Indy_Bones

[quote user="cross eyed chris"]chill lard arse it aint meant to look cool[/quote]Nice to see people being so polite...As for looking cool, actually fitting would be better.........

On a side note for all those making ''fat'' jibes, or suggesting diets, how about going up to Schwarzenegger in his heydey and calling him fat with his 57" chest...Tall, well built people need bigger sizes than shorter, more slight individuals.I however can''t claim to have a chest like Arnie''s, and probably could do with losing a few pounds, but that shouldn''t mean that I can''t support my team, just because someone can''t be arsed to offer a couple of larger sizes, when shedloads of other clubs do.

It''s not even just the ''fitted'' part, but simply the fact that I need a 52-54" chest, and the largest shirt on offer is 48", so regardless of fit - I can''t buy one.It''s far easier to buy a smaller shirt to get a tighter fit, than it is to simply get a shirt that does fit in the first place.They go as low as 24" - when the UK average is 38-42", which gives a 14" lower difference compared to the average, yet only a 6" higher. If that difference was applied equally, I''d have the shirt that fits, and you could pick up a nice tight 24" top and we''d both be happy, instead 1 of us will be, and the other can''t even get a shirt.Thanks for that...

Yet another total disgrace as far as I''m concerned - not because of the colours, design or even manufacturer, but simply due to the fact that anyone of an above average size can''t buy a shirt to support the team - at least not if they actually want to wear it...I''ve checked with the majority of other manufacturers, and many happily go up to 54" and beyond - Adidas/Chelsea even offer 8XL shirts, yet the best we can offer is a 48" max from our fabulous choice. It was bad enough squeezing into a 5XL "Flybe Fitted" monstrosity, but the fact I can''t even buy a shirt now is beyond a joke.How about actually seeing what potential demand for more ''outsizes'' is, instead of just thinking "**** you" to those of us of bigger build?The sooner we get rid of this Mickey Mouse manufacturer, and get someone who provides good quality kits in a good range of sizes the better.We''ve had racism, sexism, ageism and now we''re getting sizeism.I guess us chunky fans are lesser class citizens as far as this club is concerned...

[quote user="King Korey"]thoroughly disappointed.. only positive is it aint baggy![/quote]And your positive is my biggest negative.FFS when will these people realise that we don''t all have figures like pro footballers (or Italian models...), and therefore need a less ''fitted'' design to avoid looking ridiculous.Looks like I''ll not be getting a new kit until we change manufacturers at this rate...boy am I pissed off...

[quote user="First Wizard"]And I bet you think the world is flat don''t you bones? give it up man you''ve been rumbled  .........and about time too![/quote]How can someone be ''rumbled'' for voicing their opinion?I''ve given the information/facts as I''ve seen them and it appears that most don''t agree, that''s fair enough, but at least many of the replies have had some content and structure to them, instead of some minor petty jibe...And at least I tend to stand by my opinion instead of constant flip-flopping like a certain pointy hat wearing poster...On a note with regards to his reserve team performances, I find it incredible that a player who previously wins back to back ''keeper of the year'' awards, but apparently makes constant mistakes, has poor handling, positioning and defensive co-ordination,. somehow only manages to concede 3 goals in 5 games, whereas the ''superior'' keeper lets in 10 in the same amount. Was Theo just incredibly lucky game after game??? It all comes down to how people view players, and if you''ve convinced yourself that you don''t rate/like a player then you''re unlikely to notice the good play they do because you''ll be looking for them to make the tiniest error to then pick up on, and blow out of proportion. It''s something most fans do, so it''s a not a surprise to me when I see it, but that doesn''t make it right.But as I said earlier, he''s gone now, so it''s somewhat of a moot point anyway...

[quote user="Buckfast"]Indy Bones, is talking crap. He had chances in the reserves and looked a clown, he had chances in training and Lambert obviously didnt fancy him. Lambert looked to be kicking out Doc, but he worked hard in training and gradually became a 1st team regular again. Theoklonkitis clearly didnt. Will never forget his interview after the 1-7 game, on local news, where he was grinning and laughing about it. Tosser.[/quote]No, I''m voicing my opinion, the fact you don''t agree with it doesn''t make it crap.With regards to the reserves where either Theo or Rudd played we see:Theo: Southend Clean Sheet, conceded pen against Watford due to awful backpass from Francomb, Stevenage Clean Sheet, 1 against Northampton, 1 against West Ham, Rudd: 5 against Peterborough, 1 against Ipswich, 3 against Wycombe, 1 against Ipswich, Stevenage Clean Sheet So Theo conceded 3 in 5 games (0.6 goals conceded per game), compared to Rudd with 10 in 5 (2 goals conceded per game)So your ''clown'' conceded 7 less goals than ''wunderkind'' Rudd did in the same amount of appearances. Are you going to now try telling me that the rest of the team put more effort in when Theo played? Or maybe the 7 less goals conceded were just freak occurences?And can we finally put this nonsense to bed about Doherty working hard to impress the manager for a recall, it was plain and simply down to injuries that Doherty got called back, I''m not denying that he''s done a good job since then, but his recall WAS NOT based upon playing well in the reserves. If another side had shown any real interest in him before this point, he''d have been off like a shot and Lambert would have been happily waving him off.On a final note regarding the 7-1 result, it was not all down to a single player''s below par performance. Maybe he should have handled the backpass better, but WTF was Semi thinking in the first place to give such a dire ball back? As for Theo''s response to the press afterwards, it''s probably just his way of dealing with things, I''ve seen people get tearful/angry/sad etc as their response, I''m not saying that it''s the method I''d choose, but that doesn''t mean that he''s a tosser.At the end of the day he''s gone now and we''ll never actually know if he was truly good enough because he wasn''t given the first team chance to prove it. I do think he should have been played against Yeovil and I do think he should at least have been given a spot on the bench until Rudd/Steer prove they are ready like Forster has done, but Lambert has the decision here, and most of his others I''ve agreed with and have helped us massively, so I just have to hope that it is a case of a player suddenly turning crap instead of a personal dislike towards a player.

[quote user="dhickl"][quote user="Indy_Bones"]He only missed the JPT game because no-one bothered to tell him about the match - a fact that the club have never denied. [/quote]I''m sorry but that is no excuse.  The club managed to keep it a secret from him?  How come a thousand or two fans managed to find out there was a game?  He''s paid by the club to play football - which means turning up for the games.  He was in the squad, he should turn up.  No-one telling him that there is a game on is not an excuse. [/quote]I see...So it''s your contention that players who aren''t told they are in the matchday squad automatically travel to away games regardless???Of course he knew there was an away match, the point was that no-one bothered to tell him that he was in the squad to travel, and if you''re not in the squad, then you aren''t expected on the team bus...

[quote user="ROBFLECK"]I don''t think there is one City supporter who''s sad to see him go... Maybe Gunn?[/quote]You can count me on that list as well.I''m stunned at the attitudes displayed by many fans towards Theo, especially when a number of those fans were up in arms when players like Lappin, Hoolahan and Doherty were stuck in the reserves.Lappin has been an important part of our season (although I think he''s too lightweight tbh) yet if left to Roeder he''d never have played for us again, despite a good attitude and working hard in training/reserve games.Doherty only got called back due a string of injuries, not because he was awesome in reserve matches/training, as far as he was concerned he was just waiting for the move to come along.Hoolahan was clearly stuck in there to make a point, but even now despite his ability gives us some issues due to the necessary formation options to accomodate him fully.Theo however was given no fair chance. He only missed the JPT game because no-one bothered to tell him about the match - a fact that the club have never denied. It''s clearly a combination of his opening day performance and Lambert''s own view that has restricted his opportunity, and it''s wrong tbh.Thierry Henry went something like 17 games without scoring when Arsenal signed him, but if the view of many of our fans was applied, he''d have been binned into the reserves well before this point, his attitude dismissed as not being good enough, and with everyone claiming he was just an awful player and should be sold off instead of stealing money from the club, but we all know he shit Henry was don''t we...It makes no real difference to us as a club now, but seeing players treated like this really pisses me off.

I just hope he ends up at a club that''s willing to give him a fair opportunity instead of one that dismisses you on the back of a single poor game...

Well, that''s that then.In my opinion this situation has been handled very poorly, after a bad opening game (when no-one played well), this guy was frozen out and not given any opportunity to prove his worth to the club.It happened with Lappin under Roeder, who when given the chance with Gunn/Lambert played well, it happened with Doherty and Lambert this season and when recalled has played well, guess we''ll never know with Theo...Good luck mate, all the best for the future and I hope you go to a club that gives you a fair opportunity instead of writing you off on the back of a single game.

I''ve already posted my own opinion on Theo here: http://www.pinkun.com/cs_pinkun/cs/forums/2003636/ShowPost.aspxBut as a concise version I feel that he''s a better keeper than he''s been given credit for, but has been a victim of circumstance. He didn''t have a great game against Col U (Being fair who did from our side???), and hasn''t been given a chance since, he''s just been chucked in the reserves and left to rot.Roeder did this to Lappin and now he''s one of the first names on the team sheet, also Lambert dropped Doherty in there and told him he could leave, but due to a spate of injuries Doherty got another chance to impress and hasn''t looked back since.I''ve seen a decent amount of footage of Theo and I can say that''s he''s good enough for this level, and possibly the CCC as well (not Prem however...), but he needs the chance to show it.

I see...So because a team is top of the league that makes them automatically immune to any form of analysis or potential criticism (constructive or otherwise)?I don''t think you''ll find a fan on here that isn''t happy with our league position or the change that Lambert has brought to this club, but that doesn''t mean that some of us cannot venture our own opinion on things just like a lot of fans will do in the pub after/before the match.If I see a certain player have a number of poor games where another option may potentially have performed better, what''s wrong with offering that opinion on here? As long as the opinion is fairly well constructed and has supportive reasoning then I see no issue with it. This is far different than the odd fan who just comes on here and vents their spleen about a player, giving harsh and often totally nonsensical comments because of some bizarre reason such as personal dislike or some other inane reasoning.As far as I''m concerned, if a single fan has an opinion that no-one agrees with, it''s often because that opinion isn''t truly worth proper consideration, if however 500+ fans shared that opinion, I''d be far more inclined to consider the merits of that opinion, but without putting that opinion out there to be analysed in the first place, we have no way of knowing if something is an isolated or indeed a shared viewpoint.Let''s not confuse constructive debate with bile filled arguments, nor should we insist that fans no longer be allowed to discuss their views on an internet forum - if I wanted to take a vow of silence, Id have joined a monastery...

[quote user="Robert N. LiM"]My view is that a) Wes is so good in this league that we should be building a system to accommodate him[/quote]Interestingly that''s the total opposite of my opinion.I don''t feel ANY team should be built around a single player (or two for that matter), because a lot of the time this leads to major headaches when that player is unavailable and also often promotes over-reliance on that player to perform, and when they have an off game - so does the team.We''ve seen this in recent years with Hucks, fantastic player who could win a match, but our system was setup to give him the freedom he needed, which often lead to us being much weaker in other areas, and left us somewhat impotent when he wasn''t there. Also, how often did we really look to play the ball down the right or even through the middle when he was on the pitch? Far less than we looked for him is the correct answer.Wes is arguably the only real player we have who can shine in the role he''s currently employed in, so what do we do when he''s not there, or not performing, or getting marked out of games? The answer is often not too much because of our reliance on having him, Holt and Martin on the pitch together we have no real flexibility or options. 4-4-2 doesn''t work very well because Wes doesn''t play anywhere near as well when he''s on the left hand side, and although McNamee can play on the right, it''s not his best position. Assuming we did do that however we''re then left with 2 highly attacking players on the sides who simply don''t track back to help defend leaving the defence far more exposed.The ideal way to organise a team is to go with the formation and style of play that the manager wants to use and feels would be effective, and then slot the players in accordingly, looking to use the transfer market when needed to do so. Our problem is that we can''t afford to do this properly and are left with two alternatives - use a compromised system to cater to the current squad, or use the system wanted but compromise on players in certain positions. As Lambert has correctly established, the former is certainly the best option for us based on our current squad, but that doesn''t mean it''s our ideal choice.I think this is highlighted by Lambert''s signing of McNamee who''s a much more orthodox attacking left winger who can fit in better with a few different systems.I''m not saying that we''ve played badly with the diamond (although recent performances have been somewhat poor), nor am I jumping to snap judgements about making wholesale changes, but if our system is showing serious weaknesses, then we either need to look at changing personnel or tactics, and it will be Lambert''s decision on how or even if he does this.

[quote user="Tim Allman"]There were three different Dicksons that I saw playing for Norwich in his time at Carrow Road....The first Dickson I saw was Quality Dickson...The second Dickson I saw Dreadful Dickson...The last Dickson I saw was End of Season Dickson...We were much better off without him and with the cash.[/quote]Couldn''t agree more Tim.On his good days he looked like a top class midfielder and I wondered how we''d managed to mug Preston off for such a relatively low transfer fee, the problem as you correctly state was that he only played like this sporadically, and the rest of the time we had a totally ineffective man mountain, aimlessly ambling around the midfield.I remember making a post around that time regarding confidence players, and that Etuhu was a prime example of this in that if he felt wanted and respected by his teammates and that they had total faith in his ability - he''d have a blinder, outside of this the confidence wasn''t there and he felt a bit lost and unsure hence his generally poor performances. The issue was that he wanted this reassurance on virtually a daily basis, and he just didn''t get it as much as he wanted/needed.It takes not only a great manager, but also a very supportive team to get these players playing consistently well, and we never managed to get both of those together properly whilst Etuhu was here, maybe because the players didn''t want to spend all there time ''bigging up'' a teammate just so he''d put some effort in on Saturday - who knows?I still think that we got a damn good fee for him considering these shortcomings, and given the choice again, I''d still sell him on because the amount of ''maintenance'' needed to get these players performing can often outweigh their contribution, especially if it comes at a cost to the team in general.

[quote user="Harry"]They all look a little snug for those of us with a portlier frame. [;)][/quote]Arguably my biggest concern.Half of the time I''d rather have something that looks average but fits well, than something that looks stunning - but only if you''re an Italian pin-up model...I still want our famous "Canary Droppings" shirt to return, looks amazing even now and is certainly distinctive and individual.

He''s not a bad player to be fair, but this is clearly his level and assuming we go up, I think he''d struggle somewhat.Better than Semi? In some ways such as attitude and effort - yes, but he doesn''t have the attacking potential Semi had (but rarely used).He''s a solid enough player who''s done a decent job for us compared to Semi who regularly underperformed despite his ability, if we could have had a regularly performing Semi, I''d have taken him every day over Martin.

Askou and Whitbread for me, with Spillane on the right as I think R.Martin is just about good enough for L1, but not CCC quality.

[quote user="I.S."]Oh give it a rest, you muppet.[/quote]Maybe you should start taking you''re own advice...[quote]Slate Doc if you want[/quote]Happy to[quote]I''ll repeat again, the game against Southampton was just like a repeat of last season. The centre backs got zero protection from a terrible pair of fullbacks, and a non-existent midfield, and were made to look stupid. From the front, through to the back today, nobody maintained possession. By all means pretend that the centre-backs are the root cause of the problem, but anyone who knows their salt will realise that you could have put Terry and Ferdinand in our defence today, and we would still have conceded at least two goals. We miss Drury massively IMO.[/quote]Dear god, you really do need to go to Specsavers.Neither Doherty or Nelson played well today (in fact we were crap in general), but Doherty at times was non-existent in his tackling and it wasn''t the full backs fault, for those not able to see the full game, the highlights on the Football League Show do nothing to further his cause as it clearly shows him being highly ineffective on a number of their attacks and regulalrly leaving men until too late, a prime example being their second goal - who was he marking????Nelson was arguably the worse of the two, but how Doherty can be defended for his shift today is beyond me.Also, it''s more difficult to give support from the midfield to the defence when you''ve just lost your holding midfielder and need to still be attacking for an equalizer to at least earn a point...The centre backs are not the only culprits, but to excuse their poor performance as being purely the fault of the midfield is laughable. Extra support or not, neither of our centre backs played well and were exposed for the highly limited players they are.I''m not even going to comment on your Terry and Ferdinand point, because it isn''t a point, and the mere suggestion is beyond laughable to a whole new level of insanity.The fact is that neither of our centre halves today are good enough for the Championship, which is why people want Askou and Whitbread to be put in. We''ve arguably not seen enough of either to judge correctly, and certainly not as a partnership, but from what I have seen, I''d take them every day over Doherty and Nelson.But hey, you keep blaming the midfield if you want - instead of accepting and realising the limitations Doherty and Nelson possess..

[quote user="grantroederdisaster"]I honestly think you''d struggle to find a better CB in this League[/quote]That''s the point we''re making. Doherty was not signed as a League 1 defender, he wasn''t even signed as a Championship defender, he was signed as a Premiership quality player, and it''s not been until this season that we''ve seen him perform pretty well in most games.No-one is questioning his performance this season, simply that we''re not going to sing his praises when he should really have been playing at this performance level for the past 4-5 years, not just now when we''re up against weaker opposition.[quote]The Doc was one of our best players last season and overall has had many more good games than bad games![/quote]I''d suggest that''s debateable, because for as many decent challenges he''s made, we can count far more occurences of "bear hugging", clumsiness, slow reactions, and a number of other failings. The problem with Doherty is that even if he doesn''t make that many mistakes in a game, the ones he does make are often big ones which have at times been game breaking. I''ve seen more of these type of errors or similar from Doherty than I have other options we''ve played, hence my general lack of belief in the player.[quote]As for Houstons reakoning that if the Doc was that good then why wasn''t clubs interested in him? Well how do we know clubs wern''t?  For the record I was told that Watford and Plymouth did show some interest in the Doc and something may well of happened had the Doc not broke back into the side![/quote]Let''s not be coy here, if these other clubs were genuinely interested, the move would have happened. With the financial situation of the game, most clubs cannot simply afford to turn down free transfers of players of the required standard, and if it was felt that Doherty was at this level - why no move? Can you honestly tell me that Plymouth and Watford are affluent enough to ignore apparent CCC quality players on free transfers? Maybe there were concerns over wages, but even so, there would have been a meeting to discuss this, something that none of the parties ever claim to have occurred.We can''t say 100% one way or the other, but surely you have to admit that the evidence here strongly suggests a lack of genuine interest?To clarify my position here:I feel that Doherty is a League 1/Low CCC level defender who''s performing well this season, but has been erratic previously and even now can look lacking in composure and a potential liability with flailing arms and often uncoordinated looking movement. I don''t think he''s good enough to be a regular player assuming we go back up, and unless he''s available for comparatively low wages as a cheap squad backup option, he should be moved on in the summer.

[quote user="Broadstairs Canary"]If we get promotion then next season will be fascinating.[/quote]Absolutely, the question is whether or not Lambert can maintain his performance with a League 1 side in the CCC, especially when finances will be limited to make serious improvements. We have the skeleton of a good CCC side but Fraser has been a major contributor to our results this season and I doubt we''ll be seeing him back again unless we can cut a major deal with Newcastle, which means if not, then the signing of a GK will be another drain on the aforementioned finances.Again - fascinating to see how it will play out.

[quote user="SimonOTBC"]How would I know who came in for him and how would you know? The only thing I am sure of is that you are stating clubs didn''t come in for him, so it is entirely up to you to prove it. I made no claim as to whether clubs had or hadn''t come in for him, I merely said him not moving did not prove your point that he is not in demand.[/quote]I find it interesting that we''ve had endless reports, posts, rumours, paper talk and god knows what else for the last 10 years covering everything from Carl Cort in ASDA to signing Steffen Iversen, or that Shrewsbury were interested in Cureton, yet when Doherty was advised he could leave by Lambert where were all the reports linking him with alternative options? Where were the ''Doherty to sign on free for CCC side'', or "Doherty ending 6 year relationship with Norwich to join..."?Surely a player of the caliber than many are painting on here would be widely wanted by a number of clubs, particularly on a free transfer, and yet we heard virtually nothing about him leaving apart from a potential loan move to Watford.Does this mean there was a lack of interest? Maybe that Doherty decided to stay and fight for his place? The fact is that we don''t know the truth of the matter, but the indications are clearly there that he was freely available and not 1 club made the decision to sign him.Keeping this in mind I decided to have a look for what info I could find about this loan move and found some interesting comments from a couple of the links:This is from a Watford forum: "I can tell you that every goal that Norwich have conceded in the last five years has either been the fault of him or Drury. He is not up to the Championship. Crap in the air, awful judgement, slow as an arse.""No pace, poor marker, numerous goals conceded due to his mistakes, struggling to get into a league one side.....there is a clue in the "told he can leave" quote..it''s because he''s utterly useless.""you study every goal that Norwich have conceeded in the past few years and he will be in the mix of it, slicing the ball, missing a header getting outpaced. The only positive I can say about him as a player is that he is dangerous at set pieces, otherwise, I would rather an a raw inexperiened academy player in the team than that pikey $hit scummer""he''s a grade A donkey who i never want to see in a Watford shirt, pile of sh*t""My God lets pray this isnt true, awful awful signing this would be""Never seen the guy have a good game. Ever.""It''s in the Eastern Daily Press today, suggesting that he may be coming to us on loan, If so, i would suggest a five minute loan, as it wouldn''t take a blind man any longer than that to realise that he is complete carp!""Any manager who even thinks about signing the ginger Pelè should be sacked with immediate effect.""Please god, not gary doherty, i would rather have my mum play for us than him!"Food for thought there, but maybe that''s just Watford fans, what do others think?Well just as an example there''s also:"Doherty''s way of playing would be better suited on a Rugby pitch. ""as for Doherty, I remember walking out of WHL and vowing never to return until he was sold!!!""This half bald klutz was bought by Spurs from Luton Town by David Pleat. The idea was that he would be Spurs'' Dion Dublin. Apparently, he was - like Dublin - equally good at centre half and centre forward. This turned out to be sort of true. Doherty was, indeed, equally good at centre forward and centre back. He was terrible at both. For a big man, his heading ability was terrible; he had no first touch and no pace at all. Thus, deservingly, he is now playing for Norwich City""I must express my surprise at the inclusion of Gary Doherty (not that my opinion is particularly informed). Whenever he''s played against my team, Cardiff City, he''s always looked very erratic!""He''s certainly not the most elegant of footballers and often miss-times tackles giving away needless fouls."And my personal favourites from Doherty himself after being advised by Lambert he was surplus to requirements:"I would rather get away, I don''t know if a loan is a good idea, but I am just going to look at my options and see what the craic is, what''s out there.""We sat down and he said I wasn''t really in his plans, He told me he was going with other players which was fair enough, that is what managers do, but then with all the injuries we''ve got he just asked me in and said, ''Where is your head at? I need you to play"So we have clear evidence from the player that his recall to the team was purely due to injuries and not Lambert suddenly having either a ''Eureka!'' or "what have i done..." moment. It''s to Doherty''s credit that he''s played well since this point, but let''s be reasonable here and admit that he wasn''t recalled on ability. We can also clearly see that Doherty felt that a move would be the right choice, but more on a perm deal than as a loan, yet despite stating his desire to leave, he didn''t...I could go on here, but I''m sure we can also find plenty of stuff out there praising the guy also.However this in itself proves something, in that opposing clubs don''t want anything to do with signing him, a number of our fans also don''t rate the guy that highly, and yet despite these factors we still get a number of dissenting views stating what a good player he is. I''ve heard loads of feedback over the years about Norwich players, from effusive praise towards players like Hucks and Ashton, to indifference in Francis and Mckenzie, but I''ve never heard as much poor feedback or abuse as I have about Doherty. There seems to be an almost blanket like dislike of the players ability outside of the club from other fans, many of whom are baffled that we''ve still got him, and some even more so that he''s receiving praise for playing well at this level when he was meant to be Prem standard.I''m sure many know my own opinion about him, and if not can probably gather it purely from this post, but the fact is that he hasn''t been good enough for us in previous seasons, and chances are that he wouldn''t be next season assuming we go up. That doesn''t mean we can''t get the best out of him now whilst at this level, but simply that we are going to need better options in the CCC.So in response to the initial thread title - Respect for his effort level - Absolutely, Respect for his Ability - Probably never. I just can''t respect someone for picking up Prem or CCC wages whilst playing League 1 standard football, something that Doherty has done for a number of seasons for us. That he''s found his real level this season should be blatantly apparent to even most blinkered fans, and the fact that Spurs managed to mug us off for £750k+ for a League 1 defender is an outrage.Hopefully this will be a moot point however next season...

[quote user="Messiah"]Roeder as mis-director of football.[/quote]That''s not as daft as it might sound.Roeder often had a good eye for talent and potential, and clearly had some decent contacts in the prem, the problem was that he struggled to manage the players when they got here.I''m not saying we should even consider however, and although I don''t agree with the DOF idea in general, I have to say that Roeder might do well in the role.

[quote user="Yarmyed"]I would not like that. It would be painfully similiar to that horrible kit Man Utd had a few years back http://www.manchesterunitedshirts.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/newtonheathyellowgreen.jpg[/quote]That kit was quality! I know a load of Man Utd fans who''d really like to see it back again.

[quote user="Salford City YELLOW"]Something simple but tailored would do the job. Xara are f**king awful and I''ve not bought a kit for years because of the baggyness[/quote]F**K me, you must be one thin individual to have this problem, my issue is that even the largest size is skintight...''Fitted'' kits just look awful on larger individuals, whereas a more open fit can look decent on virtually anyone.As for kit style, I''d like a change from Xara to someone who uses better material and printing and does sizes all the way up to 8XL, I''d like a collar and neck like the one used for the Man Utd 92/93 yellow and green kit (the one with the laces on the front), and I''d like to see a return of the outstanding ''canary droppings'' colour scheme.Give me all that in a less restrictive fit, and I''ll buy more than one shirt...