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  1. GJP

    WELL DONE PETER GRANT

    Nigel Worhtington was a good manager for this club, absolutely no doubt it. If Peter Grant does as well as Nigel did for Norwich then I''ll be quite impressed.

     

  2. [quote user="jjblyss"]

    ryan jarvis, rossi jarvis, halliday and ian henderson....don''t write these 4 off they are all talented players who just lack exposure to playing week in week out, i believe PG rates all four but also he realises that especially in the case of ryan jarvis and ian henderson they were mis-used by his predecessor, henderson often played out of position and jarvis jsut put under either to much pressure or lost confidence either way lets support these guys they are young and whether you realise or not they are inexperienced and a stadium can be a daunting place when fans go against you.

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    While I agree with some of the comments you made later on in the post about the senior players I really think you''re giving some of them youngsters a bit too much credit. Giving people games or playing them in their favoured position doesn''t suddenly mean they''ll become quality professionals. Those 4 particular players would never make the grade at a club which has a stronger acadaemy system.Nigel Worthington realised they weren''t up to it and PG will be exactly the same. They have to give 1 or 2 a run every so often as a token gesture but aside from Joe Lewis there aren''t any young players at the club who stand out as being good enough to make the grade.

    We need to be more ruthless with the academy....players that just aren''t cutting it need to be kicked out rather than just letting them sit on the fringes of the first team for 4 years.

  3. GJP

    Nigel Worthington to Coventry

    [quote user="Matt Hudson"]I thought this might happen when adams left. I know worthy is happy and settled in the area with family and so a move to coventry would mean he wouldnt need to move. Coventry are in a very similar position to norwich were when worthy took over, and remember he did take us to the play offs and the premiership, and just think a more ambition board signing ashton 6 months earlier and we probably would have stayed in the premiership, and worthy would have been worshipped, the rest is history but i reckon he could do a good job at coventry.[/quote]

    Yeah, I agree. It was time for him to go but overall Nigel Worthington did more good than bad for this club. He made mistakes but all managers do, he got us to a play-off final and then later into the Prem and signed come quality players in his time here. I know there is a lit of duffers he signed but if you can get the likes of Hucks and Earnie to Norwich and actually wanting to play for the club then you''re definitely doing something right.

  4. [quote user="Saint Canary"]

    [quote user="GJP"]

    I don''t think the Lucas Neill example is anywhere near as bad as you seem to think. It''ll be the last big move of his career and he won''t want to run the risk of not playing regularly, Steve Finnan is obviously very much part of the setup at Liverpool. Also Neill hass played for a London club before and has commented in the past (way before it was ever mentioned that he''d leave Blackburn) that he didn''t like the area he was living in - so maybe he fancied a move back to London. West Ham are also a fairly big club and in the grand scheme of things they''d still be considered a bigger club than Blackburn who he has left. So add a massive wage packet to that and I don''t think he''s done too much wrong.

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    Sorry but I disagree with just about every word of that.  West Ham are a fairly big club I agree but Liverpool are massive.  One is fighting relegation, the other qaulifies for the Champions League every season.  In the last decade Liverpool have won the FA Cup and two Eurpopean tophies.  West Ham have won jack and spent two years in the Fizzy league.  Add in the fact that Liverpool are the club you have always supported and the move to West Ham seems more and more motivated by money and nothing else.

    You mention Finnan is a fixture at Anfield but he is hardly a world class player and Neill should be able to win a place there, he just doesn''t want to.  He is not up for a challenge, he wants the easy life of a promised starting place and more money.  He could have gone to Liverpool and won something, instead he has gone elsewhere for a quick buck.

    I also cannot agree with the last big move theory either, if West Ham go down you watch him activate his "release clause", or do you think he will stay because he wants to live in London? 

    What I will agree with is that he has done nothing wrong.  What he has done though is added to list of reasons why fans are being turned off Premiership football because it''s all about money and football is secondary.

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    Steve Finnan is not a world class player but he is a very consistent player in what is a pretty tight back 4. He never lets Liverpool down and I''m sure he''s a very valued part of the team. Therefore I don''t think Rafa would be particularly keen to mix things up just because Lucas Neill is available. I''m sure if Liverpool really wanted Neill then they would have got him. West Ham clearly really really wanted him and they''ve got him.

    The Premiership is pretty much the best league in the world so I can''t see why money issues would stop a real football fan watching it. Just because Lucas Neill is pocketing £70k a week isn''t going to stop me watching Ronaldo, Henry, Rooney, Essien and the rest.

  5. [quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="GJP"][quote user="Hump"]

    At present if you were a young lad why would you sign a Pro contract for Norwich?

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    Because you realise that you''re not very good and Norwich is the biggest club you''ll have to play/sign for. No matter how much some fans of the club believe you to be better than you really are.

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    Sutton, Eadie, Bellamy, Green .. all "not very good" then GJP?

    jas :)

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    What have they got to do with anything?

    They''re all in the past.

  6. [quote user="Hump"]

    At present if you were a young lad why would you sign a Pro contract for Norwich?

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    Because you realise that you''re not very good and Norwich is the biggest club you''ll have to play/sign for. No matter how much some fans of the club believe you to be better than you really are.

  7. GJP

    Reports on Fisk from Lynn

    It''s no real surprise... our academy products are fairly poor. The only one at the moment who looks like having a chance of making it is Joe Lewis. The club make a lot of the players out to be something they''re not. Some people don''t appreciate the massive leap in quality between being a decent youth player and maybe playing for one of the mickey mouse international ranks (eg U19 or U20 as opposed to U21) and being a fully professional senior footballer.
  8. [quote user="Saint Canary"]

    For those amongst us who wonder just how our highly (and over) paid footballers just don’t perform how they should then we only need to look at Lucas Neill to see why.  He and our sorry lot are clearly in it for the money and have very little personal pride, they are just happy to draw their massive wages at the end of each week.

     

    When you look at Neill’s choice to go to West Ham over Liverpool it is absolutely ludicrous and the reasons he gives are pathetic.  Despite Liverpool being the club he has supported since he was a boy he chose not to go there because….  West Ham made him feel wanted, offered him £70k a week and guaranteed him a starting place.  Liverpool reportedly only offered £30k (how could you live on that eh?) and would not guarantee first team football.  I just can’t understand why anyone would not want to play for one of the best clubs in the world and FIGHT for a place in the side, especially one you claim to support!!!  Why does he not want to test himself by playing with and against the best?  Where is his ambition?

     

    I think Neill sums up the modern footballer well.  Football, winning, achieving something whether it be avoiding relegation from League 2 or winning the Premiership are all secondary to “How much am I getting paid?”.

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    I don''t think the Lucas Neill example is anywhere near as bad as you seem to think. It''ll be the last big move of his career and he won''t want to run the risk of not playing regularly, Steve Finnan is obviously very much part of the setup at Liverpool. Also Neill hass played for a London club before and has commented in the past (way before it was ever mentioned that he''d leave Blackburn) that he didn''t like the area he was living in - so maybe he fancied a move back to London. West Ham are also a fairly big club and in the grand scheme of things they''d still be considered a bigger club than Blackburn who he has left. So add a massive wage packet to that and I don''t think he''s done too much wrong.

  9. GJP

    13 out of contract

    Me thinks we need to keep (assuming Drury does have 18 months left) Dion, Doherty and Joe Lewis. Not too fussed about the rest. Although it would be good if PG could get McVeigh fit and motivated as there''s no doubt that he''s a quality footballer...when he''s up for it.
  10. [quote user="Evil Monkey"]Someone certainly saw you coming, Wiz, that''s for sure... [:P]

    I''m getting a little nervous, I must admit, as its starting to have echoes of the Worthy regime, but if you consider that Grant has already made two permanant signings this transfer window then he''s already matched what Worthy mananged in his part of the season!

    A quality midfielder could solve many of our problems as our defence is getting battered due to the massive hole in the middle of the park where Robinson/Hughes/Etuhu regularly sit picking their noses.  A decent partner for Safri and suddenly we could be in business. Maybe not play-offs, but at least to climb the table and salvage some pride from the season...
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    I don''t think we''re doing too badly for midfielders. I just think we''re weak in defence. The Doc isn''t playing with any confidence (personally I think he''s lost a lot of confidence since PG has been here) and Shackell and Colin are both weak defenders. I think having a couple of rock hard defenders in the team would make everything else look a lot better.

  11. GJP

    Crow in talks with Norwich

    [quote user="Evil Monkey"]



    Jarvis was never given a sustained run in the team, and he looked like he could have been quality if he''d have been given a proper chance, rather than the odd cup game and sub appearances here and there.  Worthy ruined him, as he did with Hendo and most other youngsters.  Shackell was lucky to get a run, and even then Worthy was too late in bringing him into the defence in the Prem.

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    Worthy didn''t ruin them, they''ve never been good enough. Worthy knew that and that''s why he used them very sparingly. I imagine Grant will do the same.

    You say Jarvis could have been quality but he hasn''t got any pace, he''s not very strong and he''s generally quite lazy. He doesn''t have what it takes and no matter how many games in the first team you give him it''ll never change.

     

  12. That''s a really good point in my opinion. The academy is praised up a lot but it really doesn''t produce much, most of the youth players on the fringes of the first team squad are miles and miles off being good enough.

    Having said that...I think there''s various restrictions on how far young players can travel for training etc  Making it difficult to have a wide catchment area as Norwich is so far out of the way.

  13. I fail to see why anyone would swap Drury for Ziegler or Boyle...

    Bobby Hassell at Barnsley would make a good right-back for us.

  14. I''ve always thought we should go after Tiny Taylor at Birmingham...although I can''t see him signing for Norwich these days.

     

  15. For me it was aiming to be a Charlton. Nice cosy little idea and everything...but lets face it...Charlton aren''t going to win anything.

    I''d rather we were a Bolton or a Reading or even a Sheff Utd - in other words not scared to have a bloody good go at it.

     

  16. GJP

    Who wants Martin to start?

    [quote user="Fat Barman"]I''m not an expert on City youth players, but I think GJP is being a bit harsh here.

    Jarvis does appear to lack application (not ability),

    Henderson''s had a really rough time.

    We have highly motivated, quality young players who are being selected to represent their national squads - Cave-Brown, Spillane, Renton and Lewis - and a manager who actually watches them play (unlike his predecessor). Don''t write off the Academy.
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    I don''t think I am really, I think I''m just a bit more realistic.

    Jarvis clearly lacks ability, he lacks pace and strength. If he had what it takes he''d have done something by now, I think most City fans would accept that.

    Hendo...I like him because he''s not afraid to work hard but he does lack that cutting edge. Where you''d see Hucks or Crofty drop a shoulder to beat a man and show a bit of guile Hendo doesn''t really have that in his locker.

    Do any of them boys play for their U21s? When they start playing international U21 football then you know you''ve got a bit of quality on your hands. When it''s just U19 and U20 etc it''s not the same standard.

    To describe our current academy products as being ''highly motivated, quality young players'' is completely over the top. It''s building them up to be something they''re not.

    I will say though...I rather like the look of Joe Lewis and I actually think Grant should have given him a go by now.

     

  17. [quote user="Rupethebear"]Instead of signing new players what about giving the kids a chance.[/quote]

    Most of the kids are no-way near ready/good enough. We need proven quality.

  18. GJP

    who will it be?

    Norwich probably could have had Davenport but at the time the coaching staff thought Jason Shackell was a better player... ha!
  19. Norwich really aren''t a million miles away, there''s far too much panic. Too many drama queens making it seem worse than it is.

    Thanks to Earnie''s injury we need to bring a new striker in but other than that the only area that needs real work is the defence. Colin and Shackell aren''t good enough and the Doc has lost the confidence and form he had shown.

    The midfield is looking pretty good although I don''t think Hucks looks the same player under Grant as he did under Worthy. Croft is probably trying a bit too hard at the minute but it''ll come for him. Safri is obviously quality, we all know that. Dickson isn''t doing anywhere near as bad as some seem to think but he is definitely a confidence player and he''s got a lot more ability than he sometimes shows.

    If we sign another striker now that''ll give us Earnie, Brown, Dion and whoever we sign as proper striker options. That''s not too bad. Then it also gives us the option to drop Dion into centreback.

    If we signed a couple of defenders and another striker then we''d have a good first 11 and a pretty strong bench to go with it.

    We aren''t that far away at all...just need a couple more players to come in and we''ll turn the corner.

  20. GJP

    Who wants Martin to start?

    There''s maybe only a couple of lads at the club who qualify as ''promising''. The reason Jarvis and Henderson haven''t got anywhere is because of a lack of ability, not a lack of opportunity. Just giving people games isn''t going to turn them into footballers. Norwich are short of quality youngsters.

    A lot of fans seem to love Shackell because he''s a youth product that has made it into the first team. But if Norwich were really going anywhere then he wouldn''t be in the lineup. When he hoofs the ball clear in a no nonsense kind of way everyone thinks he''s done something great but at the Plymouth game (as an example) did anybody notice when he lost headers to Kevin Gallen who''s a few inches shorter than him or when he stood off Barry Hayles so much he could get the ball down and play it everytime?

    I don''t understand why people think our youth players have got so much to offer us because just by watching the odd reserve game or what not it should be fairly clear to see that we''ve not got much to get excited about.

    Filling the team with young players will only help Norwich fall further down the table.

  21. GJP

    TEAM FOR SATURDAY?

    I''m not really sure of the team we should play on Saturday as I''ve not been keeping tabs on who''s fit etc. Personally I''m not really a fan of playing the youngsters as most of them are miles off the standard we need. People often suggest that young players who don''t often get a chance will work really hard for the team etc but look at Ryan Jarvis...he''s usually fairly lazy when he gets a game. Chris Martin looks like he''s got a bit of ability but he''s nowhere near this level yet and most of the others fall way short.

    It looks like we need 2 new centrebacks to go with our new goalkeeper. Doherty has lost the form and confidence he showed towards the end of the Worthington era and Jason Shackell just isn''t good enough. Lots of people have been very quick to put the blame on the the Doc, but Shacks is a weak centreback. I remember when we had Davenport on loan, the City staff thought they were better off with Shackell over him. But Davenport has played for Spurs and he''s now gone to West Ham. Is Shacks ever going to play for a big club like that? No chance.

    Also Jurgen Colin...intelligent on the ball, very tidy with the ball at his feet. He''s not the strongest defender ever though and his crossing is awful.

    In conclusion we need more strength at the back and obviously now another striker to come in. At least 2 new defenders and a new striker and Norwich will start to have a pretty tasty squad.

     

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