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  1. [quote user="Geeza in Yellow"] I dont think it''s as clear-cut as saying it was definitely PG or the boards fault.  Afterall aren''t you forgetting another important component of any possible failure/success - the PLAYERS themselves.  The way I see it, we have a squad that is more than capable of challenging for the play-off positions at the very least (that is providing that we bring in a new centre back and central midfielder).  Therefore, if they fall short once more, I think certain questions must be asked about the player''s commitment to the cause.  Any failure this season (or any season for that matter) can have many contributory factors, including injuries, international call-ups, players leaving (against the managers wishes), insufficient transfer activity during the pre-season / January transfer window period and of course employing the wrong tactics/players. Whilst both the board and the manager can be held to account over some of the above factors, its not as easy as saying it was one particular parties fault, especially as some factors are unavoidable.  Overall I think with a little bit of luck and a couple more quality additions, we may have no real need to blame anyone for anything. [/quote] I think it must be clear cut after 10 or so seasons dont you?
  2. [quote user="Shack Attack"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"] Martin Hunter is highly rated [/quote] By who? PG has gradually cleared out all of the deadwood asscoiated with the last two years of failure, Hunter was part of that so he''s been moved on. Simple as that. The fact that you criticise the board for ''spin'' but use so much of it yourself is, quite frankly, laughable. [/quote] Why didnt Grant get rid off him then?
  3. [quote user="chicken"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="paint_me_yellow"][quote user="Cluck "][quote user="koimatsuba"] Hi All, lets just say this is not a moan, just a general post about my conserns for this season coming ..... I like Grant, speaks from the Heart, never gives an inch with the squad and shows the kind of determination we need at Norwich. I like the Summer signings, Ok Earnie was gone at the end of last season for me (or sooner), and Euthu played some good games but not enough of them. But my only consern is the teams Consistency rating. What I mean is the only way to win the championship is to win and play well consistently. With the confidence high and home wins a must, the away form just follows the flow. This was proven in 2003-4 and with Reading, Portmouth and more recently Sunderlands late run. Sunderland were nowhere in September, October, yet after Christmas they were undefeated until almost the end of the season until Chochester beat them. I say its my consern because the freindly games we have played so far show this inconsistency from last season, I know its too soon and we have injury problems, new players bedding in etc, lets just hope that we start with a win against Preston and then we can build on it.   So how do you all feel? Confident for the new season? Worried about the defense still? Like the New front line up? Think the Midfield is stronger with Euthu and now with Breillier and Smith? Cheers All (roll on this season starting!!!!) [/quote] No..... The only consistency shown to date is that our "better" players are regularly played out of position to fill the yawning gaps left by the usual suspects. Too much tinkering without enough managerial experience to carry it off........ [/quote] Smudger on holiday is he? Asked you to take care of things whilst hes away has he? [/quote] Im sure cluck,smudge and anyone else with a gripe regarding tne board can speak for themselfs so leave out the sarcasm, its somewhat tiresome mate. Its no wonder this countries going down the pan! [/quote] Down the pan?!!! The problem with this country is the distribution of wealth and the way that everyone thinks they should have more. Read the papers - its all about how things could be done better at this that or the other after the event has happened. Sport is no different. The problem is the people who make no noise and try and get on with their lives quietly are often accused of being apathetic or "sheep". Neither of which encourage anyone of them to stand up and say much. Why is it that the people who have the most feel that they should be heard more? Or that the people who have worked the least say they deserve more? I am not going to get into this too much but you want to look at who your main supporters are on here Arthur, they shed light on what a group you are. Any campaigns set up so far have failed primarily because they are founded around diss-respectful ideas. As for this country going down the pan, I can discuss that with you for hours, days months and years if needs be but not on here. And sarcasm unfortunately is a symptom. [/quote] ''''The problem is the people who make no noise and try and get on with there lives quietly are accussed of being sheep''''??????  HA HA i ve heard it all now mate. What on this site? you are joking? Come on chicken [or should that che?] Get real mate!!!
  4. [quote user="Geeza in Yellow"]Are any of you guys going to the West Ham match on tuesday?  If so, what sort of a welcome will you be giving to the 3 ex-canaries on display? (Green, Ashton, Bellamy).[/quote] All 3 done the club a great service and it is out of order to single them out for abuse. Ashton took all the flack for his move yet it was the board who put a price tag on his head, lied that he was injured in the fa cup game, denied talking to west ham etc so imo he has done no worse than Green leaving a sinking ship to better his career. It was Ashton after all that gave us that glimmer of hope that we maight stay up when we were in the prem. The guy is more than welcome back.
  5. [quote user="mbncfc"] [quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="paint_me_yellow"][quote user="Cluck "] No..... The only consistency shown to date is that our "better" players are regularly played out of position to fill the yawning gaps left by the usual suspects. Too much tinkering without enough managerial experience to carry it off........ [/quote] Smudger on holiday is he? Asked you to take care of things whilst hes away has he? [/quote] Im sure cluck,smudge and anyone else with a gripe regarding tne board can speak for themselfs so leave out the sarcasm, its somewhat tiresome mate. Its no wonder this countries going down the pan! [/quote] Possibly a little harsh blaming the floods on him Arthur? I''m afraid consistency is simply a euphemism for being good. If you have a talented team, solid tactics and understanding of them, they will win games and be considered ''consistent''. If a player/team cannot produce the goods often enough, they are simply not good enough. For example, Barnsley won away at Stoke then lost at home to us. Would we describe them on here as inconsistent, or poor? [/quote] LOL
  6. Does anyone think we will go up this season? has anyone ever seen a bookie on a bike?
  7. [quote user="cityangel"] Think Hunter wasn''t happy when he didnt get the Manager''s job Arthur and even less happy when Grant brought his friend Duffy in. I don''t think its anything to do with Watford having more ambition than us, I think its more a clash of personalities. [/quote] Dearest CA, i do value your opinion to an extent but how you find excuses for everything that goes wrong is beyond me. Martin Hunter is highly rated so why didnt the board fight tooth and nail to keep him? If it was a personality clash why leave during pre season training and not before and why did PG say he was so upset he left so close to the season?
  8. [quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="BigFish"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="JC"] Interesting as a detractor that you see a top 6 finish with no mention of play off final or eventual promotion, as a success. If we scrape into 6th but are 15 points behind 5th is that success? [quote user="Arthur Whittle"] Hyperthetical question-where would you stand if we have another dismal season, and who would you blame? Im asking this question on this site because the majority of people i know away from this site are fed up and are against the board. So if the worst does happen do you see it as Pg failing or the board failing? At the end of the day, the board sanctions transfers, makes funds available etc. On the other hand if we have a good season and finish top 6 is it the board or Pg who take the credit? Also what would be your idea of a good/successful season posistion wise? [/quote][/quote] Pushing for the play offs towards the last few games is improvement although i wouldnt say success as that could ahve been achieved over the last 2 years.. Anything other than that is complete failure for the 4th year running so please dont twist my words into an argument. [/quote] Bottom line is three teams will be successful and three will be failures. The rest are in it for the ride. It won''t be the board or PG, football is played by footballers! [/quote] Hang on..who buys and motivates the players and picks the tactics and training? who authorisies the transfer of players and contracts? who employs the manager? At the end of the day the buck always stops at the top although those at the top normally look for a scapegoat. [/quote] Arthur, do you ever get the feeling we are debating with the "new breed" of supporters who have decided that they are football experts after three or four years watching the game......?! [/quote] I do feel there are a certain amount of people who jumped on the promotion and play off bandwagon, so e are agreed my friend.
  9. [quote user="ricky knight"][quote user="The Sheriff"] PG tells the board which players he wants if they back him and bring them in and we don''t do well definatly Grants fault , If the board don''t back him then they can be blamed. Tricky one though we could have a lot of injurys with both parties giving their all and then it would be no ones fault. I wasn''t a PG fan to begin with but am very impressed with his attitude of '' if they dont want to be here then they can go '' towards players and staff a winning mentality Imo. [/quote] I am more worried why they dont want to be here, i mean Hunter going to Watford hardly a step up is it. Talk is cheap its action we need. [/quote] Exactly what i was thinking. Why would hunter leave norwich for the mighty watford unless they are showing more ambition?
  10. [quote user="BigFish"][quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"] [quote user="nutty nigel"]  the protests against Chase in the 90''s. It''s all results driven. Poor results/league position = protest, end of. [/quote] But surely the protests against Chase were deserved, as it was found he had wasted so much money and almost sent the club to the wall?? [/quote] Chase was doing all those things when we were in the premiership CJF - the protests didn''t happen until we had been struggling in this league for nearly a season. They were results driven. As were the protests against South after we were relegated and as were the protests against Watling in the 60''s. After we won promotion in 2004 some of the loudest critics of the current board now were advocating a statue of Delia. The strategy then was the same, it''s always been the same.   [/quote] I totally disagree Nutty. Until promotion the board barely put a foot wrong in my eyes and i would say that their approach was ambitious considering that in those days we genuinely were hard up as a club. I bought shares and bricks in the South stand for young relations. Then upon promotion the club embarked on a new infill, new pitch etc. and we were told that, despite a guaranteed £35million over 3 seasons, we couldn`t afford Crouch or Ashton and signed Doherty to play upfront instead. And it has been much the same story ever since. I think that on promotion the board had a strategic decision to make-whether to invest most of the Prem. cash in the team in the hope of further lucrative success, or to take the "safe" option of investing in the infrastructure to create a solid base to build from in the future. They chose the latter, so i think the strategy did change. I for one am not content to amble along as a nice club (or should that be diversified plc.?) with great facilities putting on a pleasant family spectacle every other week, watching clubs with drive, passion and ambition leave us standing. Even Colchester managed that last season. [/quote] Who are these clubs, Mr Carrow? Seems like most middling Championship clubs are broadly acting the same way. Southampton & West Brom are going through the trauma of selling their stars. Colchester have lost theirs. Palace, Watford, Sheff U & W, Wolves are all shopping in the same pool. Coventry & Lecester arn''t pulling up any trees, Preston sold Nugent........it goes on. Remember it wasn''t so long ago that the board was getting crucified for not putting a second tier on the South Stand as a sign of lack of ambition. The root of this is we had players who on paper would do the job and didn''t and all the business strategy in the world couldn''t sort that. Seeing as you brought up Colchester there is a good example of making a little go a long way and shows what is possible if a team is built (from the football side of a club) and if Grant can do that with NCFC''s greater resources we will be OK. OTBC [/quote]   Am i missing something? Wolves,leicester-takeover by ambitious forigen investors spending money, Preston beat off clubs for Nugent for 3 seasons before finally having no choice but to sell, watford, charlton,sheff utd all came down and spending money-something our board failed to do when we came down,coventry and sheff wed active in transfer market. Fair enough saints have sold a few but thats down to problems with there board, no different to those that we have. i dont get your point...sorry not being rude.  
  11. [quote user="paint_me_yellow"][quote user="Cluck "][quote user="koimatsuba"] Hi All, lets just say this is not a moan, just a general post about my conserns for this season coming ..... I like Grant, speaks from the Heart, never gives an inch with the squad and shows the kind of determination we need at Norwich. I like the Summer signings, Ok Earnie was gone at the end of last season for me (or sooner), and Euthu played some good games but not enough of them. But my only consern is the teams Consistency rating. What I mean is the only way to win the championship is to win and play well consistently. With the confidence high and home wins a must, the away form just follows the flow. This was proven in 2003-4 and with Reading, Portmouth and more recently Sunderlands late run. Sunderland were nowhere in September, October, yet after Christmas they were undefeated until almost the end of the season until Chochester beat them. I say its my consern because the freindly games we have played so far show this inconsistency from last season, I know its too soon and we have injury problems, new players bedding in etc, lets just hope that we start with a win against Preston and then we can build on it.   So how do you all feel? Confident for the new season? Worried about the defense still? Like the New front line up? Think the Midfield is stronger with Euthu and now with Breillier and Smith? Cheers All (roll on this season starting!!!!) [/quote] No..... The only consistency shown to date is that our "better" players are regularly played out of position to fill the yawning gaps left by the usual suspects. Too much tinkering without enough managerial experience to carry it off........ [/quote] Smudger on holiday is he? Asked you to take care of things whilst hes away has he? [/quote] Im sure cluck,smudge and anyone else with a gripe regarding tne board can speak for themselfs so leave out the sarcasm, its somewhat tiresome mate. Its no wonder this countries going down the pan!
  12. [quote user="BigFish"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="JC"] Interesting as a detractor that you see a top 6 finish with no mention of play off final or eventual promotion, as a success. If we scrape into 6th but are 15 points behind 5th is that success? [quote user="Arthur Whittle"] Hyperthetical question-where would you stand if we have another dismal season, and who would you blame? Im asking this question on this site because the majority of people i know away from this site are fed up and are against the board. So if the worst does happen do you see it as Pg failing or the board failing? At the end of the day, the board sanctions transfers, makes funds available etc. On the other hand if we have a good season and finish top 6 is it the board or Pg who take the credit? Also what would be your idea of a good/successful season posistion wise? [/quote][/quote] Pushing for the play offs towards the last few games is improvement although i wouldnt say success as that could ahve been achieved over the last 2 years.. Anything other than that is complete failure for the 4th year running so please dont twist my words into an argument. [/quote] Bottom line is three teams will be successful and three will be failures. The rest are in it for the ride. It won''t be the board or PG, football is played by footballers! [/quote] Hang on..who buys and motivates the players and picks the tactics and training? who authorisies the transfer of players and contracts? who employs the manager? At the end of the day the buck always stops at the top although those at the top normally look for a scapegoat.
  13. [quote user="JC"] Interesting as a detractor that you see a top 6 finish with no mention of play off final or eventual promotion, as a success. If we scrape into 6th but are 15 points behind 5th is that success? [quote user="Arthur Whittle"] Hyperthetical question-where would you stand if we have another dismal season, and who would you blame? Im asking this question on this site because the majority of people i know away from this site are fed up and are against the board. So if the worst does happen do you see it as Pg failing or the board failing? At the end of the day, the board sanctions transfers, makes funds available etc. On the other hand if we have a good season and finish top 6 is it the board or Pg who take the credit? Also what would be your idea of a good/successful season posistion wise? [/quote][/quote] Pushing for the play offs towards the last few games is improvement although i wouldnt say success as that could ahve been achieved over the last 2 years.. Anything other than that is complete failure for the 4th year running so please dont twist my words into an argument.
  14. failure to me is not making the top 6. We will have been in this league for 3 seasons, have had money come in and there is no reason why we cant compete. How many clubs in this league are bigger than norwich? Potenially none!
  15. Anyone seen my latest piece of art? im so glad its going out to a wider audience because,and as much as i love this site and everyones opinion, i do feel it can be a little one sided.
  16. [quote user="Stevo"]If you don''t get to pose your questions through the Q&A, you can always email him? I sent a long-winded rant raising several points and got into an email conversation which eventually led to a phone call from him. In fairness, he gave pretty convincing responses to every issue I raised and I appreciated the fact he bothered to answer my queries.[/quote] whats his email address?
  17. [quote user="Shack Attack"] Depends. If PG is denied the funds that he needs to build a side that can challenge for a play off place then I guess that would be the board''s fault. However, if there''s a decent amount of money available and he wastes it on players who are not capable then that''s his fault. If we have a succesful season who will you give credit to? [/quote] I would give the credtit to PG. He is the one who has signed the players but at the same time if it does turn sour i would blame the board if they fail to make further funds available, if they do and Pg wastes it then its PGs fault. What do you class as a successful season?
  18. Hyperthetical question-where would you stand if we have another dismal season, and who would you blame? Im asking this question on this site because the majority of people i know away from this site are fed up and are against the board. So if the worst does happen do you see it as Pg failing or the board failing? At the end of the day, the board sanctions transfers, makes funds available etc. On the other hand if we have a good season and finish top 6 is it the board or Pg who take the credit? Also what would be your idea of a good/successful season posistion wise?
  19. [quote user="BigFish"]Just think what misery it must be to a Forest fan - in the time we were "improving" they were winning trophies (like two Euro Cups) or Leeds being in the Champions League........get real, wake up and smell the coffee nothing lasts forever or guarantees success. That is just how it is (unless you want to support Man U).[/quote] You are dead right Big Fish nothing lasts forever but imo you can either sit back and except that and live with those great memories or you can stand up and try to make those wonderful times reality again. Its always worth ago mate.
  20. [quote user="1st Wizard"] God!, thats a hard question lappinitup, so I''ll wimp out and pick my top 3 and in order, okay?. 1. Mike Walker Mk1 and II 2. Dave Stringer. 3. Ron Saunders. Managers I had no time for. 1. Nigel Worthington. 2. Gary Megson 3. Agent Hamiliton. [/quote] I know this is a little snide so i opoligise now but interesting to see how many of your choice of poor managers have came under the current board.
  21. [quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"] Yes, Nutty. Wonderful stuff from the heart, but it''s on the wrong thread. What does this have to do with this thread and my post? The bottom line is results. And this board is missing the benchmarks by a mile. Regretably. OTBC [/quote] Possibly the reason you don''t think this has anything to do with your post is that you seem to want to pick and choose which parts of the past you want to use for your benchmark Bly. If your post was about using the past to measure the present then my post would be relavent. It seems to me that the only thing that matters to you over the last 10 years is our league position. Yet back in the 50''s and 60''s you appreciated the things I still enjoy now, the excitement, the football, the footballers and the atmosphere. Why is that? [/quote] I believe the answer Nutty, although many of us may not wish to admit it ( even to ourselves ), is that fans and society in general have changed. Today, the demand for satisfaction is more immediate. I want what I want now. I don''t even believe it''s about the last ten years. If the television channel doesn''t give the required satisfaction level today or, more importantly, even if it does, the remote control allows us to get other momentary satisfaction in short bursts. Many say they will be "satisfied" if Norwich are competing in the top six of the Championship. I don''t believe that will satisfy most even if it''s achieved. You make some good points Nutty about some good things occurring during the past decade but in today''s world of "I want it when I want it and I want it now", those thoughts, I''m afraid, ring hollow for many. [/quote] In the 50s,60s and 70s we slowly bettered ourselves as a decent club and the 80s and early 90s we set a standard only for chase to take that away. I think imo the reason people remember those days as great because it was all new to us. Ive had some great memories over the last 10yrs [albeit not the last 3 or so] but the constant disapointment and failure to hold on and continue to give us great times outweighs the good times so my memories of the last decade are somewhat overshadowed. In a nutshell i suppose Your right Yankee. Ive tasted it and i want more and it doesnt help when the board state the same and not deliever.
  22. [quote user="gazzathegreat"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="cityangel"][quote user="Greg Sayer"] [quote user="Arthur Whittle"] I did sell mine the other day after having one for 35 years to my sons friend whos now moved back to norfolk from the states. To be honest i was thinking about it last season as i feel im just getting to old for it all and would rather spend time with my granchildren but imo the board made that decision all to easy for me this time round . But im sure i''ll miss the buzz and as my wife keeps telling me i''ll no doubt renew it next season.[/quote]   does that mean you`ve sold your Discounted Senior Citizans ticket to someone whos isnt eligable for one?? and did you sell it at face value???? ;) ;) ;) [/quote] On a serious note you might need to look into that Arthur, because if he''s usiing your card for one season as you suggest he might not get in as the senior citizens cards are a completely different colour to the under 60''s cards and the stewards will pick that up at the turnstile. [/quote] Thanks it actually never crossed my mind! Do you think its possible to keep the ticket and maybe make up the difference in price? [/quote]   It''s quite easy to do, you just go to the box office and they will change it for your friend and he can pay the difference.  I had to do it to go in on son''s junior ticket a few times.   [/quote] Thanks for that Gazza and CA.
  23. What a great thread Wiz, no silly arguement no snide digss just great memories! Im going to have a drink and think of those times....Cheers!
  24. [quote user="cityangel"][quote user="Greg Sayer"] [quote user="Arthur Whittle"] I did sell mine the other day after having one for 35 years to my sons friend whos now moved back to norfolk from the states. To be honest i was thinking about it last season as i feel im just getting to old for it all and would rather spend time with my granchildren but imo the board made that decision all to easy for me this time round . But im sure i''ll miss the buzz and as my wife keeps telling me i''ll no doubt renew it next season.[/quote]   does that mean you`ve sold your Discounted Senior Citizans ticket to someone whos isnt eligable for one?? and did you sell it at face value???? ;) ;) ;) [/quote] On a serious note you might need to look into that Arthur, because if he''s usiing your card for one season as you suggest he might not get in as the senior citizens cards are a completely different colour to the under 60''s cards and the stewards will pick that up at the turnstile. [/quote] Thanks it actually never crossed my mind! Do you think its possible to keep the ticket and maybe make up the difference in price?
  25. [quote user="Attack Barclay 2nd Half"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"] the board made that decision all to easy for me this time round [/quote] Can you link to where you''ve explained what the board have done wrong AW? You slagging is vague and ambiguous. [/quote] No sorry now jog along mate its called MY OPINION
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