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  1. [quote user="megson"]cause the binners don''t own theirs........................[/quote]

    Colchester could buy it and then rent it back to old Red Chops on a match to match basis if he could afford it...

     

     

  2. No you aren''t the only one Bernard, but unfortunately neither player ever had the chance to do anything good for the fans to remember before injury struck. I have noticed that the other players and both Peter Grant and Worthington have continually commented that Thorne''s attitude has been first class but that can''t alter the fact that the only memories the fans will have of him is never being fit to play. Added to that it is rumoured that he is on£8000 a week and the reaction from the fans is understandable if not right.

     

  3. [quote user="BlyBlyBabes"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    My oldest NCFC memorabillia is the official handbook from the 1933-34 season when they played at "The Nest".

    My favourite book is Glorious Canaries past and present 1902 - 1994. And it''s signed by Jon Newsome and John Polston.

    I don''t collect programs but I have the one when my son was mascot against Sheffield Wednesday in 1987 which is signed by the players. The Wednesday team that day featured both Gary Megson and Nigel Worthington.

    I have the photo''s from the day my son was mascot where he is with Kevin Drinkell in the warm up and in the centre circle with Drinkell, Martin Hodge and the Match Officials just before kick off. My other favourite photo''s were only taken last weekend and they are of my grandson with Darren Huckerby and Peter Grant amongst others.

    I have got lots of other stuff too that special to me and most of all I have my memories of great games and great players and great goals from over 40 years support.

    I can''t help feeling a bit sad that some posters can even try to bring bitterness to this thread. There has only ever been one Norwich City in the 40 years I have been supporting them. And the future memories are still being made because we will marvel at Darren Huckerby''s goals this season in years to come too.

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    If you were honest you would have to admit that your ''great'' memories of the past 12 years are, comparatively, remarkably thin on the ground. Now why would that be? A hint - it has all do with persistent failure & naivity and nothing to do with bitterness. Sadly, facts are facts - and the sooner we all face up to them honestly, then the quicker our future will become brighter.

    OTBC

    OTBC

     

    [/quote]

    You couldn''t be more wrong BBB. Some of my memories from the last 7 years are right up there with those from the 60''s, 70''s and 80''s. The play-off final in Cardiff was equally as good as the cup final defeats by Spurs and Villa and for me personally better because I was with my 2 children in a far superior stadium to the old Wembley. The atmosphere was better too. The championship winning season under Worthington easily equaled the ones under Saunders and Brown. Watching Darren Huckerby has been the equal of watching Martin Peters and although I think that Peters was a better all round player Hucks is definitely more exciting. The victories at Poorman Road in 2000(Iwan2) and 2003(TOTLAPR) are the most memorable two there ever for me. The victory over Man.Utd in 2005 was one of our best league wins ever. The away day at Crewe in 2004 was the equal of Watford in 1972.

    I could go on and on and lots of posters probably think I am! Football is full of ups and downs ranging from total elation to total dispair, it always has been.

    Out of interest but not judgement how many games have you seen in the last 7 years to compare with what went before?

     

  4. This reminds me of the people who wanted us to lose so that Worthington got sacked.

    Or maybe reminds me more of a season in the early 90''s.

    May 2nd 1992 we was on a run where we had lost 7 of the last 8 scoring only twice in the process. We were beaten by the champions Leeds United and again we failed to score. This left us 18th and we finished just 3 points above relegation.

    Meanwhile envious canary eyes looked to the division below where Cambridge United were drawing 2-2 at Sunderland cementing themselves in the play-offs for a place in the first ever premiership. The eyes were on a certain Dion Dublin whose goals had propelled the Amber Army up through the leagues to the brink of the Premiership. Accusing canary eyes looked towards the board and manager Dave Stringer who had let Dublin leave this club for nothing after only a handful of reserve team games.

     Cambridge in the play-offs! Come on Cambridge!!!

    And why were Norwich fans so happy for them? Mainly because they thoroughly deserved it but also because it ought to [^o)] have produced red faces [:$] amongst the shameless shower [W] at Carrow Road.

    What happened?? Well, Cambridge drew 1-1 with Leicester in the first leg but lost the return 5-0. Alex Fergurson paid 1m to take Dion Dublin to Manchester United and Cambridge promptly fell back through the leagues.

    And us?? Dave Stringer resigned and the board appointed Mike Walker, an appointment lacking in ambition according to many of the fans. We took the first ever premiership by storm and were only run out of winning it in the final few weeks of the season. We qualified for Europe. Mike Walker became a hero and Dion Dublin was forgotten about until...............................................

     

     

  5. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    Mr. Carrow - I don''t believe the board focus on off the field projects rather than the team. I believe they try to create additional revenue streams in order to have more money to strengthen the team. When we  are disappointed by results and performances we look at kitchens and hotels and kick out but can you show me where these off-field projects are taking money from the team. We can cry out for people to invest in the club as loud as we like but the ultimate aim surely has to be to try and become self-financing for the future security of the club.

    Where I do agree with the boards critics to a certain extent is that since our promotion they have been too prudent. We should have secured Dean Ashton in the August of our Premiership campaign. And then last summer I believed we should have backed Worthington in his quest to bring in a targetman (Hulse or Howard). Only in the case of Steve Howard have I got any sympathy with the boards stance because he could so easily have turned out to be another Peter Thorne and in that the transfer fee on top of the high wages was a gamble. It''s only with hindsight that we see Howard was fit for most of the season.

    What many of the boards critics refuse to see is how football has changed since the mid-nineties. It''s not possible to run football clubs in the way they were run in years gone by. We should always keep pressure on the board to produce a succesful team but we also need to try to understand the difficulties involved and how times have changed.

     

  6. My oldest NCFC memorabillia is the official handbook from the 1933-34 season when they played at "The Nest".

    My favourite book is Glorious Canaries past and present 1902 - 1994. And it''s signed by Jon Newsome and John Polston.

    I don''t collect programs but I have the one when my son was mascot against Sheffield Wednesday in 1987 which is signed by the players. The Wednesday team that day featured both Gary Megson and Nigel Worthington.

    I have the photo''s from the day my son was mascot where he is with Kevin Drinkell in the warm up and in the centre circle with Drinkell, Martin Hodge and the Match Officials just before kick off. My other favourite photo''s were only taken last weekend and they are of my grandson with Darren Huckerby and Peter Grant amongst others.

    I have got lots of other stuff too that special to me and most of all I have my memories of great games and great players and great goals from over 40 years support.

    I can''t help feeling a bit sad that some posters can even try to bring bitterness to this thread. There has only ever been one Norwich City in the 40 years I have been supporting them. And the future memories are still being made because we will marvel at Darren Huckerby''s goals this season in years to come too.

     

  7. nutty nigel

    Town in takeover!!!!

    [quote user="a1canary"]but i won''t accept people spouting rubbish to support their arguments/campaigns.
    [/quote]

     

    Will you be my friend?? [*] [B] [;)]

     

  8. nutty nigel

    Town in takeover!!!!

    [quote user="7rew"]
    I''m just wondering what will happen when there are 27 forgein owned clubs that are trying to buy their way into europe - one won''t even make the championship playoffs - would not like to be that club.

    [/quote]

    This is a point I was trying to make the other day. Of course we all would like for our club to have big investment, foreign investment if need be, because then we can compete with the top clubs in the country again. But what happens if we are not the last to have that investment, what happens when the top 50 clubs in the country all have this investment. How will they all fit into the Premier League or even the Championship. How will the top clubs in the country react if they feel threatened by this investment. Will they just attract more investment from whatever source they can get it to keep their status as the Premierships top clubs whose right it is to play in the Champions League.

    So what happens when the big investors who have no real allegiance to their club realise they can''t buy the success they want. What ties will keep them at the club that''s begun to bleed them dry. Will they hang around and try to develop new revenue streams and work at making the club a success or will they turn their backs and walk away.

    This is not an argument against Delia being forced to sell up just a vision to where it will all end up. I don''t know the answers to all the questions in this post and I doubt if any of you do. What I do know is our game is becoming less and less about football and more and more about money. At the top level it''s already becoming a TV sport where the fans are measured by what they spend on merchandise instead of tickets.

    Where will it all end?

     

  9. nutty nigel

    takeover rumours

    What actually happened was:-

    ''When the whole Chase collapse happened,'' she says, ''a board director called Martin Armstrong said if we could put half a million in each we could both have a seat on the board. We were desperate to watch a flourishing, brilliant football club and we felt we had an opportunity to do something about it. As supporters you feel so powerless and hopeless and we had the opportunity to do something about it. It was not a big decision.

    ''At first, it was really, really bleak. Obviously the supporters didn''t trust us and I know how they felt because they had been let down in the past. I''m distrustful myself of people who suddenly come into football. And it was exacerbated by the press.''

    But what really saved the club was:-

     "Probably the only reason that the club is still in existence is the fact that Mr Watling bought those shares and put up seven-figure guarantees at the bank," added Bennett, as Geoffrey Watling''s crucial purchase of Chase''s shareholding kept the wolves from the door. A club that, in the words of one senior official "had the income of a Southend and the expenditure of Real Madrid" had been saved. Just.

     

  10. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="August 64"]

    "I don''t know about you, but I don''t call one week in the early stages of 2006-07 in the top 6 "play-off contention", though you probably would."

    I don''t know about you but I expect it in 2007-08.  The rest is history - let it go.  Play-off contention means being in the play-offs or close enough to qualify by the last game of the season.

    I am very ambitious for the Club.  I also believe in sustainable ambition.  Would I like to see the Club collapse in an attempt to spend our way back to the Premiership?  Definitely not.  Do I believe that we will spend enough to make promotion possible?  Yes.

    Such views don''t go down well with the La La Land supporters who hark back to the supposed golden age of Chase.  Live in the real world where Leeds are going down and potentially into administration after trying to buy a dream.  I was proud to be a Norwich fan the day we got Chase out.

    Being realistic and being ambitious are not mutually exclusive qualities. Discuss.

    August 64

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    I too was part of the "Chase out" movement and a proud man when we finally got him out. However.....We now have someone in overall control at the club who stated at the time that no one would ever have that much power at the club again. Maybe she exempted herself from that statement? We have a chairman who was initially joined the club under Chase and who`s main business interest is PR-and people wonder at the carefully phrased "spin"that comes out of the club? And we have an inexperienced Chief Executive who in my opinion is more negative than Chase ever was and has about as much drive and ambition as my neighbours poodle.

    I think the crowd who seem to prefer celebrating a nice, big profit at the end of each financial year (and subsequent large tax donation to the treasury) to success on the pitch are more likely to be the ones who supported the status quo when the Chase protests were going on.

    "Being realistic and being ambitious are not mutually exclusive qualities"- Bearing in mind that the "Huckerby"push for promotion was paid for by the fans through the share issues (as,indirectly, was half Ashtons fee), and that any subsequent money spent on the team has amounted to a mere fraction of the money recieved/owed on players we have sold, can you give me a shred of evidence to show there is ambition in the boardroom at Carrow Rd.?

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    Robert Chase had total control of the club. Everything revolved around him and he made the decisions about everything himself. He made a pretty good fist of it too until it all went wrong for him in our relegation season. We had some good times under his leadership and these should be remembered too. The current board recognised this and tried to build a team. The decisions now are made by that team and not just one person. You can''t honestly believe that Delia Smith makes all the decisions in the same way Robert Chase did.

    I don''t understand what your problem is with spending the money put in by the fans on Huckerby and Ashton. Surely that''s what the fans would have wanted it spent on? Incidentally, have you any idea which fans put in the most money to make this happen?

     

     

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    The last time i looked Delia had about the same percentage of shares that Chase had ie.over 50% and therefore complete control of the club. Of course i have no problem with the board spending the share issue money on players-but i do have a problem with them and their supporters using this as evidence of the boards supposed ambition when the fact is that there would not have been Huckerby/Mckenzie/Svensson and subsequent promotion unless it had been directly bankrolled by the fans. The board had an opportunity to show everyone the colour of their ambition a few months later when Crouch was available for £2.5million but decided that spending £500k on a central defender to play upfront was a more prudent course of action......Even Ashton was only signed (too late) because of the £1.5million budget surplus from the "B" shares. This in a period when the club has raked in £35million in tv money alone. Subsequent events have proved beyond doubt to me that this board will always see investment in the playing side as an occasional irritating distraction from the real business of restaraunts,land deals,subsiduary companies,hotels etc.etc.....

    [/quote]

    You are right Delia and MWJ are majority shareholders of the club. That wasn''t the issue and I don''t believe that Delia ever did state that no one should ever be majority shareholders at the club again. I will be happy to admit I am wrong if you can tell me when she did say it. What I believe she did say was "Robert Chase was the all- singing, all-dancing man, and everything revolved around him. What this board has tried to do is build a team."

    I think the share issue is evidence that Delia, MWJ and the fans ambitions are the same. Did they not match the money the fans put in?  Despite what some posters on here would have you believe they are fans just like you and me.

    To be honest,  while I agree that the board shouldn''t gamble big time I do believe they have been far too prudent since our promotion to the Premiership. Nigel Worthington criticised them last summer saying we have to become more proactive rather than reactive and citing the signing of Dean Ashton in January instead of pre season as an example we should have learned from. But at the time people were too interested in using everything he said against him to listen.

    Somewhere between recklessness and prudence is a balance that this board has yet to find.

     

  11. nutty nigel

    Poorest Player of the Season

    [quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]  I can''t beleive the admin cut my reasons for voteing money grabber Peter Thorne....  [N][/quote]

    [:D]

    But if this thread had been "biggest money grabber of the season" instead of "poorest player" admin would have been even busier! [;)]

     

  12. nutty nigel

    Town in takeover!!!!

    I think they have to get new owners before they can go into administration again as I don''t believe a club can go into administration twice under the same ownership. If this is true then a takeover may not be such a bad thing [;)]

     

  13. nutty nigel

    Poorest Player of the Season

    [quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]

    The odd tv game apart.....  [/quote]

    So, it could be said Etuhu only plays well when Delia sits with the fans???

     

  14. nutty nigel

    how far have we slumped???

    [quote user="Mr.Carrow"][quote user="August 64"]

    "I don''t know about you, but I don''t call one week in the early stages of 2006-07 in the top 6 "play-off contention", though you probably would."

    I don''t know about you but I expect it in 2007-08.  The rest is history - let it go.  Play-off contention means being in the play-offs or close enough to qualify by the last game of the season.

    I am very ambitious for the Club.  I also believe in sustainable ambition.  Would I like to see the Club collapse in an attempt to spend our way back to the Premiership?  Definitely not.  Do I believe that we will spend enough to make promotion possible?  Yes.

    Such views don''t go down well with the La La Land supporters who hark back to the supposed golden age of Chase.  Live in the real world where Leeds are going down and potentially into administration after trying to buy a dream.  I was proud to be a Norwich fan the day we got Chase out.

    Being realistic and being ambitious are not mutually exclusive qualities. Discuss.

    August 64

    [/quote]

    I too was part of the "Chase out" movement and a proud man when we finally got him out. However.....We now have someone in overall control at the club who stated at the time that no one would ever have that much power at the club again. Maybe she exempted herself from that statement? We have a chairman who was initially joined the club under Chase and who`s main business interest is PR-and people wonder at the carefully phrased "spin"that comes out of the club? And we have an inexperienced Chief Executive who in my opinion is more negative than Chase ever was and has about as much drive and ambition as my neighbours poodle.

    I think the crowd who seem to prefer celebrating a nice, big profit at the end of each financial year (and subsequent large tax donation to the treasury) to success on the pitch are more likely to be the ones who supported the status quo when the Chase protests were going on.

    "Being realistic and being ambitious are not mutually exclusive qualities"- Bearing in mind that the "Huckerby"push for promotion was paid for by the fans through the share issues (as,indirectly, was half Ashtons fee), and that any subsequent money spent on the team has amounted to a mere fraction of the money recieved/owed on players we have sold, can you give me a shred of evidence to show there is ambition in the boardroom at Carrow Rd.?

    [/quote]

    Robert Chase had total control of the club. Everything revolved around him and he made the decisions about everything himself. He made a pretty good fist of it too until it all went wrong for him in our relegation season. We had some good times under his leadership and these should be remembered too. The current board recognised this and tried to build a team. The decisions now are made by that team and not just one person. You can''t honestly believe that Delia Smith makes all the decisions in the same way Robert Chase did.

    I don''t understand what your problem is with spending the money put in by the fans on Huckerby and Ashton. Surely that''s what the fans would have wanted it spent on? Incidentally, have you any idea which fans put in the most money to make this happen?

     

     

  15. nutty nigel

    Poorest Player of the Season

    Love these threads!

    Popular answer No.1 has got to be Thorne but he wasn''t the poorest player on the few occasions he played, so he was probably the most injured excuse ridden player.

    Popular  answer No.2 has to be Doherty. I could really gain some "message board cred" by suggesting this one. But he hasn''t been, neither has he given away most free kicks that cost us goals or most fouls around the box. He is probably our most ungainly awkward player though.

    Popular answer No.3 would be Etuhu but he wasn''t either. Neither has he been our most inconsistent player as MOM nominations throughout the season prove. Most used player in the team(50 appearances if he plays on Sunday) but most abused player on these boards. Now McVeigh is not around he probably does have the best song! (How I wish we had something upbeat like that for Hucks rather than the dirge we sing now).

    For me, our poorest player, was Paul Gallacher.

     

  16. nutty nigel

    Well it could be worse...

    [quote user="Cluck "][It''s little more than blackmail in truth and the excessive season ticket allocation is the scam of the decade.

    [/quote]

    It''s no secret that I am not a fan of the excessive season ticket allocation. I really don''t understand how this club can sell around 20,000 season tickets during a period of decline and unrest. And yet in season 92/93 we spent week after week at the top of the premiership in what is regarded as our most succesful league season and had 10 home league gates of less than 15,000. It may be a scam but if so I don''t understand how it works. Maybe you could explain it to me cluck?

     

  17. nutty nigel

    Well it could be worse...

    [quote user="mystic megson"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

    Some fans really do need to wake up to the changes in football since the days when we could challenge at the very top end of the league. It''s the old prudence or ambition chestnut but we have to recognise both both can come with a high price.

    [/quote]

    Challenging at the top of the Championship would suit me fine.  Anyone disagree? 

     

    [/quote]

    It would suit me fine too Mystic. By that I mean being at least where Colchester are now, going into the final game with something to play for. If you mean the same then it''s just possible that we have found some common ground between you, me and the board.

    It''s disappointing that we have fallen well short of that this season. That''s probably more common ground. So you see - we can all be on the same side. [;)]

     

  18. nutty nigel

    Dion Dublin

    [quote user="cityangel"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

    Not training with the squad puts his performance in perspective - how much better could he have been had he worked at building an understanding with his partners on the training ground too?

    I didnt realise he was not with the club day in day out, reducing the influence he could have on our youngsters and the squad as a whole.   I agree that if we can keep him on as a player/coach it would be an excellent start to the close season signings.  Come on Dion - you know you want too - but you would have to commit to being at the club every training session.

    [/quote]

     

    I''m sure he trains with them Thursdays and Fridays but guess that we have to make a compromise if we want to keep him.I don''t see anything wrong with him training with Villa for a couple of days, if that makes his family happy and him happy.

    Real solution would be to offer him a years playing contract and then a guaranteed coaching job at the end of it, perhaps then Mrs Dublin would consider moving to beautiful Norfolk.

    [/quote]

    I would imagine Peter Grant see''s a problem with it though City Angel. And maybe some of the other players would too. I am guessing that the only reason this was allowed to happen in the first place was because we signed him at the last minute when we failed to get a replacement for McKenzie. The sticking point on that "great package" the club have offered is probably that he commits to training full time. Much as I would like him to stay I do understand this. We can''t manufacture a job for him at the end of the contract, if we promise him a coaching position then we have to promise someone else the sack.

    I really want him to stay too though.

     

  19. nutty nigel

    Well it could be worse...

    I read this today:-

    The intoxicating wine of the Premiership went to Bradford''s heads, prompting what was, with the gift of hindsight, an ill-judged spending spree in the summer of 2000.

    Bradford wanted to be more than mere survivors, and although manager Chris Hutchings was nominally the hand on the wheel, the steering was provided by chairman Geoffrey Richmond.

    Bradford paid fees for Ashley Ward (£1.5m), Dan Petrescu (£1m), David Hopkin (£2.5m), and while Benito Carbone, Ian Nolan and Peter Atherton arrived on free transfers, and Stan Collymore on a loan, they all commanded big salaries.

    And I read this about Leeds yesterday:-

    I''ve seen quite a lot of them over the last decade or so , knowing supporters and people at the club, and the football they played at the beginning of O''Leary''s tenure was breathtaking at times-however, they wouldn''t live within their means, and I remember well a friend of mine saying, and he is Leeds mad, that, when they signed Ferdinand, on that very day, he said "...that''s it, we''re finished now..." -how prophetic was that? And I don''t think he was the only one who, deep down, felt that way.

    Somewhere between these examples and the example of  Watford''s acceptance of relegation from day one is a middle ground where teams have a fighting chance of survival in the premiership without risking the future of the club. Sheffield United look to have done it this season and whatever people say we came close in our season.

    Some fans really do need to wake up to the changes in football since the days when we could challenge at the very top end of the league. It''s the old prudence or ambition chestnut but we have to recognise both both can come with a high price.

     

  20. nutty nigel

    Free bet this weekend.

    Sorry guys!

    I think we were close though but I feel a bit bad for not including Stoke for Jas. I did seriously consider it but I went with Birmingham instead, at least it didn''t make any difference. At least I did manage to pick the right ones from Blahblahblah, Gorleston Jim and mbncfc''s selections.

    Ray - you did brilliant in getting this off the ground, it''s just a shame we didn''t manage to win for the academy. But I have really enjoyed being part of it. Many thanks to you for making it happen and Dixmar racing for sponsoring this for us.

     

  21. nutty nigel

    Saints and the Worlds 19th Richest Man !

    Yes I think they are a PLC blah and their annual report is feely available to download on here.  The Chairmans statements with that report make interesting reading.

    Whether we are running behind the times as we are is an interesting point. I believe the club is more stable as we are and there is less risk of things going drastically wrong. 

    The thing we should probably think about though is even if the top 50 clubs in this country (of which we are certainly one) all become PLC''s and attract signifiacant investment,  the Premiership will still only have enough room for 20 of them.

     

  22. nutty nigel

    Tomorrows lap of honour???

    [quote user="spud"]like pay for fans to travel to sheff wed next week.[/quote]

    Maybe they didn''t think of that [8-)]

     

  23. nutty nigel

    Scum word is so offensive

    [quote user="ray ducker"]Scum word , well offensive  ? maybe , but what about the day that will go down in history , the day of the sand pails do" they "want to talk about that ? no i didn''t think "they" would . a day that will live in our memories  for ever .[/quote]

    I wasn''t present on "The Day Of  The Sand Pails" but I have heard the story quite a few times from those that were.

    Cheating scum that day for sure. Offensive or not!

     

     

  24. nutty nigel

    Tomorrows lap of honour???

    [quote user="cityangel"]

    I read somewhere that its going to be a lap of recognition, which will recognise the wonderful support they''ve had this year from us fans.

    Yes I''ll be staying [:)]

    [/quote]

    That''s what it is every season City Angel. It never is a lap of honour for the players.

    I''ll be staying too [:)]                     Like I did last year [8-)]

     

  25. My first game at Carrow Road was in February 1967 to see Norwich City play Sheffield Wednesday. Today I am going to Carrow Road to see Norwich City play Southampton. In between I have seen all the players listed and many more play under all the managers listed and some more. The one thing I am very sure of is that there''s only one Norwich City!

    The thread brings back memories though, who else remembers David Stringer scoring that goal at Watford to win us the championship under Ron Saunders in 1972 wearing that red away shirt.

     

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