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  1. nutty nigel

    If Chase was in charge.

    Bly - I did do a comparison between the strategies of Sir Arthur South''s board and the current board. I pointed out that Sir Arthurs board kept all their top players after their unfortunate relegation and added the quality of Culverhouse, Drinkell, Phelan and Williams. (Although you credit Chase with Culverhouse’s signing). Where as the current board certainly didn’t add quality to a squad that didn’t have the stature of the one that got relegated in 1985.There’s no doubt that the current board don’t compare well. However if you do a comparison between the current boards strategy upon relegation in 2005 and that of Robert Chase in 1995 I think you will see the current lot come out of it quite well. I believe it’s impossible to do the comparison between the Chase years and the Smith years that you asked for because the circumstances were totally different as I pointed out on my earlier post.

    Cluck - I defy anybody to paint the Chase years all black as the record books show our best ever history to be during his time. But that’s not the whole story and we both know that. Just like the last two seasons are not the whole story for the current lot. The run to the play-offs in 2002, the Championship in2004 and a lot of that Premiership season were equally as enjoyable as the previous good times for those of us who witnessed both. The whole of the last ten years will not be remembered as wasted but the last two certainly will.

     

  2. nutty nigel

    If Chase was in charge.

    BlyBlyBabes and Cluck -

    Your Tardis is obviously broken so I will invite you to take a trip with me in mine [ap]

    Season 84/85 we won the Milk Cup but unfortunately got relegated afterwards. Unfortunately because when we completed our fixtures we were 5th from bottom 8 points clear of Coventry who were in the last relegation place. However Coventry went on to win their last 3 games, all played after the end of the regular season and including a 4-1 victory over Champions Everton a full 2 weeks after the scheduled season was over.

    The board of the time (Watling/South) had had unprecedented success over the previous 15 years but this didn''t stop letters to the press demanding their resignation the following summer. Relegation, despite the dubious circumstances, was a bitter pill to swallow. However, the board remained in tact and so did the team. We held on to the likes of  Woods, Bruce, Watson and Deehan and actually added Culverhouse, Drinkell, Phelan and Williams.

    It was during this season that Chase got control of the club. It happened because of some "off the pitch arguments" and a clash between Sir Arthur South and Jimmy Jones. I don''t remember the full details but it was something to do with the contract to build the new main stand. Maybe some posters more obsessed with "off the pitch activities" remember the details. Anyway, as I remember it, South and Watling resigned and a new board was elected and the Chase years began. At the time many fans were pleased to see the back of South and Watling believing they had wasted money that could have been spent on the team! But many others were saddened by their departure, remembering the good times they gave us and their forsight in appointing Saunders and then Bond.

    Now then, the reason I set my tardis to go back to 1985 was so we can compare the state of the club from when Chase took over to the time he left. There really is no comparison between what he and Jones wrestled away from Sir Arthur South and what he left for the current board. This board and Nigel Worthingtons achievements in getting us promoted were the equivelent of Watling and Ron Saunders back in 1972. Unfortunately their subsequent performance in sustaining that success does not measure up. But don''t try to compare 10 years with Smith against 10 years of Chase because Chase didn''t have to take over the mess which he left.

     

     

     

  3. Bly - thanks for posting this, it brings back happy memories of some very special times. It points much more to the changes in football in general rather than what''s missing at our club now.

    In an interview on 5Live Bondy said he was on a shortlist of three to get the Man.U  job at the time they gave it to Sexton. By the time Sexton had left Old Trafford Bond was Man.City manager so it never happened. I think it''s a shame that he didn''t manage a real top club because Bond had more charisma than any other manager I have ever known and I believe the bigger the club the bigger the success he would have been.

    There''s a lot of fuss just lately about us targeting Scottish players. Well back in the 70''s Bondy only targered Bournemouth! This picture should bring back memories for the older fans!

     AFCB 1971/72

    Bournemouth 1971/72 (hope the picture works)

     

  4. nutty nigel

    If Chase was in charge.

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    (a) If Robert Chase was in charge I suspect that we would have sold Earnshaw by now, bought some Spurs reserves, blooded some more great talent from the academy conveyor belt, acquired a strong spine including a commanding centre-half from league 2.......and be well on our way towards re-establishing ourselves in the top tier.

    (b) As it is we are 16th in the championship with debts of 22 million pounds, fresh out of parachute payments, and with Gallacher and Doherty as the keystones of our defence.

    (c) And people have the nerve to call us realists negative. What on earth could be more negative than (b) above.

    I suggest that Andrew Turner invites Robert Chase over for the weekend.

    OTBC

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    Chase walked out the door when we were 16th in this division having finished on 57 points, just like last season in fact [8-)] Sunderland and Derby were promoted that season, just like last season but thats where the similarities end.

    Chase left the club on the brink of bankruptcy  and probably the only reason that the it''s still in existence is the fact that Mr Watling bought his shares and put up seven-figure guarantees at the bank.

    I don''t believe your reality is negative in fact I believe it''s a total dream world. [S][ip]

     

  5. nutty nigel

    Im off...........................

    [quote user="YankeeCanary"]

    [quote user="cityangel"]Are clucky and smudgy going with you??[/quote]

    They would go but Arthur cannot decide if he''s going for one week or two. Cluck cannot decide if he''s going to participate or not, and Smudger won''t make a move in any direction unless he''s got the security blanket of Cluck to tuck around himself. This is the pack that have designs on how NCFC should be operated. No wonder we are a "little club".

    [/quote]

    [8]Arthur’s going on a summer holiday [H][li][st][um]
    maybe Cluck and Smudge are going too.[:^)][ip]
    All pack together for their summer holiday,[au][ap]
    so no more worries for me or you,[Y][<:o)]
    for a week or two?[*-)][8-)]


     

  6. nutty nigel

    Who needs defenders?

    [quote user="canarychris"]

    If it was a serious post i would have had Hughes in goal...lol

    [/quote]

    A better option than Gally I think [;)]

     

  7. nutty nigel

    Grant wants Cureton-Delia says NO!

    [quote user="Whats a right winger"]Re the original message, Jamie went to Bristol Rovers in Sept 95 Delia didn''t become a director till  a couple of months later. Yet another made up story to make one of the board look bad. Make them credable for heavens sake[/quote]

    Cureton was still at Norwich in April 96 mate. That was the month of the famous green hair at portaloo road when he came on and scored before that unmentionable Ullathorne back pass! Mike Walker took over that summer and I don''t think he wanted Cureton. Delia was offered a place on the board that summer too but I can''t see where it was her that forced him out.

     

  8. nutty nigel

    One way to be cleverer.

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    Bly - A lot of people had heard of David Cross when we signed him in 1971. He cost us £40,000 plus Malcolm Darling at a time when I think the British record fee was still the £200,000 that Spurs paid West Ham for Martin Peters. That was quite a transfer fee in those days but I agree it proved to be a very good piece of business.

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    Nutty.

    Quote from Malcolm Robertson on Rick Waghorn''s website.

    Malcolm Robertson - City in sore need of someone to light the blue touchpaper just like Marvellous Martin did.
    Mon 25 Sep 06

    I can still recall the tannoy announcement at the end of a Carrow Road League Cup tie informing us that: ‘Tonight Norwich City have paid a club record fee of £40,000 for Rochdale’s David Cross…..’ Who? We’d never heard of him. There hadn’t been a whisper in the Press...

    And according to my research the British record transfer fee in 1971 was 220,000 pounds that Arsenal paid Everton for the late Alan Ball.

    I think we paid 50,000 pounds for Martin Peters in 1975.

    Different times, and just an example of what we are missing.

    OTBC

     

     

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    Bly - I think the late great Alan Ball signed for Arsenal a couple of months after we signed David Cross.

    David Cross had scored 21 goals in 59 games for Rochdale. He scored in their 2-1 F A Cup defeat of Coventry the previous season. People would have heard of him because that was a big cup upset in the day. He played alongside Alf Arrowsmith at the time. (Remember him Bly?) I reckon you and Malcolm Robertson must''ve been playin'' Monopoly that day [;)]

    You''re right though Bly. It was different times. We signed Cross in the October after he had made a prolific start to the season with Rochdale. Clubs can''t do that now because of the transfer window.

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    Nutty.

    I suspect Malcolm reported the match that night, so.......monoploy?

    I remember the announcement as clear as day. It was major.........and of course you remember what happened thereafter.

    I reckon you must have forgotten that you had inside info even in those days, Nutty.........you know, cousins and old family shares and so on....[H]

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    Bly

    So we agree the British record transfer fee at the time was the £200,000 Spurs paid for Martin Peters?

    We agree that David Cross was a good signing even though he was record fee for us?

    We agree that you had never heard of him but that doesn''t mean he was unknown?

    We agree that times have changed now and signings like that don''t happen anymore (Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec)?

    If not Delia''s then whose cousin am I?????????

     

  9. [quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

    That sort of insight and intelligence is wasted on here Cluck.

    It seems some people would turn up and watch the team no matter who was running the club or what their motives were, which of course gives club owners carte blanche permission to do whatever they like safe in the knowledge that their obedient little acolytes will just keep coming back for more. Quite scary really.

    [/quote]

    Now you know I agree that the board have not invested enough money into the football team over the last three seasons. But that doesn''t stop me, and thousands like me, turning up at Carrow Road and all over the country to support our team. I go because I enjoy going. I went when Watling, South, Chase and Smith owned the club and I''d still go if cluck owned it! (I''d rather it was Mello though!) Your post is patronising, as usual!

     

  10. nutty nigel

    One way to be cleverer.

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    Bly - A lot of people had heard of David Cross when we signed him in 1971. He cost us £40,000 plus Malcolm Darling at a time when I think the British record fee was still the £200,000 that Spurs paid West Ham for Martin Peters. That was quite a transfer fee in those days but I agree it proved to be a very good piece of business.

    [/quote]

    Nutty.

    Quote from Malcolm Robertson on Rick Waghorn''s website.

    Malcolm Robertson - City in sore need of someone to light the blue touchpaper just like Marvellous Martin did.
    Mon 25 Sep 06

    I can still recall the tannoy announcement at the end of a Carrow Road League Cup tie informing us that: ‘Tonight Norwich City have paid a club record fee of £40,000 for Rochdale’s David Cross…..’ Who? We’d never heard of him. There hadn’t been a whisper in the Press...

    And according to my research the British record transfer fee in 1971 was 220,000 pounds that Arsenal paid Everton for the late Alan Ball.

    I think we paid 50,000 pounds for Martin Peters in 1975.

    Different times, and just an example of what we are missing.

    OTBC

     

     

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    Bly - I think the late great Alan Ball signed for Arsenal a couple of months after we signed David Cross.

    David Cross had scored 21 goals in 59 games for Rochdale. He scored in their 2-1 F A Cup defeat of Coventry the previous season. People would have heard of him because that was a big cup upset in the day. He played alongside Alf Arrowsmith at the time. (Remember him Bly?) I reckon you and Malcolm Robertson must''ve been playin'' Monopoly that day [;)]

    You''re right though Bly. It was different times. We signed Cross in the October after he had made a prolific start to the season with Rochdale. Clubs can''t do that now because of the transfer window.

     

  11. [quote user="Web Team - Pete"]Neil Doncaster will be answering your questions in a live web chat on July 27.[/quote]

    Bet that just happens to be the week that The Realists have booked a holiday [ap][ip]  [H]

    Hope the weather is kind to them [li][st][um] 

    ( Didn''t mean it [:P][;)] )

     

  12. [quote user="Shack Attack"]

    I didn''t actually say that all people who read the accounts are boring, but I''ll allow you a little artistic license.

    [/quote]

    I think that people who continually and exclusively post about the accounts are really interesting [8-|] and I bet they spent their younger days counting the sixpences in their piggy banks and playing monopoly while we was using jumpers for goalposts and playing subuteo [:P]

     

  13. nutty nigel

    One way to be cleverer.

    Bly - A lot of people had heard of David Cross when we signed him in 1971. He cost us £40,000 plus Malcolm Darling at a time when I think the British record fee was still the £200,000 that Spurs paid West Ham for Martin Peters. That was quite a transfer fee in those days but I agree it proved to be a very good piece of business.

     

     

  14. nutty nigel

    So now...Hotel or infill?

    [quote user="Say Hello To The Angels"]

    i have read through all these posts and the one thing that i don''t get is those moaning that the hotel is an eyesore???? who cares when i go to carrow road i tend to watch the football not stare in amazement at our lovely ground.

    [/quote]

    It probably is an eyesore and spoils the enjoyment for those who watch on the wireless [~]

     

  15. nutty nigel

    safri....

    [quote user="jas the barclay king"]

     

    under Peter Grant we have failed to win a game in which Youssef Safri didnt play...

    [/quote]

    That particular stat ended when we won 2-1 at Worthy''s Leicester Jas.

    However, the following stats bear out what you are saying and show Safri''s worth to the team even though Worthy and Grant never seemed convinced:-

    Games where Safri featured: P35 W15 D6 L14 F46 A47 Pts52

    Games without Safri: P11 W1 D2 L8 F10 A24 Pts5

    These figures show how important Safri was to us and how we didn''t have a replacement when we were without him. They also back up ZLF''s points about the area of the team that should be priority to strengthen this summer.

     

  16. nutty nigel

    Happy Birthday Delia

    I shall be absent from this message board for the rest of the afternoon as I have a family party to attend [:|]

    [^] [pi] [<:o)] [G] [B] [Y] [C] [^] [B] [pi] [B] [^] [B] [pi] [B] [B] [B] [B] [B] [D] [D] [+o(]

     

  17. nutty nigel

    I want Hughes to Stay

    [quote user="Cobain18"]

    Get Hughes out of this football club! I respect him for his commitment but i could give the same level of commitment, and unfortunately probably the same level of skill. Andy Hughes gives 100% every time but the fact is that he is just absolutely s****, he can''t pass a ball, he has no pace, he can''t head a ball, he''s not really very good at set pieces, he gets ripped to shreads by any half decent winger/player. The simple fact is that Andy Hughes isn''t a footballer!

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    436 games and 40 goals is a half decent career in football at any level let alone where Hughes has been playing. I doubt you could match that my friend - so don''t hand in your notice just yet [;)]

     

  18. nutty nigel

    What if...

    [quote user="Smudger"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    For the sake of argument what if Sharp is Grant''s first choice target and we have had a bid of 2m accepted by Scunthorpe. And what if Eastwood was his second choice target and then Cureton was his third choice.

    What would you do? Would you keep trying to sell the club to Sharp and wait for him to make his mind up? Or would you try for the second / third choice and if they sign withdraw the offer for Sharp?

    It could be that until Sharp commits somewhere a lot of other deals won''t happen. And yes, it could be we miss out on them all.

    It seems to me that players and their agents call all the shots which in fairness is what would happen in any other proffession.

     

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    I would find a player that wants to sign for US Nutty...

    Like many have pointed out we need players in during the next couple of weeks (prior to pre-season training beginning).

    Sharp would not be my choice anyhow!!!

    I did like what another poster had to say on another thread about the prospect of us putting in a combined bid for Marshall and Riordan....  If we were then to sell Earnie we could try and get Cureton in as well plus somebody like Oldham''s Chris Porter...

    We should then also have a fair bit of money left over to bring some defenders in and a decent centre midfielder.

    [/quote]

    I''m not disagreeing with you about any of this Smudger. I have stated elsewhere that I don''t know enough about the players that could be available to suggest who we sign.

    The question I was trying so feebly to ask is that IF we are doing everything possible to sign the players Grant has put on his ''A List'' aren''t we just waiting for those players and their agents to commit to a club? If they commit to another club then we have to move to Grant''s ''B List''. But in the mean time we could have lost out on those players to other clubs who had them on their ''A List'' and it''s possible we miss out both ways.

    Of course we want players who really want to play for us, but most players don''t think like that anymore and they are in the hands of agents who are trying to get the best deal they can for their 10 pc.

    I also agree with ZLF about the other areas in the team but my post wasn''t really about that and anyway the same situation could be occurring with our ''A List'' mid-fielder and our ''A List'' defender.

    The original post was a "what if" but I think a concievable "what if".

     

     

     

  19. nutty nigel

    What if...

    For the sake of argument what if Sharp is Grant''s first choice target and we have had a bid of 2m accepted by Scunthorpe. And what if Eastwood was his second choice target and then Cureton was his third choice.

    What would you do? Would you keep trying to sell the club to Sharp and wait for him to make his mind up? Or would you try for the second / third choice and if they sign withdraw the offer for Sharp?

    It could be that until Sharp commits somewhere a lot of other deals won''t happen. And yes, it could be we miss out on them all.

    It seems to me that players and their agents call all the shots which in fairness is what would happen in any other proffession.

     

  20. nutty nigel

    Location Location Location

    I agree the location excuse is used too often when trying to explain why we haven''t signed certain players.

    It''s also worked for us on two occasions recently. Our location is a big factor of having Huckerby here for so long and also our location is why Chadwick was exclusively available to us.

    Times have changed and nowadays it seems to me that players and their agents get to choose clubs more than clubs choosing players. Clubs can agree fees but if the club that agreed the fee isn''t the players first choice he may hold out for his preferred location. Players are like you and I. They have families and a player based in certain parts of the country can have a choice of many clubs without uprooting their families. If we were competing with other clubs to sign a player from Scotland or Plymouth we would have a level playing field when trying to sell the club. But if we are competing with Wolves for a player from Aston Villa our location would put us at a disadvantage.

    There''s also a large number of players each season on long term loans. Our location certainly counts against us in the loan market.

    Overall I guess the location does count against us but not as much as some would have us believe.

     

  21. nutty nigel

    1300 season tickets up for grabs

    I agree with Pyro Pete.

    If there are 1300 season tickets left after the waiting list has been catered for then we should cap the numbers now.

    Everyone will benefit from having an extra 1300 casual seats, even the club who can sell them at casual prices. If performances are good they will sell and if not they will remain empty.

     

     

  22. [quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

    [quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

    Unfit, fat, shacky, old, inconsistent, ordinary, tired...

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    Not much point you going this season then.....

     

    [/quote]

    It kindof explains last seasons 15th place finish....

    [/quote]

    I guess that let''s Grant and the board off the hook then......

     

  23. [quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

    [quote user="Temp the Revelator"]

    Why do some ''fans'' feel the need to constantly denounce players we sign? 

    [/quote]

    Er, maybe because they''re cr*p!

    Apart from Hucks, Ernshaw and Ashton they have been.

    [/quote]

    Chadwick, Croft, Doherty, Dublin, Etuhu, Lappin, Safri....

    Cr*p the lot of ''em? [:^)][*-)][8-)]

     

    [/quote]

    Unfit, fat, shacky, old, inconsistent, ordinary, tired...

    [/quote]

    Not much point you going this season then.....

     

  24. nutty nigel

    Beaten by Ipswich. Again?

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    Nutty. It might help debate if you would attribute your quote.

    [/quote]

    I don''t want to help debate between the merits of  piswich and us.[:S] I have no intention of recognising anything good about them.[:|] I view every comparison through the most tinted yellow and green welding goggles that you could imagine.[8-|] I am happy to admit it and it will never change.[|-)]

    On the other hand you are quite happy to use the scabby blues to attempt to score points against our great club. Twice this week you have "headlined" them. You openly admit you  don''t care if they win this league / finish above us. In that way we are poles apart and always will be.

     

  25. Reg did the tunes[8] and his mate Bernie did the words[:-*].

    Don''t remember ever hearing Bernie supported anyone but maybe his canary references in Emily mean he is a City Fan.  I also don''t remember reading that he wasted his money so he''s probably loaded. He''s not foreign [Y] because he was brought up in Lincoln and that''s not too far away. (Outside Norfolk though [N]) Could he be the one? [I]

     

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