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  1. Webber could end all of this debacle by actually coming out and conveying the inside knowledge he supposedly has about the upbringings of Sterling ,Kamara ,Aarons, Lewis and Rowe that lead him to conclude that football has prevented them from this alternative life they may have had.

    If he was able to do that, I'd have more respect for him than his apology.

    If that is what he believes, stand by it and elaborate and explain it.

    Of course this would be entirely at odds with what we have heard from the player/families of 3 of the 5 mentioned over the past couple of days

    We've yet to hear as to whether Jonathan Rowe 'minds' Webber saying this

    So, he is either correct...or it is a disgraceful slur on the familes,parents and upbringings on the 5 individuals mentioned.

    Which is it...


  2. 3 hours ago, lake district canary said:

    For once I agree with you. Clumsy, ill thought out comments, but not racist.

    Club have responded correctly, supporting the players - and I can understand why the players and families might be a bit annoyed - but really, it is just a storm in a teacup.

    "A bit annoyed".....Webber has made false accusations about these players upbringing , the parenting of them and whole lifestyle and attitude.

    Little wonder Aarons and Lewis' mother's refuted these claims in as strong a terms as they have.

    Tell these families that their parenting which apparantly was such that could have landed their children in jail, were it not for football, that this is a 'storm in a teacup'

    They should be seeking legal advice for defemation of character

     


  3. Even if you remove the possible racial aspect to this....he has referenced 5 people by name and suggested that were it not for football would have ended up in prison (or in gang culture)

    Regardless of the colour of their skin, imagine what they and their families think when they read that?

    Its an accusation over their upbringing, their parenting, their attitude as individuals

    I said when I first read it  that he'd better be damned sure about these comments to be making them about these 5 people.

    The subsequent reaction by 3 of those 5 , Kamara, and the mothers of Aarons and Lewis show that he was completely wide of the mark

    I would be suing him for defemation of character.

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  4. 27 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    Because when the inquisition calls you a heretic you repent or get put on the rack, regardless of whether it's fair.

    I'd have had more respect for him if he had stuck by his statement and then elaborated upon the fact that his 'inside knowledge' on these 5 players upbringings meant that he was able to speak with the authority that allowed him to say thay they would have ended up in prison or down a certain path.

    Afterall he said that Jonathan Rowe 'wouldnt mind' him saying so.

    We havent heard as to whether he does 'mind' or not but we have subsequently seen that 3 of the other 4 players and their families he mentioned certainly do 'mind'...

    So someone's not telling the truth?


  5. 3 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

    No. All the reports treated him as no longer being connected to the club. Not one report suggested that he was in any way speaking on behalf of the club.

    Reports may say that...but whilst he is still contracted he is still a representative of this club with his conduct.

    If I was on gardening leave and made out of line comments ,my employers would still discipline me

     

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  6. 14 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

    But there is no suggestion that he is still working at or for the club. He is on gardening leave getting ready to risk his life climbing a mountain.

    He's still contracted and even if he's on gardening leave is still representing the club in these interviews and is still subject to the club's code of conduct.

    There will be a difference for the rest of his career in whether he exits this club by letting his contract run down or if he is sacked for gross misconduct

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  7. 5 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    1) There are a lot of black players so it's not that weird that the names mentioned were black players. 2) Given the specifics of the names mentioned, I think there's a strong suggestion he knows enough about the backgrounds of the players in question for it not to have been any sort of generalisation or profiling, particularly regarding Jonathan Rowe.

    The general message of the comment was pointing to socieconomic deprivation meaning people are more likely to become involved in crime. That's a known thing. It's also a complaint of the campaigners that black people have more socieconomic disadvantages, so their complaints really do seem absurd.

    Why has he apoligized then?..if he believes it of these 5 players he's specifically mentioned he'd stand by it.

    If he'd have said that there is a general problem with certain players from ethnic backgrounds who were brought up in certain areas, he could have had a point

    ..but he's gone out of his way to name 5 people.

    If youre going to do that you have to be certain in what you say however since this was reported ,3 of the 5 players have  publicly responded either via themselves, or via the mother's of 2 of these players in defending themselves and condemning Webber's comments

    ...we still await to see whether Jonathan Rowe 'minds' that Webber has suggested he could have ended up in prison


  8. 6 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

    You can explain/repeat whatever you like, but the simple fact is that it was not what your initial point said. Using the words ‘I’d want to know if there is still a racist culture’ means that there is/was one, with no question. However, the truth is that the shock/surprise of people like Kamara to Webber’s comments very much suggest the opposite.

    I can’t be bothered to explain it any more to you, I’m too busy, but you should reread what you wrote. I’m giving you the credit of having some level of intelligence that you don’t appear to be granting me. 

     

    Ok, i will attempt to simplify it further...not that I thought I needed to

    Another poster makes reference to 'complaining to Asda ,when an employee has left'

    I suggest that prospective new employees could still be suspicious of the culture of that organization before joining it.

    A recent (still on the payroll) sporting director has made public his views, a potential new signing might very well want to know whether his replacement and/or other people at the club 'still' hold those views before deciding to join.

    ...unless of course the club makes public their stance

    ...as predicted, I did need to explain it to you a further time.

    ....will I need to again?...this time with pictures?


  9. 1 minute ago, Branston Pickle said:

    I’ve already said I imagine the club will make some sort of a statement.

    But you were stating that there has been a racist culture, not that there might have been. That’s different. 

    Do I need to repeat myself a second / third time?

    I'm suggesting that this could be how the club will appear from the outside with the unwanted publicity thats been brought about today. If a current player has had to make a statement of this nature (let alone 2 mothers of the 5 players specifically mentioned), how might it look to potential new signings?

    I've explained the context in which I said it, I assume I wont need to again? 

    (Although I suspect I may need to for you)

     


  10. Just now, Branston Pickle said:

    You are stating that the club has a racist culture - with no proof at all.

    Kamara’s statement said he was shocked at Webber - he said absolutely nothing to suggest racism is rife at the club.

    ..no...I'm looking at it from the point of view of a prospective new signing, particularly of the race that Webber profiled, will be thinking when theyve seen these comments from a recent employee of a senior position.

    They could, possibly justifiably believe, that these are the views of those who remain at thd club and by those higher up.

    So, I'll repeat...the club urgently need to be making a statement to distance themselves

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  11. 9 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

    “Still”?  You have some sort of proof to back up that there has been such a culture?  I’d be careful making such accusations.

    When this story is being reported upon every major news outlet today, this is what anyone on the outside looking in will be thinking....moreso when one of our current players in Kamara is forced to make the statement he has today about a recent sporting director.

    So...our club had better be fairly prompt in releasing a statement in distancing themselves from him and his comments

    ...and I dont need to be 'careful' about anything. Webber is the one who needed to tow that line

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  12. 40 minutes ago, S_81 said:

    You don’t know him to know he’s not a racist. There was certainly a racial stereotype / thought process behind his commentary. Very odd that you’d suddenly leap to his defence to say he’s “categorically” not a racist. Very odd in general that you feel the need to defend him to such degrees. Very different from defending his transfer dealings, for example. 

    I was prepared to give Webber the benefit of the doubt as I assumed that for him to be confident to come out with this statement , his position meant that he had inside knowledge about these 5 players upbringings and backgrounds.

    That was blown out of the water by the comments yesterday by Aarons' and Lewis' mothers.

    Its indefensible

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  13. 10 minutes ago, Lazza said:

    They were given a points deduction and are still likely to survive. So for them, it was a gamble that has paid off. That's what is wrong with the ruling as it is. If you can get away with it, whether that's buying promotion, or avoiding relegation, then it's worth gambling on breaking the rules. Any team that tries to avoid breaking the rules, because they can't afford to gamble on losing 4 points, is at a disadvantage.

    ...lets see where they are if they get docked even more points this season..


  14. 9 minutes ago, RobJames said:

    Incorrect

    Players chose to move, for varied reasons

    We use the money to increase our spending (note the word increase)

    We would balance the books whether those sales amounted to £100m or £100

    To infer that we spend THEN sell players to cover the cost is getting it a**e about face

    ...we sold Godfrey to Everton to cover the shortfall during Covid...to 'balance' our books

    That was obviously something they werent particularly bothered by and look whats happened to them

    Maybe thd media who were hammering us for 'not giving it a go' when we were in the premier league by not spending money we didnt have and running ourselves into more debt may think twice when they see these other clubs being docked points

     

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