i haven''t posted on here for quite a while, since this whole ktf / worthy outer debate was begun, stopping anyone from posting a view without being put into one of the 2 camps i just thought i would tell you though, that you have basically said exactly what i hve been meaning to say for the last 2 months or so since i last posted. thanks for that. by the way, i used to post as Kolin Kob, but for some reason my old profile doesn''t work any more. don''t know why. anyone on the webteam able to shed any light?