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  1. Nutty,   I have had my say on this and Beauseant has provided me with the ncessary assurance that I was seeking.   Quite frankly, I no longer care what you think as she clearly hold NCISA in contempt and you have implied that it doesnt have a right to exist "Fans don''t need a kind of trade union to take their views to the club for them".  Thanks for your views, but NCISA members can decide how NCISA will be governed/structured for themselves. As I have said, if you want change, please join and influence from within or at least respect the rights for memebers to self determine.   Over and out for me - I have had enough of the playground atmsopshere on this thread. Roll on next Saturday so that we can put the silly season behind us and concentrate upon the team.
  2. Beauseant,   Thank you for your post - I am now reassured, particulary by points  2 and 4.   I should really learn not to get too wound up by people who despise what NCISA stands for.
  3. I Say It''s Ruddy Wizard,   Fair play. It is tiring when a debate about quite a significant issue (change in direction of NCISA) is brought down to the level of insults being traded in the kindergarten.  
  4. I Say It''s Ruddy Wizard,   I thought that this was a discussion forum and not a school playground!!   Have I been offensive or not offensive enough?????
  5. [quote user="Duncan Edwards"]The change in name is less important than the change in attitude. Beauseant has, with help, set out a plan that will see NCISA or whatever it ends up, still serving some relevance. I just hope that some of the Dinosaurs who retain membership do not undermine the evolution of the group.[/quote] Beauseant,   I am interested in your comments as to what ''help'' you have had from the likes of Duncan et al and why your plans are being shared with people who are non-members of NCISA and who patently hold the organisatuion in deep content, whilst us mere fee paying members are kept in teh dark other than snippets leaked on this forum.   Up until now I think you have come across as being sensible and pragmatic, but I am now beginning to smell a rat given the way that posters opposed to NCISA are proliferating this thread, with apparent confidence that significant chnages to the organsiation are going to happen. Therefore, can you confirm whether the "plan" (as Duncan has put it) includes:   (a) stop being independent - implying alignment with the club   (b) turn NCISA into a social club   (c) anything else that may entail significant chnage??   Can the membership expect the committee''s written recomemndations as to why change is necessary as part of the AGM motions, as otherwise how are members voting by proxy going to be able to exercise any judgement?
  6. [quote user="Duncan Edwards"]You can ask what you like Foxy. I''m not a member of NCISA at present. I reckon that could change very soon though, would you suggest that I should sign up for something blindly or be sure of their direction for the future before committing to it? Now, if I want to pass comment on something that''s being discussed here, on a Norwich City message board, I will. If you want it to be a closed shop for members only, discuss it on your own site or PM fellow members, it''s open season on here. Anyway, whatever happens, I''m far more likely to join NCISA now than I was not so long ago.[/quote]   Duncan,   I have no problem with you airing your views - after this is a public discussion forum.   However, I am intrigued as to why you are so bothered how the members of an organisation to which you do not belong govern themselves. For example, as a non-member, I have no interest in how the Bayer Social Club is run and would not comment upon it even if it became the subject of a discussion on a public forum. I certainly woudlnt be telling the members how it should be run, although Ido recognise that anybody has teh right to do this.   Your reference to Beuaseant being ''helped'' and the deep interest of Nutty Nigel and yourself in the internal affairs of NCISA has the feeling like of some sort of coup to me (" could chnange very soon" in your own words) - particularry as you seen to be closer to what is going on than most NCISA members.   So whats the agenda Duncan?  
  7. Naughton is efftctively Spurs fourth choice RB behind Walker, Corluka and Hutton (all of whom are likley to be first choce for their respective countries). I am aware of the deal that brought him (and Walker as a joint package) to Spurs was rumoured to be, but strongly suspect that this was over egged in the media. Anyway, I am really excited about him joining us and agree that he is a class player. My point was that I would expect him to be challenging Martin at RB (and possibly even Bennett at RM) rather than Tierney who is a natural LB and who I think will progress further this year. If I am wrong, we will ahve an embarrsamnet of riches at LB with Naughton, Tierney, Drury and De Laet (if he is not first choice CB).
  8. Greg, Fair play - you obviously know more about your team than anyone else on here. Can I ask a question? Have you heard any reliable rumours at your end about this potential deal or are you on this site becuase this is where you heard it?
  9. [quote user="Thecanaryfan"] With Ward out thats as strong as it gets for me. Lambo wants a win tonight me thinks.   [/quote] Looks like Naughton is playing LB - not sure if he will displace Tierney when he is fit.
  10. Duncan,   Can I ask if you are a member of NCISA or not?   If you are, I assume you will make your views known. As your intimating that Beauseant has had ''help'' and that you are aware of this, I am assuming that you are connected with the committee.   If not, why are you so bothered?   If the view of the Dinosaurs (as you put it) previals through a majority vote, will you respect this decision as an expression of free will?   At present, I am personally opposed to losing our independence (not sure if that makes me a Dinosaur), but I will resepct the views of the majority if this is voted against. However, as the AGM motions have not even been issued yet, I simply cant decide how I will actually vote until I have seen the presented arguments for and against and will retain an open mind.
  11. Danns has moved to Leicester and as their creative heart, I fear for their chances this year. Furthermore, there have been persistent rumours on the QPR boards about Ambrose joining up with Warnock again. Top six looks like a very optimistic call to me.
  12. [quote user="nutty nigel"] Well there you go Des. That''s what happens when you discuss ncisa business on a public supporters forum. So can I politely suggest you approach your committee to get a discussion board going on your own web site[:|]     [/quote] Nutty,   As you have reminded me on more than occasion, this is a public forum and eveyone is entitled to comment - unless of course the moderators deem otherwise. I have no problem with your opinions being expressed other than my when it concerns my right to belong to a democratic body - which I take strong objection to.  Please accept this a reasonable point of view as I have no inclination to get it in to argument about this fundamental right.    
  13. Nutty, You are entitled to your opinions I am struggling to understand your problem with an organisation that you do not belong to. If you don’t like the way NCISA is run, either join and influence from with, ignore it or set up another body. NCISA is structured as a democratic body to represent the views of its members. Can I politely suggest that as a non-member that you cant suggest that members don’t need to be in a trade union (as you have put it) when they joined of their own free will. By all means feel to criticise, but please don’t confuse this with the right of NCISA to exist and to be determined by the majority of its members. I don’t have any liking for any of the political parties that have or are governing our country, but I fully support the right of those members to join these parties and to influence their policy. I simply choose to ignore them. On a separate note, I believe that NCISA should remain independent, but I will respect the views of the majority and not renew if I don’t like it. Equally, if the club want to start a supporters club, I may also join this too. After all we are supporters in different ways and I feel that we do not need to be told how we express support. For the record, I am completely unconnected with the committee and have no intention of standing for election.  
  14. Smudger, A good post. We will experience bad times again, but hopefully not for some time and I believe that supproters should have an independent voice when this happens. If  the menbership fo NCISA dont want this anymore, then I guess there is nothing to stop a new group forming when the need arises.   Leeds Canary, You are right about the workload expected by volunteers on committees, but recent communication from NCISA has been virtually non existant. Surely simply sending out e-mail bulletins occassionally would not be onerous. Clearly, if there are (perhaps understandably) no volunteers for undertaking a listening exercise from the membership, this raises the importance of the committee making a clear ecomendation about the future direction of travel which is either backed or rejected by the membership through a voting process. Anything in between these options doesnt really do it for me - other than the default of perpetuating the status quo.
  15. Rumours initiated by brand new posters typically tend to resemble something that begins with ''b'' and ends in ''it'', particulary those that involve " I have a friend who....".
  16. Smudger, I think the composition of the committee is likely to less contentious than the intimated change in direction, which rightly ought to be tested with the membership. 
  17. Beausant,   A sensible and pragmatic decision which supports you intention to be seen to be transparent. Lets hope that you are supported in this decision by members using their proxy vote. I certainly will.
  18. [quote user="Coelho"][quote user="Larry David"] Compared to the players you want him to be playing against (ie. in the Premier League), he is not that quick and he doesn''t have the brains to really add anything else to his game. He''s a lower league player at best and always will be. [/quote] When we first signed him he made a bit of an impact at Championship level, even if only for a few games, and that was without professional coaching. I don''t think it''s unreasonable to believe that he could be a consistent player in the Championship in the future. However, with only a year remaining on his contract I think we''d be lucky to get £500k. Personally I''d like to see us offer him an extra year on his contract and give him another year out on loan - if he spent next year at, say, Sheffield Wednesday and scored a bunch of goals in League One, we''d have no trouble getting half a million (or more) for him then. He''s only going to get better with more experience in the professional game. [/quote]   This is all academic - he is going to be sold.
  19. [quote user="paul moy"]If we can''t get our price then send him out on loan and keep our options open. If he scores 15 by xmas offer him a contract extension and then sell him for 1-2m with add-ons in the summer or keep him.  Recall him in Jan if we are struggling with injuries etc. You know it makes sense....[/quote] Paul, You are now truly clutching at straws. If we did as you say, we would be taking a huge gamble on persuading Cody to stay post Christmas. After all, in January he would be free to sign a pre-contractual agreeement with other clubs. It simply isnt going to happen.
  20. Birchfest, Thats not strictly true. Cody has a year left on his contract and it appears that he will not make the 25 man squad. Unless we are able to sell him by the end of August we are looking at a loan and kissing goodbye to any transfer fee. Ultimately, we will have to settle for the price that the market will stand and it looks like we are in a game of poker with a number of clubs. The nearer we get to the deadline, the more volatile the situtation will becoem for buyers and sellers. This is the same issue Arsenal face with Nasri, but at least they have an alternative as he will make their 25 man squad and they can choose to lose their transfer fee entitlement in exchange for a season''s football. Unfortunately, PL has set out his stall and we will have to sell at the best price we can get.  
  21. Beausant/Leeds Canary, Thanks for your response - I will be in touch once the AGM agenda is published.
  22. [quote user="Beauseant"] [quote user="Herman "]I wonder why Beau doesn''t post that often anymore?[/quote]   Get that tongue out of your cheek Herman![;)] I have no problem with the question about proxy votes. I looked into it and established that our constituion does not allow proxy votes.It''s probably worth pointing out that our understanding is that neither does FONCY, the Supporters Trust or the Shareholders Association. I''m not quite sure how answering an honest question honestly brings into question our openess and transparency, but I''ll leave that to the neutrals to decide. I have no problem whatsoever with such a provision being proposed and accepted going forward. I presume that when Crafty and Tangie''s father''s organisation (the old Supporters Club) drafted their constitution (on which ours in based) absentee voters were less of an issue with support being more parochial. Clearly its an issue to address. On a wider front, the sooner that the initials NCISA cease to exist, the better, as far as I''m concerned. As you all know there is a proposal to change the name at the AGM and for all officers and committee to be subject to reelection based on the new mission statement, which has already been quoted above. I can''t do anything about the past, but I can do something about the present and the future. We have a role to play, but it is a radically different one to the old NCISA. The old regime of regular chats with the Chief Executive and being a focus for fan discontent is now a thing of the past. It''s not for us to tell people how to support their club, nor to tell David McNally how to run it. What we can do, however, is to continue our function of raising money for the club, continue to develop discounts and benefits for our members, provide a link and a focus for the various smaller fan groups and organise forums with former players for our members. We have a new facebook page ( http://www.facebook.com/notifications.php?id=190374581018720#!/pages/Ncisa-Norwich-City-Independent-Supporters-Association/190374581018720 ) and are developing a new website. Membership costs just £5 per annum, for which you get free entry to forums, any discounts we are able to negotiate at hotels, other supporters clubs etc, plus free entry into our monthly draw for match tickets, memorabilia, signed books and so on. In the past the question has been "Why should I join NCISA?". In future, I want it to be "Why wouldn''t I join the Independent Norwich City Supporters Club (the proposed new name) ?".   [/quote]   Beausant, I am NCISA member (who unfortunately no longer lives near Norwich) and I had no idea that there is a proposal to change the name at the AGM. Indeed, I am not aware of any of the proposals for the AGM, other than those now set out in this thread. Not all NCISA members will necessarily read the Pink Un and it would have been nice to have recieved an e-mail.   Whislt I appreciate that proxy rules have not really been a major issue in the past, if there are going to be major chnages to the organisation rather just normal business, then I do think that those that cant attend a weekday evening meeting in Norwich should have their views heard if they wish. Whilst proxy votes are not allowed, surely the commitee could set up an informal channel to hear soundings from its members?
  23. Cambridge Canary, I am not accusing PL of anything, simply speculating - hence my use of "probably". At the end of the day, if you really believe that we will have just two keepers this year, aged 24 and 20, with no top flight experience, then you entitled to that opinion. In my opinion, I think that this "probably" wont be the case, but we will know for real shortly. The last time we tried this, we got relagated as an inexperienced Andy Marshall struggled to cover for the injured Gunn. Furthermore, if we had three keepers in the championship, why on earth we would risk going down to two in the PL?
  24. [quote user="Gene Tierney"]It looks like to me Steer has done enough to get a season loan.  That leaves just two keepers.  IMO Lambert is playing a dangerous game if he thinks, well we''ll get a special loan ticket if there''s an injury. [/quote]   Agreed - which means we are most probably in the market for an experienced keeper and that means a new signing rather than a loan. Question is whether this a short term solution (i.e. one year) or not.
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