shortfatb

[quote user="kennyfoggo"]Old barclay[img]http://city-book.co.uk/library/carrow10.jpg[/img][/quote]I started on the left hand side of the Barclay when I was 12-13 and by the time I was 15 I was in the middle section with my silky scarf tied to my wrist, anyone else remember those. It used to be pretty scary and when we scored you used to just all topple forward until you hit a barrier or a person so stop you. For some reason the day United took the roof off I was lucky enough to be safe in the South Stand, was that the same day Duncan Forbes (6ft 2, eyes of blue etc..) tried to kick Lou Macari into the directors box?Also does anyone remember the reserve games in the 70''s when they had all the gates open and you could wander round the whole ground?    

Where are Prudence and Ambition now? I haven''t seen either for years.

[quote user="still holding out for new heroes"]He''s a hard man who can give us penetration from the middle...probably just the thought of his signing on package from Fulham[/quote]Perhaps that''s his signing on package in his shorts.

[quote user="Fluff"]Shortfab, breath of fresh air!I care about the club and more importantly it''s future, and to me St Andrews hall or the ''collective'' matey circle that is the NCISA or alike are going to make a gnats arse of a difference.  It''s going to be turned round by the city spin machine as another ''minority of discontent'' because 20,000 season tickets were sold! I have posted before that a clear message needs to be promoted if change is to happen.  In the 30 odd years I have watched city, I have seen numerous demos outside the ground, each time the response from the media and alike was ''troublemakers'', but in reality, 30 or so people (kids normally) yelling sack the board is embarrasing to look at!We all know that bad publicity hurts this rabble.  They only act when they are made to look bad or when half the usual attendance turns up for a game (Charlton. FA cup, Roeder sacked next day), so to mirror what you said earlier, a very clever campaign is needed, one to remind them of previous promises and statements, poor decisions and appointments, but more importantly one to take the club forward and not leave us in even more sheeeet! [/quote]Thanks, you''re right. Any ideas on how to move it on would be welcome.

[quote user="The Voice Of Reason"]Ten questions they will never ask, shortfatb: 1, If moths are so attracted to the light, why don''t they come out at daytime? I agree completely with your posts, the anti board messages are all a bit too chummy and nice. Strong words softly spoken are required with respect for the board members and common civility but, tell it like it is for a change. The board have got away with too much for too long.[/quote]Is your question an allegorical reference the board if so it''s too clever for me! As I''ve said, whilst I''ve done a bit of marketing and PR in various jobs, I do not know, have access to or the ability to create, suitable medium to put a different point of view, seems to me you need almost a Private Eye type approach. For instance if somebody could put together a few minutes of various press conferences and AGMs, following the Charlton model, prudence and ambition, the budgeting for relegation speech prior to thr Premiership season, where Delia assures us there''s money coming in,  announcing the Turner''s departure whilst given no reason why, MWJ asking if anyone else has any ideas, Munby''s various admissions of failure, Glenn being a t*sser on several occasions, a liitle bit of Grant and Gunny, Doncaster''s last press article etc, it would have a much funnier and stronger impact than a poorly written statement and, whilst it''s laudable, probably the St Andrews rally.   

Yeah I''m really looking forward to it! The hour that the nurses let me out of my room into exercise area, prior to my medication, is always spent dreaming proudly of Norwich in the third division. Maybe it will mean we reach the semi finals of the FA Cup like we did when were last there! Happy days.

Smudger, on the same side of the barricades at last! As I said I''m no general, I''m 50 and 5ft 7" and left West Earlham in 1979 never to return, apart from family occasions and Norwich home games, so I''m not the person to rally around. However I do think there are things we could do to educate, agitate and organise, maybe pulling together a few of the posters on here or elsewhere with specific viewpoints, information and expertise and producing something to use virally and formally to raise issues and the temperature, maybe the 10 questions that the NCISA, Radio Norfolk, Pink un, or whatever, will never ask and the board will never answer or something. I know that sounds sh*t but you get my drift I''m sure, as, for instance, many of the board''s replies to previously asked questions are far more damning than anything we could invent. We need to be professional, clever, witty or funny and incisive, as so much stuff out there like, F*ck off Delia, or the cook, or Doomy or whatever alienates people who don''t like that sort of thing but are truly concerned about the club, I believe that the only way to really portray her and MWJ are as proud people who have lost their way and need help from others not just sycophants and lackies on payrolls or those how are flattered and moved by the celebrity element. Also we should have no purpose other than to move the club forward, so no matey, matey meetings or chats or long boring stories about the night I played dominoes with Lol Morgan or some such nostalgic sh*te, just a strong focus on making change not friends.    I''ll have a think over the weekend and pm you and a few others.       

Sorry that was meant to end with, see you at the barricades my a*se. The NCISA have spoken to the club and they have agreed to us having a single barricade half the width of the road by the swimming pool, which we believe is a generous gesture and we thank all those involved.Neil, Neil, I just rang to say that wass gorn on at that there barracade is a disgrace. Have you been down there? No but i heard you menshun ut on your proogram.

[quote user="mtv"]I hate all this officious sh*t and the high falluting acronyms, despite all the different names they all seem to contain the same people, who may work hard but obviously get as a much of a kick out of being involved as helping club and supporters. Despite all the protestations it still seems too cosy even if Neil doesn''t like Tilson anymore or whatever. It all seems a load of w*nk to me, I think I''d rather have the guerilla style actions of Smudger being rude to those in charge, Big Feller then reading WH Auden''s Stop the Clocks on the City Hall steps or something, before a group of non members of anything other than supporters of the club march to Carrow Road and hands in a f*ck off Delia petition. Anything other than this non action faction, lick arse not kick arse pseudo official tosh. Please somebody come up with something different and count me in.   Thats what I call speaking from the hip .....top post mate [/quote]Thanks mtv, oh and f*ck off Link. I wasn''t trying to be radical it''s just a worry when the same, "we always do it like that", people seem to be our only outlet for change. Even when they disagree it''s accompanied by little in jokes and I''m about as interested in cosying up as Smudge is interested in staying mates with Gunny. I just think that many of us would like some alternative solution to rally round rather than a toothless bunch who have no more vision or drive than the board they claim to want rid of. It''s the whole Waller, Blower, Tilly, good old Norfolk boys thing that needs to be overturned as much as the hapless Smith and Jones, the chain smoking geniality of Munby and Neil, "I reply to all my emails" Doncaster. Oh and at least the board can produce a coherent press release. F*ck, I''m so angry but I can''t see where true change is going to come from. I haven''t lived in Norwich for 30 years and I swear too much, so I''m never going to be the person to drive it on. If anyone wants to PM me though I''m happy to get involved in anything different to what we have now, be it fanzine, propaganda, website or really organised protest, not the ad hoc snipings of a few.See you at the barricades! See you at the barricades     

I hate all this officious sh*t and the high falluting acronyms, despite all the different names they all seem to contain the same people, who may work hard but obviously get as a much of a kick out of being involved as helping club and supporters. Despite all the protestations it still seems too cosy even if Neil doesn''t like Tilson anymore or whatever. It all seems a load of w*nk to me, I think I''d rather have the guerilla style actions of Smudger being rude to those in charge, Big Feller then reading WH Auden''s Stop the Clocks on the City Hall steps or something, before a group of non members of anything other than supporters of the club march to Carrow Road and hands in a f*ck off Delia petition. Anything other than this non action faction, lick arse not kick arse pseudo official tosh. Please somebody come up with something different and count me in.    

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="thebigfeller"][quote user="nutty nigel"] I doubt Stringer was the only person they consulted bigfeller but whoever they consulted they got the appointments wrong. I stand by my point that a football man on the board could be counter productive. You love your history, did Watling need a football man to get the best out of Ron Saunders? Did Sir Arthur need a football man to get the best out of John Bond and Ken Brown? Did Big Bob need a football man to get the best out of Dave Stringer, Dave Williams and Mike Walker? Did Smith&Jones need a football man to get the best out of Worthy? Of course not, they managed it with mutual respect and, dare I say it, in most cases a close relationship. I remember all the fuss about the youth set up back then too. We can but hope the youth we have now are more succesfull.   [/quote] Quite clearly, Sir Geoffrey, Sir Arthur and to some extent Chase had their finger on the pulse footballing wise in a way the current lot don''t. (I say "to some extent" in Chase''s case because he appointed Deehan and left him in charge too long when he was really only ever a coach; and was *this* close to appointing Phil "Yes Boss!" Neal instead of Walker). But it''s different now in any case. We had something of a Liverpool-style conveyor belt back then; we don''t now, and the penalties for failure are infinitely greater. They simply got lucky with Worthington: if they''d never appointed Hamilton, NW wouldn''t even have entered their thoughts. As it was, getting lucky once, and getting it wrong four times now is ample evidence that changes are needed, and a very different sort of person needed to drag that boardroom into the 21st century at last. [/quote] Bigfeller, you are proper journo, I''ll give you that much. By the same token that Liverpool conveyer belt wouldn''t have happened if they never appointed Shankly. Worthington was on the radar before Rioch was appointed, do you remember that? Blackpool at the time rejected the approach and the talk was they would be asking for too much compensation. In fact if I remember rightly it was Gordon Bennett who made the approach. And yes, the intitiative probably came from Hamilton but that''s just a case of the board using people inside football to help them. The other name at the time was Steve Bruce, who I believe was interviewed before he ended up player manager at Sheffield United. Bruce Rioch, also linked with the Sheffield United job, ended up here with Hamilton. Was he first choice? Your guess is as good as mine. I dare say even Hamilton did some good during his time here, even if it was only pointing them toward Worthy all those years ago. Maybe Hapless Hammy would have been a better choice than Stringer to help out in the most recent managerial appointments? Perhaps his strength is selecting managers and coaches and his weakness is selecting players. Isn''t this level of masturbatory semantics part of the problem? We definitely need some short list of demands to rally round whether this is compiled by the NCISA, BF, NN, Mello or Smudger. Someone or some group needs to start to drive this in an organised and incisive way and sadly the first statement disappointed me in terms of style and content. However some people are good at rallying others, some people are good at writing pithily and beautifully, some people are good at taking notes, getting subscriptions in, making tea, getting up the nose of failing managers, etc, etc. So let''s decide who does what, get an agreed list to hit the board with in a controlled, professional and relentless way and move on from there. If this can be the NCISA then great, if it is as amateurish, not literally, as the first statement and somebody else wants a go then put yourself forward. I''m ready to rally.              [/quote]

Unless we go immediately in to administration I believe this is probably for the best because,The board will be under severe pressure to review their actions,Doncaster may be sacrificedGunn cannot expect to remain manager on the last few performancesCroft won''t sign a new contractMarshall, Clingan and Wes will be off giving us a bit of cashOtsemobor may go too!Semi, Doherty and Russell may also want to go but I think they will stay so we end up with A new young goalie we ownA back 4 of maybe Otsemobor, Spillane, Doherty, Drury or one other if Semi or Doc go we ownMidfield with Russell, Lappin, Smith, Adeyemi we ownStrike force of McDonald, Lee (maybe), Renton and Martin that we own.I''d give Butterworth a chance as the boss and with a few cheap additions I''d be happy to see us start again.A change in the board''s personnel or at least approcah would be needed too.I''d turn up and watch that if they at least looked like they wanted to play and win for City. I''m sick of watching a load of borrowed journeyman shite managed by a nice man who''s good at marketing.      

[quote user="MonkeyTrousers"]If he scores on Sunday he''ll be a Canary hero.If he scores on Sunday, moons Jim Magilton and Marcus Evans and then punches Danny Haynes, I''ll give him my house.[/quote]I had a house like that once.

[quote user="Felixfan"]It''s all part of the cut and thrust of football. Get over it.[/quote]I think Fozzy was more a ''cut'' than a ''thrust''.

It''s to give us a chance. City are going to start at 7.45 and QPR at 8.00. Gunny is hoping we can at least keep it level for the first 15 minutes or even grab a goal!

[quote user="1st Wizard"]Put simply, both are not good enough and won''t be here next season.[/quote]Stupid old onaniser

I wondered who they could mean! What''s f**king ace about him? http://www.clubcall.com/norwich-city/midfield-ace-back-canaries-853302.html

[quote user="Beauseant"]Strange you should pick that set of players Pete......[:D][/quote]No place for Dixie? The second central midfielder had me puzzled for a bit. Good team wasn''t it?

Wahoo! With apologies to Kim Wilde

[quote user="one 4 the future"]                                                          CORT                      CARNEY                                                         CROFTY                                                         WESLEY                                               RUSTY                          CLINGERS              BERTY          LEIJER/GRONDS                DOC                SEMI                                                         MARSHY                                    (ringing the changes as the game grows old)    Sure this line up will take some criticism just glad we now have the squad to have these debates. [/quote]I would play Drury rather than Berty, I know he''s less adventurous but I believe he''s better defensively and can play as a 3rd Centre Back when required, and the midfield is already very attack minded. 

[quote user="AJ"][quote user="shortfatb"]Is that Croft on his way then?[/quote]Could you please explain to me how Gow is even possibly a replacement for Croft?![/quote]I''m deeply sorry. I understood that he couldn''t cross a ball or beat a man but he tried very hard. I was obviously wrong.

Cov Canary. Do you go to many games? I''m in Leamington and a season ticket holder. Can''t go Tuesday as it''s my wedding anniversary!

Have I missed something? I thought him and Doc did as well as the Doc Grounds duo. Also he''s a better defender than Semmy. Is he injured or has Gunn just decided he doesn''t like him?

[quote user="Delia S. Tickers"] [quote user="shortfatb"]While I don''t agree with Smudger being Chief Scout or whatever, he is right that the quality of the players we buy is a long way away from the players we brought in through the 80''s, 90''s and early 00''s. We used to buy players that other clubs wanted too, highly rated youngsters, excellent players at rival and higher clubs etc. Now everyone we buy is a speculative purchase. But that''s where we are and we have to accept it, there''s no coincidence that the majority of the clubs down with Norwich have been in the Prem a few years back and now have no money, or are clubs that have already fallen further than us and are trying to start again, like Notts Forest or never had any money like Barnsley.On the last 442 Rich List, Emile Heskey had about as much money as Delia and Michael and that was before the Villa move. The richer clubs like Sheff Utd and QPR are going to keep in the fight, clubs like us have to speculate with players and hope we get lucky or clever or both, like Burnley and Preston this year, but it''s a fact that the players we are buying and loaning aren''t that great, and in truth that those Roeder secured have probably been better. [/quote] Absolute claptrap. [/quote]I hope you''re right, but all 3 so far have injury doubts, Cody''s non league and we still have no CB. Roeder brought in Taylor, Ched, Bertrand, Lita, Camara. 

Is that Croft on his way then?