haven''t had a single person mention it to me.  That must mean either that I am a hard man who can strike fear into peoples hearts with a single glance or that nobody I work with gives a monkeys whether Norwich win or lose - sadly the latter seems by far the most likely reason.  My long-suffering wife told me that we were the next to last game on MOTD despite being the biggest upset - at the moment we don''t even register on the radar of the average "football supporter".  August 64 [/quote]   Believe me, I fully appreciate how you feel. I have driven to Norwich from Southsea with my children full of hope, excitement and expectation only to drive all the way back (more times tha I care to remember)the same day feeling dejected after an abysmal defeat. On the other hand, we have driven back many times glowing with satisfaction (particularly after beating Saints) listening to sports report. That''s what being a fan of Norwich is all bout. Bitter sweet !

[quote user="1st Wizard"] If you took a poll of Premier and Championship clubs, giving them the option of ditching the FA Cup, I think you''d be shocked as to how many of them would opt out. Had we won last night, we would have had to play Southampton away, twice in 4 days. Trust me, at this vital stage of the league campaign, we just don''t need that!. [:|] From my post on Carrowroad.net [/quote]   What nonsense you write. Glenn Roeder expected to win and didn''t want to lose making the point that he would rather have a winning run, FA Cup included, than lose against Bury and fall into the "now we can conentrate on the league crap". It''s only a short while ago that many on here were accepting that we would be relegated (not me) but that at least we could concentrate on the Cup ! As for last night, of course we have all got over it but it doesn''t mean that many of us shouldn''t be thoroughly p_____d off as indeed Roeder himslef is.

[quote user="Tom NCFC"] [quote user="All dots"]Disgraceful. Yet again I had to drive into work steeling myself for the inevitable jibes and jeering which duly occurred. Thanks Norwich.[/quote] Have you ever considered leaving your job in Ipswich? [/quote]   Sorry that I have to say this Tom but you really are a bit of a twit to write this. You obviously haven''t read my message or, if you did, you have a concentration span of one second. Shall I say that again........ and again............and again ...........Oh God I give up.

[quote user="we8wba"]as said on another post, it happens to all teams. least you have game to get over it straight away. i wont be mentioned after saturday and it wont be remembered till the 4th round that they knocked you out.[/quote]     I have been really touched by the sympathy and understanding expressed by fellow fans on my thread. Perhaps I should have mentioned that I live and work in Southsea with mostly Saints but some Portsmouth supporters so unlike most of you on this thread I was faced with derision when I arrived at work. Most of you probably live in Norfolk so you have no idea what it’s like to have the club you have supported all your life insulted to your face and, yes, over recent years I have had to put up with a helluva lot. Not nice. Oh, and yes of course I will get over it, already have. Unsurprisingly, supporting Norwich, I have learned to develop a very thick skin. I had the prospect of seeing 2 Norwich v Saints games within 5 days and thought to myself “Ok, we haven’t been Soton away since 1994 (so, yes, I approach these games with trepidation every season) but with 2 in 5 days surely we will win one of them” but, nope, that’s now evaporated and I can’t seen Saints being buried by Bury – can you ? Flipping heck, we had TWO opportunities to beat Bury, the first one at home, but they still beat us over 180 minutes. And to complete my misery Saints will probably beat us at St marys as well……………… oh, and please don’t get too excited, much of this is tongue in cheek. and, no, it''s not feasible for me to move to another company.

Disgraceful. Yet again I had to drive into work steeling myself for the inevitable jibes and jeering which duly occurred. Thanks Norwich.