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  1. nutty nigel

    City to be raided by Reading?

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    ''Reading will sign Robert Earnshaw and Darren Huckerby from Norwich for 10 million with Shane Long going on loan to Norwich as well. Steve Coppell is also starting to look for a central midfielder to replace Steve Sidwell as he is almost certain of going to Newcastle on a free transfer. Coppell is looking around and the men on the top of his list are Scott Parker of Newcastle or Nigel Reo Coker of West Ham if they are relegated!''

    Could be some truth in it. Coppell is a very shrewd man.

    It would certainly give Grant the wherewithal to fashion his own team without having to look over his shoulder at star players he did not sign.

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    And paying 6m over the odds for those two would be very shrewd business.

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    Coppell is very shrewd in his player acquisition policy. He takes in very few duffers and knows exactly what he is about.

    If a premiership club really, really wants 2 of your players because their (very successful) manager has determined that they are key to his consolidation strategy over the next couple of years, then they will pay (what to us is) over the odds - provided that we know how to negotiate, and don''t blink first.

    No, it might not be 10m - it might be 7.5 or 6 or 5.5 or 8 or 10.5,  but still a goodly sum to be spent on cherry-picking good players from clubs in the lower reaches who can''t resist our offers.

    Stategy sound familiar to you? Should do. Very good strategy too for a club in our circumstances. But you have to have the right manager and scouting system.

    With little available cash (except for non-football matters) and no new wealthy investor on the horizon what other strategy is there except the South/Watling/Chase player acquisition strategy?[:D]

    QED?

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    Not very shrewd to still be paying at least 2m over the odds whichever of those bids you choose.

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    Spinning on a side issue again, eh Nutty!

    OTBC

     

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    Strange that in Bobsville lalaland all opinions are spin even if they are more factually based than the original drivel in the post.

     

  2. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    What''s the evidence for even this?

    The profitability of restaurants is notoriously dicey.

    Do you have ''further & better particulars"?[*-)]

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    The evidence is in the Annual Report on pages 6 and 7.

    Would you be good enough to return the favour and answer my question on the other thread?

     

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    Are you referring to the quote "Catering income has again shown good growth"? Income does not equal profit.

    [/quote]

    No, I''m referring to the quote by Mr. Carrow on page 6 of this thread. The evidence for this is on pages 6 and 7 in theAnnual Report. Which of your own statements are you referring to?

    Clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right -  looks like I''m stuck in the middle with the performing seals.

     Mr.Carrow wrote:

    But hey, we`ve got a few hundred thousand profit from the resturaunt to look forward to so everythings fine.

     

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    Nutty, the quote "catering income has again shown good growth" is from p.6 of the accounts. It does not mention PROFIT anywhere so where exactly is this "evidence" of profitability you speak of? At least us "clowns and jokers" base our opinions on facts and reality rather than a cosy myth that some people just cant seem to let go....

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    then you won''t need me to show you the evidence of the profitability because you will have already based your opinion that there''s a few hundred thousand profit from the resturaunt on some real facts of your own. Alternatively you can just look at the two page reference I gave you twice earlier.

    NN baiting may be fun but  eventually you are going to have to let the thread die or go back to debating properly. I bet I know what will happen!

     

     

     

  3. nutty nigel

    Big Hint #4 - To the NCFC board

    [quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

    I have just had enough, I don''t know why I renewing having read Munby''s statement....  I wonder if I can cancel?  I''m sure they could sell the ticket on to some other sucker....

    We are not even trying to get out of this division...

     

    For all the idiocy of what sheepshanks did in the prem, at least they have challenged for promotion since, and their board put FOOTBALL FIRST, unlike the losers in our own Boardroom.  this policy works, the fact they nearly always finish above us proves this.

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    Howabout starting a thread about who''s not going to renew the season after next! Surely we have too many season ticket holders if they are wishing they hadn''t renewed 3 months before the season starts. What is so hard about not renewing?????

     

  4. nutty nigel

    Not very clever, eh Roger.

    [quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

    we have more management talent than the rest tho......

    donk in midfield!!

    we have cleverer managemnet talent....

    Martin on the wing

    and again....

    Fozzy the new Safri...

    Robinson better than Safri....

     

    Actually wait a minute, no we don''t.

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    Of course yet again you  choose to ignore the most ridiculous decision of all. Why play our best centreforward in defence, wait until we go 3-0 down and move him up front where he should have been in the first place!

     

  5. nutty nigel

    Roger Munmby details future plans!

    [quote user="Mr.Carrow"][

    Seems like you have been through something very similar to me Mystic. I supported the board and defended them several times on this site until i started to have misgivings when we blatently looked a gift-horse in the mouth in not signing Crouch early in the Prem season. Even then i felt that the board were hoarding a good deal of the cash for a real attempt to bounce back the following season. That close season really showed the board in their true light, losing big wage earners in Helveg,Svensson,Jonsson and Francis raking in £3million in the process and then spending a grand total of £700,000 on replacements-Hughes,Colin,Jarrett and Thorne. What an absolute joke. Since then its been the same old story, losing players for millions and spending as little as possible at the last possible minute on replacements (or not bothering to replace at all-still no target man).

    I and my group of friends used to run one of the more long-lived fanzines and have had season-tickets for 15 years. I gave mine up for this season and the rest are doing the same for next. It seems the long battle to remove Chase was in vain as the same policies are still in place at the club. It seems it is fine to throw money at corner infills, new pitches,undersoil heating, new offices, stand refits, a new box office,land deals, two subsiduary companies,the TAXMAN etc. and as long as you occasionally come out with some empty emotional waffle people will still keep turning up and clapping along like performing seals. Unfortunately i have come to the conclusion that in this particular part of the world (to slightly twist a famous phrase) "you can fool most of the people all of the time...."

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    Utter bilge from yet another Bob the Builder follower living in Bobsville lalaland!

    We couldn''t have signed Crouch when you state because he had already signed for Southampton and however many times you try and add 1.5m + .7m + .135m + .1m you can never reach over 3m even if you did learn sums in Mrs Percivals class sitting next to Spud!

    Yet another of the few hundred performing seals watching it on the wireless reminiscing about the good old days!

     

  6. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

    [quote user="nutty nigel"]

    Clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right -  looks like I''m stuck in the middle with the performing seals.

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    are you on the norwich city board?

     

     

    Fozzy a replacement for Safri...  get a grip Waghorn.

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    Nutster Niggle is certainly a defender of those in the NCFC hierarchy..........Probably a Pawn wanting to be a Bishop........[:P]

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    No.. I just believe in what I believe in and try and back up my opinions with facts as I see them. I was enjoying the debate until it became personal and it seems to me that without anything to back up opinions posters resort to insults or baseless accusations to back up their posts. I was tired last night and suddenly realised that it''s easier to be that way. Even nutster niggle realises that any self respecting pawn with any sort of ambition would not want to be a bishop!

     

     

  7. [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    Or can''t you figure it out? [:$]

    COYB

     

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    I had you figured out a long time ago BBB [;)]

     

  8. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    What''s the evidence for even this?

    The profitability of restaurants is notoriously dicey.

    Do you have ''further & better particulars"?[*-)]

    OTBC

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    The evidence is in the Annual Report on pages 6 and 7.

    Would you be good enough to return the favour and answer my question on the other thread?

     

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    Are you referring to the quote "Catering income has again shown good growth"? Income does not equal profit.

    [/quote]

    No, I''m referring to the quote by Mr. Carrow on page 6 of this thread. The evidence for this is on pages 6 and 7 in theAnnual Report. Which of your own statements are you referring to?

    Clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right -  looks like I''m stuck in the middle with the performing seals.

     Mr.Carrow wrote:

    But hey, we`ve got a few hundred thousand profit from the resturaunt to look forward to so everythings fine.

     

  9. nutty nigel

    City to be raided by Reading?

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    ''Reading will sign Robert Earnshaw and Darren Huckerby from Norwich for 10 million with Shane Long going on loan to Norwich as well. Steve Coppell is also starting to look for a central midfielder to replace Steve Sidwell as he is almost certain of going to Newcastle on a free transfer. Coppell is looking around and the men on the top of his list are Scott Parker of Newcastle or Nigel Reo Coker of West Ham if they are relegated!''

    Could be some truth in it. Coppell is a very shrewd man.

    It would certainly give Grant the wherewithal to fashion his own team without having to look over his shoulder at star players he did not sign.

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    And paying 6m over the odds for those two would be very shrewd business.

    [/quote]

    Coppell is very shrewd in his player acquisition policy. He takes in very few duffers and knows exactly what he is about.

    If a premiership club really, really wants 2 of your players because their (very successful) manager has determined that they are key to his consolidation strategy over the next couple of years, then they will pay (what to us is) over the odds - provided that we know how to negotiate, and don''t blink first.

    No, it might not be 10m - it might be 7.5 or 6 or 5.5 or 8 or 10.5,  but still a goodly sum to be spent on cherry-picking good players from clubs in the lower reaches who can''t resist our offers.

    Stategy sound familiar to you? Should do. Very good strategy too for a club in our circumstances. But you have to have the right manager and scouting system.

    With little available cash (except for non-football matters) and no new wealthy investor on the horizon what other strategy is there except the South/Watling/Chase player acquisition strategy?[:D]

    QED?

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    Not very shrewd to still be paying at least 2m over the odds whichever of those bids you choose.

  10. nutty nigel

    Free bet this weekend

    [quote user="ray ducker"]Yep there she blows fans , one wrong again , its seems the story of my life , i remember going 7 weeks with one wrong , you would have thought it would have evened it self out, you know 4 for the bookmaker 3 for me but no such hope , Nutty i hope i am not going to fall out with you , no i know i wont do that ,but talking of sponsors , did Flybee come in with a blaze of glory ? or did they wait for City to win a game ? i know its not the same but in my small world it is , i am like Dixmar Racing we are  City fans ,are they ? O.K . Dixmar Racing are only a small Norwich local bookmaker but i have seen more thoughts on them than Flybee on this board [:(][/quote]

    I''m sure we won''t fall out either Ray. I wasn''t criticising Dixmaar racing and I agree they have backed us with nothing much in return. I have done my best by plugging it in my sig and I post often enough for it to remain on the front page. It''s not much but it''s the best I can do. The story is that Dixmaar racing have been sponsoring the Pink Un Posters Picks to try and raise money for the academy. This has been done in Archants backyard but hasn''t to my knowledge been reported by them. I take form that they need more of a story and that would take a win. Did you get an answer to your email yet?

     

  11. nutty nigel

    We're not good when we score first.

    [quote user="blahblahblah"]Maybe I should have titled this "Worst in the league at converting leads to wins". Or "1st Wizard Cluck and Smudger are girls." Might have got a few more peoples attention.  I thought it was interesting anyway.[/quote]

    It is interesting and at first I found it confusing because it takes strong character and leadership on the pitch to come back from a goal down to win the game. But further investigation will show that the five games we did win after falling behind were both games against Luton, both games against Leicester and the home game against Leeds. I think this says more about those teams inability to hold a lead than our ability to bounce back. Though it says plenty about us that we fell behind in these games in the first place. Grant has seen the problems so lets hope he can fix them.

     

     

  12. nutty nigel

    City to be raided by Reading?

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    ''Reading will sign Robert Earnshaw and Darren Huckerby from Norwich for 10 million with Shane Long going on loan to Norwich as well. Steve Coppell is also starting to look for a central midfielder to replace Steve Sidwell as he is almost certain of going to Newcastle on a free transfer. Coppell is looking around and the men on the top of his list are Scott Parker of Newcastle or Nigel Reo Coker of West Ham if they are relegated!''

    Could be some truth in it. Coppell is a very shrewd man.

    It would certainly give Grant the wherewithal to fashion his own team without having to look over his shoulder at star players he did not sign.

    OTBC 

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    And paying 6m over the odds for those two would be very shrewd business.

     

     

  13. nutty nigel

    Cluck et al vindicated

    [quote user="macdougalls perm"]

    Well, I''ve read it and it sounds to me as though he is just stating the obvious - we don''t have a heap of money to splash around and are going to have to trust to good judgement rather than a never ending purse. The only way that it vidicates 1st Wiz, Cluck and Smudger is if you buy into their view that everybody else is pefectly happy with the state of the club as it is - ie with the reasoning capacity of a four year old. I have lost track of the number of times people have tried to explain to them that just because people don''t agree with them on the solution needed (which, by the way, hasn''t had a clear exposition despite tons of requests for them to do just that) does NOT mean that those people feel that everything is ''rosy'' at Carrow Road.

    If anything, I think that Munby''s interview comes closer to vindicating Blahblahblah''s excellent answer to the ''a fair read'' thread.  

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    This is how it''s done Blanch

  14. nutty nigel

    Roger Munmby details future plans!

    [quote user="Cluck "][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Cluck "][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Cluck "]

    I think it is highly unfair for Munby to make himself look a total pillock like this....as it is depriving others of doing their job.  What next...Delia installing a couch in the Barclay End to get closer still to her lap dogs?

    Utter bilge....and if anyone sucks this in they really are in need of professional help. Cue NN..........[N]

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    Read the whole article and none of it makes any sense to me! I''d still like some professional help though!!

    Managing to get the obligatory Delia reference in so early in such a short post say''s more about you though Cluck [;)]

     

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    Maybe...but then defending the indefencible is your continual hallmark NN.

    I can''t see how anyone so apparently "knowledgeable" can be so wholly naive...unless of course they have a hidden protectionist agenda or are getting paid for it.

    Why highlight my Delia reference? Who is it apart from her and her cronies that have got us into this mess? Is it the fans? No.  Is it Archent? No. Is it the NCISA? No. So how you can separate a preposterous statement by Munby from Smith herself I''ll never know. His words are her words...so what part of the "defensive united front" aspect don''t you understand?

    Munby is Smith''s puppet to deflect public criticism away from her celebrity persona. Why can''t you grasp this fact?  He takes the flak while Smith smiles serenely...knowing that hiding behind the "major shareholder" tag it keeps her public nose clean and clear of "blame". Sack the "Chairman" means sack Munby....so we''d still be left with Smith playing with her little yellow and green dolls house....moving her 24000 dolls into postion safe in the knowledge that she has their undivided attention.

    You represent everything that is wrong with NCFC in 2007 to be frank. It''s just excuse after excuse..."spun" posts to confuse issues....and a general " It wasn''t me Guv" when you are confronted. Candy floss to the Board and confirmation that many City fans of today are lilly livered and scared of facing the future without their mother figure in place.

    God help us.........

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    What mess?????????

    Surely when Robert Chase departed the club was a mess. When does disappointment become a mess? I can''t "defend" this article because as I stated none of it makes any sense to me. I could speculate what was meant, as blah did, but that would only be speculation or dare I even say spin!!! I knew I shouldn''t have bothered reacting to your post in the first place, one throw away remark brings on a tirade of abuse in a personal post but I guess I only have myself to blame.

     

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    You call that abuse?  Where do you live?...Toy Town?

    It''s called direct disagreement....maybe something you''re not used to living next door to Big Ears.  How can you say being £20 odd million in debt, a loser of a manager and a crap squad is anything but a mess?  Maybe you''ll be happy to wait until we become another Leeds before you drop the apologist stance and get real....but some of us aren''t that foolish and prevention as you may well know, is considerably better than cure.

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    Your direct disagreement is a credit to you

  15. nutty nigel

    Well it could be worse...

    [quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

    After the club failed to sign Howard the board came out and stated that they didn`t think a 30 year-old was worth £1million given the unlikelihood of a resale value. Within a few days an interview with Worthy was printed in the local press entitled "Worthy-City must pay going rate" in which he politely had a dig at the board for not backing his judgement. A clear case of the board deciding whether or not to buy a player based on wider financial reasons rather than the impact the player may have on the team. Considering we have been crying out for a target man this season and given Howards form for Derby i think it is reasonable to say that had we bought him we could very well be in contention for a £50million promotion right now.

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    I have been banging on about this for the last 8 months! Nobody took any notice of what Worthington said at the time because the primary agenda then was to use everything he said agaist him. Worthington also said :-

     “It is most important from my point of view that we get people in as early as possible. The problem is that anybody who joins us now will be 2½ weeks behind in training and the very high levels of fitness we are trying to achieve.
    “We have to be proactive rather than reactive. We signed Dean Ashton in January instead of pre-season and I think the lesson should have been learned from that.
    “Things can develop very fast and it is a case of you can miss out if you don''t move swiftly.”

    Hulse was Worthingtons 1st choice and then Howard was plan B. After they had both signed for other clubs Worthy had this to say :-

    “There is not a lot of plan C, D, E, F, G, H from the point of view of the quality that we need to come into this football club and take us forward. I can go and sign five six-foot three strikers tomorrow for £100,000 apiece - they won''t do the job that we want because they are not good enough, simple as that, and if you want to move forward then you need good players within the club.
    “We have looked across the board and the two top targets were Hulse number one, and Howard number two.”
    “It is not a surprise because when there is not an abundance of those types of strikers about, they command high transfer fees, they command high wages,” he said. “Certainly in the Howard situation, yes, £1m is a lot of money for him, but if that''s what there is about and that''s the going rate at the time, then that''s it.
    “There is a budget here and it''s a tight budget and we have got to manage that very carefully to get the most from that and with having a tight budget you have got to be very careful how you spend it, simple as that.”

    But I don''t ever remember anyone from the board saying the reason Howard wasn''t signed was because of the unlikeliehood of a resale value. I thought they just didn''t feel he was worth the package we were going to have to pay:-

    A good example is striker Steve Howard - a 30year old with one year to run on his contract and who scored 14 League goals for Luton last season. We had in mind what we believed to be a fair price for the player. But faced with competition from the likes of Leeds, Derby, Stoke and others, the bidding soon escalated, with Derby ending up paying £1 million plus a very, very healthy player salary and other add-ons.

    In defence of the board over the Howard transfer it''s fair to say that many fans also saw it as too much of a gamble.And the board took a similar gamble, minus the transfer fee, with Peter Thorne the previous summer.

    It''s all water under the bridge now. Failing to get either player in the summer is a big part of the reason I say that this board hasn''t found the right balance between their much vaunted prudence and being reckless.

    What will be interesting though is to see whether Peter Grant has paid 2.25 times over the odds for a £100,000 six foot three striker or has unearthed a bargain! Only time will tell!!

     

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    I wasn`t one of those using every issue as a stick to beat Worthington with as i realised fairly early on that with the paltry level of investment from the board he would only be able to bring in "C" list players at best. The way i see it the board are guilty whichever way you look at it on this issue. Either they decided not to sign Howard because of his age/lack of resale value, or they arrogantly decided that their opinion of the"value" of a player in football terms was more important than the managers. A board which goes down this road is way overstepping the mark.

    The irony, as you say, is that most fans (including myself) did not think he was worth the money but with hindsight Worthington was right and we and the board were wrong......again.

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    At the time I thought Howard was worth the risk but I was in the minority. I also trusted Worthingtons judgements in the transfer market and thought he talked a lot of sense. If we could have got in and nabbed Hulse before Sheffield United did it would have been a better signing though because a younger player would have been a better investment for all reasons. This is the one that the board should have pulled out all the stops for, maybe they did, we will probably never know. What doesn''t add up in my head is that if the board are only interested in re-saleable assets then why did they commit so much money to Peter Thornes contract.

    Like I said, it''s all water under the bridge now. But I am really interested to see how the Chris Brown transfer works out.

     

  16. [quote user="Cluck "][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    My oldest NCFC memorabillia is the official handbook from the 1933-34 season when they played at "The Nest".

    My favourite book is Glorious Canaries past and present 1902 - 1994. And it''s signed by Jon Newsome and John Polston.

    I don''t collect programs but I have the one when my son was mascot against Sheffield Wednesday in 1987 which is signed by the players. The Wednesday team that day featured both Gary Megson and Nigel Worthington.

    I have the photo''s from the day my son was mascot where he is with Kevin Drinkell in the warm up and in the centre circle with Drinkell, Martin Hodge and the Match Officials just before kick off. My other favourite photo''s were only taken last weekend and they are of my grandson with Darren Huckerby and Peter Grant amongst others.

    I have got lots of other stuff too that special to me and most of all I have my memories of great games and great players and great goals from over 40 years support.

    I can''t help feeling a bit sad that some posters can even try to bring bitterness to this thread. There has only ever been one Norwich City in the 40 years I have been supporting them. And the future memories are still being made because we will marvel at Darren Huckerby''s goals this season in years to come too.

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    If you were honest you would have to admit that your ''great'' memories of the past 12 years are, comparatively, remarkably thin on the ground. Now why would that be? A hint - it has all do with persistent failure & naivity and nothing to do with bitterness. Sadly, facts are facts - and the sooner we all face up to them honestly, then the quicker our future will become brighter.

    OTBC

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    You couldn''t be more wrong BBB. Some of my memories from the last 7 years are right up there with those from the 60''s, 70''s and 80''s. The play-off final in Cardiff was equally as good as the cup final defeats by Spurs and Villa and for me personally better because I was with my 2 children in a far superior stadium to the old Wembley. The atmosphere was better too. The championship winning season under Worthington easily equaled the ones under Saunders and Brown. Watching Darren Huckerby has been the equal of watching Martin Peters and although I think that Peters was a better all round player Hucks is definitely more exciting. The victories at Poorman Road in 2000(Iwan2) and 2003(TOTLAPR) are the most memorable two there ever for me. The victory over Man.Utd in 2005 was one of our best league wins ever. The away day at Crewe in 2004 was the equal of Watford in 1972.

    I could go on and on and lots of posters probably think I am! Football is full of ups and downs ranging from total elation to total dispair, it always has been.

    Out of interest but not judgement how many games have you seen in the last 7 years to compare with what went before?

     

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    Oh.. and I have a letter from Delia after Worthy''s team won the Championship....... cue blanch!

     

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    Corrrrrrrrrrr!......Swap you with this squashed snail I have under my shoe?    

    Great memoreeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............[|-)]

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    Caught one [;)]

    Thanks for helping me keep this thread alive while  I await BBB''s answer [Y]

     

  17. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="Cluck "][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="yellow hammer"][quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    Mr. Carrow - I don''t believe the board focus on off the field projects rather than the team. I believe they try to create additional revenue streams in order to have more money to strengthen the team. When we  are disappointed by results and performances we look at kitchens and hotels and kick out but can you show me where these off-field projects are taking money from the team. We can cry out for people to invest in the club as loud as we like but the ultimate aim surely has to be to try and become self-financing for the future security of the club.

    Where I do agree with the boards critics to a certain extent is that since our promotion they have been too prudent. We should have secured Dean Ashton in the August of our Premiership campaign. And then last summer I believed we should have backed Worthington in his quest to bring in a targetman (Hulse or Howard). Only in the case of Steve Howard have I got any sympathy with the boards stance because he could so easily have turned out to be another Peter Thorne and in that the transfer fee on top of the high wages was a gamble. It''s only with hindsight that we see Howard was fit for most of the season.

    What many of the boards critics refuse to see is how football has changed since the mid-nineties. It''s not possible to run football clubs in the way they were run in years gone by. We should always keep pressure on the board to produce a succesful team but we also need to try to understand the difficulties involved and how times have changed.

     

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    They bought Kerrison Rd playing field for £1million, the resturaunt cost £1million, £3.5million on the infill, £600k+on the pitch and undersoil heating, £1million on a Jarrold stand "refit",the "spaces for sport" facility and "construction of new office facilities for third party lettings" cost money. The development of the rest of the land the club own costs money (feasability studies,planning applications etc.)

     Page 4 of the 2004 accounts-"the group purchased approximately one acre of land from Norwich city council for £0.9million". Page 5 of the same accounts-"the group financed the purchase of six acres of land from Laurence Scott and Electromotors with a seperate facility of £2.5million". Page 8 of the latest accounts-"the group continued the improvement in the facilities and infrastructure at Carrow Rd, committing a further £3.9million".

    [/quote]

     

    The strategy of the board seems to be:

    1. Use TV money and other income to finance investments into bricks and mortar projects

    2. Use share issues from the fans to finance player transfer fees. (Ashton,Huckerby)

    The fan shares are basically worthless and unsellable, whereas Delia''s shares will be be backed up by all that propery development and worth a small fortune. In other words the current owners are doing exactly what Robert Chase did ten years ago.

     

     

     

    [/quote]

    When Chase ''left the building'' he certainly wasn''t out of pocket......and, if Delia were ever to depart, I''m pretty certain that she wouldn''t be out of pocket either.....It''s not just the mediocre football that''s the attraction y''know, and if anyone thinks otherwise.........well, there''s naivety, ignorance and there''s gullibility.......and there''s some folk who are guilty of all three.

    We are less than 15million in debt behind the ''mighty Leeds''......If we had been relegated, I''m pretty certain we''d have been in the same ''sh*t creek - aboard a canoe with a massive leak'''' only with a slightly larger paddle..........

    As much as I loathe that "Bearded Beelzebub Bates", he certainly knows how to ''utilise and manipulate his resources to achieve his gains''..........Hook or by crook, eh........Works for some. 

     

    [/quote]

    When Chase ''left the building'' the club was on the edge of oblivion. I have no idea whether he was out of pocket, only he could tell you. He left the club in a right royal mess though. Chase did however devote many years of his life getting the club the good times we had before it all went wrong. If Delia and MWJ were to depart I have no idea if they would be out of pocket either. But they would leave the club with much stronger foundations than they found it (yes even with the debt). And they also will have devoted many years of their life getting the club good times.

    Leeds have been relegated, they spent most of the season looking like being relegated in the relegation places in this league. We have not been relegated and have never looked like being relegated and spent none of this season in the relegation places in this league.

    I believe in what I believe in and although I don''t actually sit on the fence I can see both sides of the argument regarding how much money is invested in the football team. You believe in what you believe and I respect that too. I am not naieve, ignorant or gullible. Neither am I a sheep or Delia''s lap dog or an apologist for the board. Neither am I happy with being in the bottom half of this league and nothing in my posts suggests otherwise.

    I could end this post by suggesting others want to see us go into administration and would much rather Bates or even Ribsdale were running our club. I could suggest they want to see us lose matches and get relegated. I could suggest they are reckless naieve and gullible in believing the board are selling them short. I could suggest some are divisive in trying to stir up fans to protest againt the people who run the club. Tit for tat isn''t my thing though and the debate would just drop off the page and we would have to start all over again!

     

    [/quote]

    Does the highlighted passage interpret to "For sale with only manageable debts of £6 million....some great years of football to remember and investments/players/legacies to aid simple enough recovery even for a monkey to perform?"

    Just askin''..........[N]

    [/quote]

    The passage you highlighted is what happened at the time. No spin, not my opinion, just what was reported at the time when there really was a mess to sort out.

    Just sayin'' .................................

     

  18. [quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    My oldest NCFC memorabillia is the official handbook from the 1933-34 season when they played at "The Nest".

    My favourite book is Glorious Canaries past and present 1902 - 1994. And it''s signed by Jon Newsome and John Polston.

    I don''t collect programs but I have the one when my son was mascot against Sheffield Wednesday in 1987 which is signed by the players. The Wednesday team that day featured both Gary Megson and Nigel Worthington.

    I have the photo''s from the day my son was mascot where he is with Kevin Drinkell in the warm up and in the centre circle with Drinkell, Martin Hodge and the Match Officials just before kick off. My other favourite photo''s were only taken last weekend and they are of my grandson with Darren Huckerby and Peter Grant amongst others.

    I have got lots of other stuff too that special to me and most of all I have my memories of great games and great players and great goals from over 40 years support.

    I can''t help feeling a bit sad that some posters can even try to bring bitterness to this thread. There has only ever been one Norwich City in the 40 years I have been supporting them. And the future memories are still being made because we will marvel at Darren Huckerby''s goals this season in years to come too.

    [/quote]

    If you were honest you would have to admit that your ''great'' memories of the past 12 years are, comparatively, remarkably thin on the ground. Now why would that be? A hint - it has all do with persistent failure & naivity and nothing to do with bitterness. Sadly, facts are facts - and the sooner we all face up to them honestly, then the quicker our future will become brighter.

    OTBC

    OTBC

     

    [/quote]

    You couldn''t be more wrong BBB. Some of my memories from the last 7 years are right up there with those from the 60''s, 70''s and 80''s. The play-off final in Cardiff was equally as good as the cup final defeats by Spurs and Villa and for me personally better because I was with my 2 children in a far superior stadium to the old Wembley. The atmosphere was better too. The championship winning season under Worthington easily equaled the ones under Saunders and Brown. Watching Darren Huckerby has been the equal of watching Martin Peters and although I think that Peters was a better all round player Hucks is definitely more exciting. The victories at Poorman Road in 2000(Iwan2) and 2003(TOTLAPR) are the most memorable two there ever for me. The victory over Man.Utd in 2005 was one of our best league wins ever. The away day at Crewe in 2004 was the equal of Watford in 1972.

    I could go on and on and lots of posters probably think I am! Football is full of ups and downs ranging from total elation to total dispair, it always has been.

    Out of interest but not judgement how many games have you seen in the last 7 years to compare with what went before?

     

    [/quote]

    Oh.. and I have a letter from Delia after Worthy''s team won the Championship....... cue blanch!

     

  19. nutty nigel

    Roger Munmby details future plans!

    [quote user="Cluck "][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Cluck "]

    I think it is highly unfair for Munby to make himself look a total pillock like this....as it is depriving others of doing their job.  What next...Delia installing a couch in the Barclay End to get closer still to her lap dogs?

    Utter bilge....and if anyone sucks this in they really are in need of professional help. Cue NN..........[N]

    [/quote]

    Read the whole article and none of it makes any sense to me! I''d still like some professional help though!!

    Managing to get the obligatory Delia reference in so early in such a short post say''s more about you though Cluck [;)]

     

    [/quote]

    Maybe...but then defending the indefencible is your continual hallmark NN.

    I can''t see how anyone so apparently "knowledgeable" can be so wholly naive...unless of course they have a hidden protectionist agenda or are getting paid for it.

    Why highlight my Delia reference? Who is it apart from her and her cronies that have got us into this mess? Is it the fans? No.  Is it Archent? No. Is it the NCISA? No. So how you can separate a preposterous statement by Munby from Smith herself I''ll never know. His words are her words...so what part of the "defensive united front" aspect don''t you understand?

    Munby is Smith''s puppet to deflect public criticism away from her celebrity persona. Why can''t you grasp this fact?  He takes the flak while Smith smiles serenely...knowing that hiding behind the "major shareholder" tag it keeps her public nose clean and clear of "blame". Sack the "Chairman" means sack Munby....so we''d still be left with Smith playing with her little yellow and green dolls house....moving her 24000 dolls into postion safe in the knowledge that she has their undivided attention.

    You represent everything that is wrong with NCFC in 2007 to be frank. It''s just excuse after excuse..."spun" posts to confuse issues....and a general " It wasn''t me Guv" when you are confronted. Candy floss to the Board and confirmation that many City fans of today are lilly livered and scared of facing the future without their mother figure in place.

    God help us.........

    [/quote]

    What mess?????????

    Surely when Robert Chase departed the club was a mess. When does disappointment become a mess? I can''t "defend" this article because as I stated none of it makes any sense to me. I could speculate what was meant, as blah did, but that would only be speculation or dare I even say spin!!! I knew I shouldn''t have bothered reacting to your post in the first place, one throw away remark brings on a tirade of abuse in a personal post but I guess I only have myself to blame.

     

  20. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="yellow hammer"][quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    Mr. Carrow - I don''t believe the board focus on off the field projects rather than the team. I believe they try to create additional revenue streams in order to have more money to strengthen the team. When we  are disappointed by results and performances we look at kitchens and hotels and kick out but can you show me where these off-field projects are taking money from the team. We can cry out for people to invest in the club as loud as we like but the ultimate aim surely has to be to try and become self-financing for the future security of the club.

    Where I do agree with the boards critics to a certain extent is that since our promotion they have been too prudent. We should have secured Dean Ashton in the August of our Premiership campaign. And then last summer I believed we should have backed Worthington in his quest to bring in a targetman (Hulse or Howard). Only in the case of Steve Howard have I got any sympathy with the boards stance because he could so easily have turned out to be another Peter Thorne and in that the transfer fee on top of the high wages was a gamble. It''s only with hindsight that we see Howard was fit for most of the season.

    What many of the boards critics refuse to see is how football has changed since the mid-nineties. It''s not possible to run football clubs in the way they were run in years gone by. We should always keep pressure on the board to produce a succesful team but we also need to try to understand the difficulties involved and how times have changed.

     

    [/quote]

    They bought Kerrison Rd playing field for £1million, the resturaunt cost £1million, £3.5million on the infill, £600k+on the pitch and undersoil heating, £1million on a Jarrold stand "refit",the "spaces for sport" facility and "construction of new office facilities for third party lettings" cost money. The development of the rest of the land the club own costs money (feasability studies,planning applications etc.)

     Page 4 of the 2004 accounts-"the group purchased approximately one acre of land from Norwich city council for £0.9million". Page 5 of the same accounts-"the group financed the purchase of six acres of land from Laurence Scott and Electromotors with a seperate facility of £2.5million". Page 8 of the latest accounts-"the group continued the improvement in the facilities and infrastructure at Carrow Rd, committing a further £3.9million".

    [/quote]

     

    The strategy of the board seems to be:

    1. Use TV money and other income to finance investments into bricks and mortar projects

    2. Use share issues from the fans to finance player transfer fees. (Ashton,Huckerby)

    The fan shares are basically worthless and unsellable, whereas Delia''s shares will be be backed up by all that propery development and worth a small fortune. In other words the current owners are doing exactly what Robert Chase did ten years ago.

     

     

     

    [/quote]

    When Chase ''left the building'' he certainly wasn''t out of pocket......and, if Delia were ever to depart, I''m pretty certain that she wouldn''t be out of pocket either.....It''s not just the mediocre football that''s the attraction y''know, and if anyone thinks otherwise.........well, there''s naivety, ignorance and there''s gullibility.......and there''s some folk who are guilty of all three.

    We are less than 15million in debt behind the ''mighty Leeds''......If we had been relegated, I''m pretty certain we''d have been in the same ''sh*t creek - aboard a canoe with a massive leak'''' only with a slightly larger paddle..........

    As much as I loathe that "Bearded Beelzebub Bates", he certainly knows how to ''utilise and manipulate his resources to achieve his gains''..........Hook or by crook, eh........Works for some. 

     

    [/quote]

    When Chase ''left the building'' the club was on the edge of oblivion. I have no idea whether he was out of pocket, only he could tell you. He left the club in a right royal mess though. Chase did however devote many years of his life getting the club the good times we had before it all went wrong. If Delia and MWJ were to depart I have no idea if they would be out of pocket either. But they would leave the club with much stronger foundations than they found it (yes even with the debt). And they also will have devoted many years of their life getting the club good times.

    Leeds have been relegated, they spent most of the season looking like being relegated in the relegation places in this league. We have not been relegated and have never looked like being relegated and spent none of this season in the relegation places in this league.

    I believe in what I believe in and although I don''t actually sit on the fence I can see both sides of the argument regarding how much money is invested in the football team. You believe in what you believe and I respect that too. I am not naieve, ignorant or gullible. Neither am I a sheep or Delia''s lap dog or an apologist for the board. Neither am I happy with being in the bottom half of this league and nothing in my posts suggests otherwise.

    I could end this post by suggesting others want to see us go into administration and would much rather Bates or even Ribsdale were running our club. I could suggest they want to see us lose matches and get relegated. I could suggest they are reckless naieve and gullible in believing the board are selling them short. I could suggest some are divisive in trying to stir up fans to protest againt the people who run the club. Tit for tat isn''t my thing though and the debate would just drop off the page and we would have to start all over again!

     

  21. nutty nigel

    Roger Munmby details future plans!

    [quote user="Cluck "]

    I think it is highly unfair for Munby to make himself look a total pillock like this....as it is depriving others of doing their job.  What next...Delia installing a couch in the Barclay End to get closer still to her lap dogs?

    Utter bilge....and if anyone sucks this in they really are in need of professional help. Cue NN..........[N]

    [/quote]

    Read the whole article and none of it makes any sense to me! I''d still like some professional help though!!

    Managing to get the obligatory Delia reference in so early in such a short post say''s more about you though Cluck [;)]

     

  22. nutty nigel

    a fair read

    [quote user="ricardo"][quote user="FUEL ROX"]

    http://www.rickwaghorn.co.uk/full_article.asp?i=1270&w=0&a=0&part=1

    testiment to being cautious as a board, in my opinion the board at present are not doing as bad as some think

    [/quote]

    Yeah Roxy, a very fair read indeed.

    Some posters would be very happy if we took a similar chance and it would be very nice if it all worked out. Unfortunately the Leeds example shows what might happen should it all go tits up.

    [/quote]

    It''s an interesting article for sure. And yes, I would rather have our prudence than the excessive recklesness of other clubs. But I can''t help feeling that there is a balance somewhere inbetween.

     

  23. nutty nigel

    Free bet this weekend

    My only selection for this week is Everton to beat Portsmouth.

    Everton are strong at home and will be aiming to finish 5th and a home win here would clinch their European place.

    Ray - we have been unlucky, especially the week before last. If we had won then I''m sure Dixmaar Racing handing over a cheque to The Academy thanks to selections form Pink Un Messageboard Posters would have generated publicity. Without that elusive win theres no real story. Let''s hope it happens this week.

     

  24. nutty nigel

    Well it could be worse...

    [quote user="Mr.Carrow"]

    After the club failed to sign Howard the board came out and stated that they didn`t think a 30 year-old was worth £1million given the unlikelihood of a resale value. Within a few days an interview with Worthy was printed in the local press entitled "Worthy-City must pay going rate" in which he politely had a dig at the board for not backing his judgement. A clear case of the board deciding whether or not to buy a player based on wider financial reasons rather than the impact the player may have on the team. Considering we have been crying out for a target man this season and given Howards form for Derby i think it is reasonable to say that had we bought him we could very well be in contention for a £50million promotion right now.

    [/quote]

    I have been banging on about this for the last 8 months! Nobody took any notice of what Worthington said at the time because the primary agenda then was to use everything he said agaist him. Worthington also said :-

     “It is most important from my point of view that we get people in as early as possible. The problem is that anybody who joins us now will be 2½ weeks behind in training and the very high levels of fitness we are trying to achieve.
    “We have to be proactive rather than reactive. We signed Dean Ashton in January instead of pre-season and I think the lesson should have been learned from that.
    “Things can develop very fast and it is a case of you can miss out if you don''t move swiftly.”

    Hulse was Worthingtons 1st choice and then Howard was plan B. After they had both signed for other clubs Worthy had this to say :-

    “There is not a lot of plan C, D, E, F, G, H from the point of view of the quality that we need to come into this football club and take us forward. I can go and sign five six-foot three strikers tomorrow for £100,000 apiece - they won''t do the job that we want because they are not good enough, simple as that, and if you want to move forward then you need good players within the club.
    “We have looked across the board and the two top targets were Hulse number one, and Howard number two.”
    “It is not a surprise because when there is not an abundance of those types of strikers about, they command high transfer fees, they command high wages,” he said. “Certainly in the Howard situation, yes, £1m is a lot of money for him, but if that''s what there is about and that''s the going rate at the time, then that''s it.
    “There is a budget here and it''s a tight budget and we have got to manage that very carefully to get the most from that and with having a tight budget you have got to be very careful how you spend it, simple as that.”

    But I don''t ever remember anyone from the board saying the reason Howard wasn''t signed was because of the unlikeliehood of a resale value. I thought they just didn''t feel he was worth the package we were going to have to pay:-

    A good example is striker Steve Howard - a 30year old with one year to run on his contract and who scored 14 League goals for Luton last season. We had in mind what we believed to be a fair price for the player. But faced with competition from the likes of Leeds, Derby, Stoke and others, the bidding soon escalated, with Derby ending up paying £1 million plus a very, very healthy player salary and other add-ons.

    In defence of the board over the Howard transfer it''s fair to say that many fans also saw it as too much of a gamble.And the board took a similar gamble, minus the transfer fee, with Peter Thorne the previous summer.

    It''s all water under the bridge now. Failing to get either player in the summer is a big part of the reason I say that this board hasn''t found the right balance between their much vaunted prudence and being reckless.

    What will be interesting though is to see whether Peter Grant has paid 2.25 times over the odds for a £100,000 six foot three striker or has unearthed a bargain! Only time will tell!!

     

  25. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"]

    What''s the evidence for even this?

    The profitability of restaurants is notoriously dicey.

    Do you have ''further & better particulars"?[*-)]

    OTBC

    [/quote]

    The evidence is in the Annual Report on pages 6 and 7.

    Would you be good enough to return the favour and answer my question on the other thread?

     

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