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Makes us look like a laughing stock? Because we haven''t played a striker who is scoring goals internationally against championship quality opponents and part timers who wouldn''t get in the conference? And did our strikers struggle to score last season?

[quote user="Indy"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Indy"][quote user="nutty nigel"]Whatever Indy. You were all over Alex Neil because you reckoned he was too young and inexperienced. You''re all over Jarvis because you reckon he''s too old and experienced. There''s nothing wrong with having a positive default.[/quote] And here come your brigade Nutty.....if Jarvis was on our wanted list then why was he a last minute loan? He is now into his last few years and not wanted by West Ham. If you really think players read this rubbish on here and are influenced by the crap spouted on here then you are deluded. He will as I said get my support as does AN, and I''ve said this and I will again, AN has till the last two weeks done a fantastic job, for whatever reason which is all idle speculation and rumours which ever you believe, we are left with Grabban who has been poor for the last 6 months and we could have got shot of for 7 million, instead we sell our POT who scored 15 goals and worked hard last season. I keep saying it and will continue, Hughton had an exceptional first 6 months here then took us to an utterly boring football and ultimately relegation. We will see how well we bounce back come Bournemouth who have their own issues with injuries, but Southampton we were very poor and lacked anything we had seen in the previous games, with what Martin said in the press about this summers transfers it will be up the AN and the players now to prove they are good enough to get 17th. You do you bit on here for good causes and you and deserve respect for that, but you don''t own the right for opinions nor should you resort to as you always do putting down posters, poor form every time, from you older generation posters.[/quote] Interesting post.....you didn''t like the manager when he first arrived -  and now he has somehow not done well in the last two weeks?  In what way? Because we lost a match?  Because Grabban has had issues for whatever reason?  You can''t see that Johnson''s move was good for the club and good for the player?    Southampton you said were "poor" - but they beat us 3-0 - but doesn''t that say that they have better players, more money and were due a good result?  It happens.  Is not Jarvis  a quality addition to the squad and strengthens the left hand side?  Did we not keep Grabban because we couldn''t get our target Gayle? Did we not get Gayle in the end because CP lost Glen Murray and decided to keep him? Are "older generation" posters always wrong?  [/quote] 1, the last two weeks has tested AN, and the players against Southampton didn''t look interested, could just be too many unsettling issues over the past couple weeks, so AN couldn''t focus the players on this game. Could just been one of those games! We will see come Bournemouth. Till Sunday Southampton looked at odds and started the season poorly. 2, pretty much every club has a bigger budget than us as pretty much all have rich owners or years in this league, so should we expect to be turned over every week because of that? 3, why did we wait till last day when if Gayle was a real target and not panic buy, he was available? Bristol had agreed a fee a month earlier! 4, not in my book, nor my work colleague who is a season ticket holder at West Sham, he''s really gone down hill to the point that Championship sides said its not worth loaning him at 45k per week reported in the press. I''ve never rated Jarvis, just another journeymen like Pilks. Rather kept Johnson and got rid of Grabban. 5, Grabban is first off the pitch, never interacts with the fans during warm ups and has gone right off the boil. Not really sure why he wasn''t shipped out. So to sum it up, not overly excited about our loans, think we got shot of the wrong player and the older generation tend to be the first in each thread to start the derailing by resorting to insults....because anyone dares to question the manager, board or players! This is a forum, Carrow raod is where we need to support the team here we can discuss our thoughts.[/quote]Fair enough if you don''t rate a player, but at least judge your opinion on factual evidence and not make belief. He has played for Gillingham as a youngster, then Wolves, then West Ham and us on loan. I wouldn''t exactly call that a journeyman, he has had less permanent moves that Johnson and he is older, so by your logic Johnson is just a journeyman now right? And you do blame Grabban for not interacting with the fans? Look at the overreaction and pantwetting a few are prone to, or the abuse that Ruddy, Snodgrass and Elmander have had to put up with in the past. These fans are a cancer to the club and only seem to have materialised when we went up.

[quote user="JF"]Not really. Injuries happen in football and if or when we get them we have no replacements. An injury and suspension and we''ve got someone like Tettey playing center back. You need to grasp reality[/quote]You''re right, I need to grasp reality. Reality is, neither of our defenders our injured, think Bassong missed one game last season due to injury, Martin none if memory serves me right. If we lose both Bassong and Martin, then Bennett and Wisdom would step in. Bit pathetic to be worrying about what could happen isn''t it? Mbokani could turn out to be a 20 goal a season striker who fires us in to the Europa League

And when have we ever been good at defending in the Premier League? First season we went up with had a back 4 of Tierney, Elliot Ward, Whitbread and Martin. This season we have Olsson, Bassong, Martin and Whittaker.... know which defence I think is stronger. Knee jerk reactions only 4 games in having played very well in 3 of those games are pathetic and you need to get a grip.

Quite frankly people who look at net spends are morons, especially in todays market when players are being sold for ridiculous amounts. And we definitely were not the lowest spenders in the who of European top flight leagues, we weren''t even the lowest spenders in the our league!! It was a good transfer window for us, bar signing once defender.

Also missed a couple of sitters in the first half.

[quote user="Bor Bor Bor"]"I have never disliked a city player as much as I dislike him." Oh, where to start![/quote]I wouldn''t even bother, some people are just beyond help and don''t know the meaning of the word respect.

I am assuming the OP is just an Ipswich fan trolling. But if you are a Norwich fan and "supported" the club during the tough years, let me ask you this...After the Colchester game, if I told you that within 2 years we would be back in the Premier League, we would spend 3 seasons there, clear all our debt (lets not forget we''d have gone into administration if it wasn''t for McNally and Bowkett), get relegated but then go straight back up with a play off semi final win against Ipswich and a day out at Wembley that will live long in the memories of Norwich fans,  would you have taken it? Or would you have simply cried about us not paying 15m for Brady?

Russell Martin, born in that well known Scottish town, Brighton.....

[quote user="pliff"]Whittaker has no pace if he gets turned his legs are like concrete, you are judging Wisdom on one appearance I am saying now he is better than Whittaker by a mile[/quote]Well he does have pace doesn''t he, just because he''s been done a couple of times by pacey players doesn''t mean he doesn''t have pace, Olsson also struggles against quick players as do most full backs. Wisdom is also getting judged on last season in which WBA fans said he was awful.

Unfortunately just shows the idiot nature of some of our fans and the need to scapegoat certain players. Literally his first bad game under Alex Neil and suddenly he''s not good enough and is the weak link in our defence. People see what they want to see but during the play offs Whittaker was probably our second best player behind Redmond. Olsson was easily the weakest link in our defence last season and cost us points literally on the first game. And from what I saw from Wisdom''s defending today, he isn''t even half the player Whittaker is.

[quote user="kick it off"][quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="nutty nigel"]Indy, you''re clearly talking rubbish. You made the comment that Hughton couldn''t manage his way out of a wet paper bag and then posted another load of rubbish defending that ridiculous opinion. You don''t get managers jobs at Newcastle, Birmingham, Norwich and Brighton unless you are half decent. One job you may be able to blag but four? This isn''t reasonable debate is it? Anyway, I thought you didn''t post on the pink un anymore.....[/quote]And responses like this are the reason I post less than I used to here.Hughton was f**king s**t - end of, and no amount of discussion about Birmingham, Newcastle, Brighton, or any other f**king club for that matter will change that.Why the f**k are people trying to defend the indefensible, instead of just admitting that the guy completely f**ked up our club, getting worse and worse as the months went on...Pathetic.[/quote]+1. Well said Indy.Regardless of anything else, any other club, or what the history books say, Hughton''s teams played the worst football I''ve ever watched at Norwich (Yes including the Roeder era, the Peter Grant era etc) and he took our club from an extremely strong position having already finished 12th, and had an altogether dire tenure. We had one decent 10 game spell under him, and that ultimately kept us up during the first season (although it nearly didn''t, regardless of the final 11th position which flattered us and only came about because results went our way and we won two dead rubber games against teams already on the beach). Despite finishing 11th, plenty wanted rid of him after the first year, he ripped the soul out of the club with his awful tactics and lack of guts.... and during his second season, many said they would rather go down and play decent football again than stay up and have to suffer watching another season of that tripe. We scored less goals during Hughton''s second year than any other season in our history. I have never enjoyed being a Norwich fan less than I did having to watch Hughton''s $hite week in and week out.Nice bloke, but an entirely useless manager for Norwich and royally screwed the club up. If Alex Neil hadn''t come in and saved us, and returned us to the promised land, pressing the reset button on the damage Hughton did in the process, we wouldn''t even be having this conversation. We''d be talking about how Hughton had been terrible and taken us from the brink of being an established top flight club, back to the depths of obscurity in the Champs.[/quote]See, like I said, even when we won he didn''t get the credit he deserved. WBA were on the beach apparently, yet scored 5 goals the week after. Given no team had anything to play for on the last day surely everyone were on the beach so the teams around us should have won their games? We had the toughest of the lot, City away, and still won. Guess the players "ignored" Hughtons instructions again though..... (feel stupid saying it, let alone believing this rubbish!)

I just find it crazy that some of you lot don''t think the booing and personal attacks on players etc didn''t have an effect on the players performances. Never felt so ashamed to be a Norwich fan and being associated with so many morons. Likely the same one''s that are having panic attacks over every media report linking us with a player and booing water breaks in 30 degrees heat.....

I always felt sorry for Hughton, had an almost impossible task from day 1, his issue? Following on from Paul Lambert. For me, the fans played a large part in our relegation, the negativity around the place was horrendous and Carrow Road wasn''t a nice place to go and watch football. Our own fans having altercations with Ruddy and Snoddy, booing at halftime even when it was 0-0, booing every sub, even when taking off an injured Gary Hooper,  singing "you''re just a s**t Grant Holt" to Elmander at Villa away, and then people were wondering why our players were playing with no confidence and making so many mistakes. Baffling. Another common thing some fans used to comment on (already a few on here) which was just ridiculous was saying how Hughton used to "big other teams up" in his media interviews, therefore giving the opposition confidence and putting fear in to our players, I''m sorry but if our players had zero confidence because a manager said in an interview that the opposition is a decent team then surely they shouldn''t be playing football? Fans also liked to ignore the opposition manager praising our team and pretty much every manager up and down the country praising the opposition team in a pre match interview, it''s something that''s called respect but given how our own players were treated a few unfortunately wasn''t taught this life skill. When we did win a game (and we had some good wins under Hughton), fans were unable to give Hughton credit, when we beat WBA and City, it was because the opposition were on the beach (clearly ignoring WBA''s result against Utd the week after) or the players ignored the manager and went out and did their own thing. I said at the time that these types of fans are a cancer to the club, they''ll be the same morons who booed the water break on Saturday against Stoke and they''ll be the same pant wetters who are going crazy over our transfer dealings so far. Hughton wasn''t anywhere near our greatest manager (nor our worst), but he did have us midtable with the smallest transfer budget and wage bill in the league and that''s no mean feat, as some have alluded to, he did have an eye for a player (just not strikers) and a lot of our recent success is built on those players. At the time of the appointment pretty much everybody agreed he was the best man for the job, few on this post (talking with hindsight) are saying he should never have been appointed as everybody knew he had negative tactics, well quite frankly they are talking rubbish, flew out of the championship with Newcastle then had them midtable in the PL and they were the 5th highest scorers in the league, then did an incredible job at Birmingham with a transfer embargo, loss of a few players and a Europa league campaign, his Birmingham side also scored a lot of goals and reached the playoffs. He is loved by Newcastle and Birmingham fans but I guess Norwich just wasn''t the club for him.

[quote user="Newton"]Do you remember the Gunn era and 7-1 home defeat to Colchester - that''s where we would be very quickly if we got rid of McNally and put D & M back in charge (they would get the lucky dice out again) The problems we have at the moment is that we don''t appear to have a proper scouting network (surprise surprise) and surely, not everyone can be turning us down because we are little old Norwich. The scouting network would also recommend prices and there you go - a shambles (otherwise they would just say buy Hazard) I suspect in a lot of cases we are not offering the going rate (Brady prime example - we looked stupid) Of course Neil will not moan about the club and the board - he will always remain positive he is the Manager (Lambert remained positive till he walked one day) - we will know when Neil has had enough, he will be gone of his own choice Mc Nally may well negotiate with the player re wages, agent fees and how the transfer fee is paid with the parent club etc, but to blame him for everything is very silly. He does not scout the players or suggest a value. The scouts / player recruitment will know how much we have to spend and recommend accordingly McNally - STAY[/quote]   Yeah we looked really stupid, Hull originally saying they wanted 15m for him and we got him for 7m. Talk about egg on our faces...

[quote user="firststeps"]I''d so much prefer an British player, I think back to the Dean Ashton saga, buying him half a season to late. I think it''s a good gamble, if we went down we would sell him, he would be bought. On another note watching this game, Rob Green has handled outside the box and the ref again has fcuked it up![/quote]What, like he''s being bought now?It''s not worth the gamble for us, not yet, need a few more years in the top flight before splashing that sort of cash. We could spend all that money on him, he has a bad season, we go down, we''ve got a player with us who is on £70k a week or whatever with no club wanting to sign him for that sort of money. That''s a serious threat to our clubs finances.

[quote user="kick it off"]You seem to have a very black and white view of the world. I don''t think Whittaker is good enough, but I am old enough to recognise a decent performance. Players get criticised when they play badly, or make crucial errors. If you feel Whittaker received a lot of criticism last season, then maybe you should look at why. He is decent going forward but he is pretty terrible at defending. Watch through the highlights from last half of last season, and tell me who is directly responsible for the majority of goals we conceded... He is the weakest link in our defence, and gets abused by anyone with a bit of pace.... That doesn''t mean people have some vendetta against him and will criticise him even when he has played well though. What a weird thread.[/quote] Erm, name one goal he was directly responsible for us conceding because from the top of my head I can''t think of any. Since Neil came in we haven''t actually conceded many goals and had the best defence in the championship. Unfortunately some people have a vendetta and won''t recognise any of the good work he does and will concentrate on him getting done by a winger or something because "he has a lack of pace". Well personally I''ve only seen him get destroyed once and that was by Jordan Ibe at Derby, still didn''t cost us a goal and popped up with an injury time goal. The only player I''ve seen in our defence who really struggles against pace is Olsson, and I think you''d find he has cost us a lot more goals than Whittaker and was even being targetted by opposition managers as a weak link at Carrow Road.

[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="city-till-i-die"]Rumour : Sky sports Norwich are leading the chase for James Collins wetspam CB[/quote] We need a pacey centre half IMO. James Collins is hardly much of an upgrade on Turner.[/quote] I don''t think we need a pacey centre half at all, our centre backs are no slower than any in the league and quicker than quite a lot. Try and remember a time when a striker was through one on one against Ruddy due to our CB''s being to slow?

[quote user="Capt_Canary"]Charlie Austin forget the bigger clubs no one has come in for him. He is a proven scorer and if we can''t spend £15m and offer £45k wages (less than Lafferty and Van Wolfswinkle combined) then we may as well consign ourselves to relegation. Proven scorer at this level, exactly what we need and for me he would guarantee survival. With his relegation clause only earning £25k a week. He wants to be playing in Premiership and be perfect foil for likes of Redmond and Hoolahan. Only reason people are bulking at price is due to only having one year left on contract by for for me if he had two years left we would be looking at £20m+ player. We can spend near £9m on Ricky who was unproven, if we could down his resale value would still be significant. This is not unrealistic we just need ambition and not be little old Norwich all the time. People seem to think we can''t spend £20-£30m in a season but we can as the money is massive now. History tells us not to be slow such as Dean Ashton we waiting till Jan transfer window and it was too late in the game. Had it been Aug we would of stayed up.[/quote]Lets analyse that statement by looking at our last 3 seasons in the Premier League. Our first 2 seasons we spent modestly in the transfer market and had 2 midtable finishes, are third season we broke the clubs transfer record and spent more on transfers then we have done in the history of the club..... and got relegated. So why on earth do you think we are consigned to relegation if we don''t sign Austin, despite him getting relegated just last season, in a team that spent loads on transfers and wages? You need to get your head out of the sand and realise we don''t have that sort of money to spend on one player, we are coming off the back of a season in the Championship with championship revenue.If we signed Austin and went down, we aren''t guranteed to recoup most of that money, just like we are going to take a big hit on RVW, plenty of players have had a wonder season in the Premier League then been absolute pants and fall down the footballing pyramid.You are correct about history showing not to be slow in signing a player such as Dean Ashton, but history is also contradicting every other point you make.

[quote user="Dead Canary"]Interesting to see that even some of those clubs with mega rich owners some are calling for still aren''t that good. Sunderland and Villa being good examples. Yet Swansea, Palace, Brom and Everton have done alright without it. Anyone see the similarities with our owners? Supporters, well run, in it for the long term.[/quote]#To be fair, Palace are owned by a couple of billionaires but your point still stands :)

I hope for the clubs sake they don''t watch and take advice from this message board.   Full of pant wetters and binners.   We''d have a new manager every week and every time the fans drive a manager out we get relegated!

[quote user="Dr. Ink"]Anyone reckon he''s worth a shout? Been told he can leave by West Brom. 6''3" and PL experienced. Fits in with the McNally model i.e. cheap and let go by a fellow lower table club. We can always call him McAnichebe if it helps?[/quote]   I must have been mistaken then, thought we had broken our transfer record numerous times and recorded the biggest ever expenditure in the clubs history under McNally.   Apparently not, because he does things on the cheap according to Dr Ink!!!

[quote user="Newton"]yoda wrote the following post at 11/08/2015 6:33 PM: We have a much better squad than last time , we also have a manager who wants to attack not just go out not to lose.We will be fine. Yoda this is tosh - its almost the same squad that got us relegated - Replace the WBA 2 with Snoddy & Fer , and yes I accept Jerome is better than Wolf, thats about it Where is the vast improvement - please tell me[/quote]You''re just a half glass empty kinda guy.Way I see it, it''s also pretty much the same team that finished midtable the year before relegation under a poorer manager than what we have now. Also have Redmond who has improved his game considerably, a team with about 3 seasons worth of experience playing together and as you''ve already admitted, a better main striker. So all in all, with another couple of players soon to come in, we are in a much healthier position, and don''t give me that rubbish that''s going round Twitter saying the league has moved on a level since we were last in it, the PL is overrated and there is about 10 bang average teams in it. It''s ludicrous that some people think the board aren''t spending the money on purpose given the FACT every single spare penny has gone in to the playing budget every single season we''ve had this board, why would that stop now?

Don''t even know what people are worried about, just look at all the accounts from recent seasons under this board, every spare penny has gone in to the playing budget, it''ll be the same again this season

[quote user="Newton"] Crafty Canary wrote the following post at 11/08/2015 12:25 PM: The board will be pleased to hear that.   CC what a stupid comment - what else dio you expect Neil to say in public, Delias more concerned abiout the next wine delivery ?   Get real man - he must be more frustrated than us - this cack about players not wanting to go to little Norwich stinks as well - why are they happy to go to Bounemouth ? [/quote]   Only 1 of Bournemouths new players started the other day and if you actually look at the players they signed, would you genuinely be happy to have any of them come to Norwich?