Plan b

[quote user="morty"][quote user="Grant Holts 3 year contract"]If our fans really dont want us to stand then why do so many people stand at away games?Standing = better atmosphere. Some people want to go to football and not scream or shout or anything- others want to back their team.Away games are better (in my opinion) because the people that go wish to back their team vocally. Doris and her old dearie mates... do not.[/quote]This is only your opinion.So when you''re grown up, and don''t want to stand anymore, you''ll stop going to matches?[/quote] No, he won''t. He will just go and sit in a part of the ground that is reserved for people who want to sit. Like it used to be. Hillsborough wasn''t caused by people who were standing, it was caused by disastrous mis management or bad stadium design. If the recent enquiry was held when it happened rather than 23 years later then all seater stadiums would not have been legislated in this way. But it''s done it''s job now, as evident by this message board, divide and rule. Rather than arguing amongst ourselves ALL football fans should be speaking as one to argue the case for a return to mixed stadium. If standing is not your bag than it won''t mean that you will be forced to stand so you should also speak up for those who do want to stand because it will mean that there will be no one standing in your areas at all, just as you want it.

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="Plan b"]"Seated areas are not designed to safely accommodate large numbers of supporters standing either in front of their seats or in aisles and gangways." So I presume there will be no more concerts held at Carrow Road in the future, the Jehovah''s Witness convention will be affected too as they are always standing throughout their services. I take it also that we will no longer be asked to stand for a minutes silence in remembrance for things like Hilllsborough.[/quote] How does that help the steward who''s been instructed to enforce the ground regulations from which the club''s safety certificate is granted? [/quote] I''m not having a pop at the stewards, they are just doing their very hard job of trying to control a large group of very vocal men, I wouldn''t want to do it. I''m just saying that the reasons the club and the FA give for standing completely contradicts when it comes to the same stadiums host other events. I''m betting a fair bit of income for Wembley Stadium will come from concerts but I doubt no promoter would want to hold them there if the owners of the ground, the FA, didn''t allow the punters to stand during the concert.

It is a bit of a stretch to believe that stadiums that are designed to be all seater to stop another hillsborough type disaster are now apparently such a death trap if people aren''t sitting down in them. They should just come out and say it straight, they simply don''t want football fans standing up.

"Seated areas are not designed to safely accommodate large numbers of supporters standing either in front of their seats or in aisles and gangways." So I presume there will be no more concerts held at Carrow Road in the future, the Jehovah''s Witness convention will be affected too as they are always standing throughout their services. I take it also that we will no longer be asked to stand for a minutes silence in remembrance for things like Hilllsborough.

[quote user="cityangel"]Dont think its a secret, several pubs have advertised in the EDP that they are showing the games although I see that the Murderers is only showing the games where we are live on Sky.[/quote] I know it''s not really a secret, and I''m pretty sure in about 4 weeks time it will all be common knowledge who is showing what but some landlords have already said that they didn''t want it to be publicized for various reasons. And it is ALL Norwich games, not just the sky/espn fixtures, happy days!

Woolpack on Muspole St. is one

I work in the pub trade and I know that there are at least 10 pubs in Norwich that have all signed up for the same deal, and will all be showing Norwich games live. They are all of the opinion and have been informed that while this court case is going on, which could take anything between 6 months to a couple of years, sky/premiership wont be pursuing or prosecuting any pubs, so have decided, in most cases, to cancel their sky subscription and get this instead. I wont post right now what pubs will be doing this as I am not sure if they will want it made totally public but when I see the landlords over the next week or so I will ask them and post on here later with a full list of who has got it.

[quote user="canarydan23"]Plan B, the case presented to the European Court is between Karen Murphy and the Premier League. Sky are not involved.[/quote] Well, I was half right! Even so the premier leagues beef should be with the tv company that sold the publican the subscription, either that or be more stricter with the contract they made when they sold them the rights. Either way, it really isn''t the publicans problem, the premier league can''t make up laws, that''s down to parliaments etc, they haven''t got a leg to stand on if they continue to pursue someone who legally brought a tv channel, they really should be after the Italian/Greek channel who sold her it, unless of course they realise that the contract they made them didn''t include this sort of thing.

This whole thing about Sky taking a publican to court is wrong, the people who Sky should be taking to court over this is the Premier League. Sky brought exclusive rights to show premiership games in this country, the premier league then goes off and flogs the same stuff to other broadcasters, at probably lower costs, to show the games in other countries. In this day and age, due to a free european market and the internet, it is impossible to restrict who shows what and where. There is no ''law'' that does not allow you to watch any channel you wish, you can subscribe to any foreign channel you wish to, why should there be a restriction if it''s a sports channel? Sky should not be pursuing someone who legally subscribed to a channel, they should be pursuing the premier league for not fulfilling their end of the bargain of an ''exclusivity contract'' that is impossible , and probably illegal, to enforce.

[quote user="Nuff Said"][quote user="Plan b"]I will be watching to see how this issue develops with interest as I too once designed t shirts to sell and intend to do it again for the up coming season. Whilst I was always careful never to use any official imagery all the shirts obviously had a Norwich connection, be it slogans, colours etc. and the club never contacted me, presumably because I wasn''t infringing in their trademarks. I can''t see how, official crest aside, how the club can make these sort of demands, will they be pursuing canary cabs, or canary takeaway, canary cleaners or all the other local businesses that have a proprieter as a Norwich fan? And say for example you wanted to do a t shirt with "in lambert we trust" or "1p5wich" , these sort of things come from terrace charts and message boards which the club would have no legitimate claim on. And before anyone says that you are making money off the back of NCFC ,then so what? You maybe reading this on an iPhone which more than likely is in a case made by a manufacturer which isn''t Apple, they are making money off a product that it isn''t theirs but they can do it as long as they don''t use the apple logo, all they are doing are producing extras for another persons product which is the business model for thousands of companies worldwide.[/quote]Plan B - make sure to post on here when you''re selling T-shirts again - I still wear my Obi-wan Kenobi "Portman Road - You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany" shirt with pride![/quote] cheers Nuff, really glad to hear that you are still wearing it, will let you know on here when I get a brand new batch of designs out.

I will be watching to see how this issue develops with interest as I too once designed t shirts to sell and intend to do it again for the up coming season. Whilst I was always careful never to use any official imagery all the shirts obviously had a Norwich connection, be it slogans, colours etc. and the club never contacted me, presumably because I wasn''t infringing in their trademarks. I can''t see how, official crest aside, how the club can make these sort of demands, will they be pursuing canary cabs, or canary takeaway, canary cleaners or all the other local businesses that have a proprieter as a Norwich fan? And say for example you wanted to do a t shirt with "in lambert we trust" or "1p5wich" , these sort of things come from terrace charts and message boards which the club would have no legitimate claim on. And before anyone says that you are making money off the back of NCFC ,then so what? You maybe reading this on an iPhone which more than likely is in a case made by a manufacturer which isn''t Apple, they are making money off a product that it isn''t theirs but they can do it as long as they don''t use the apple logo, all they are doing are producing extras for another persons product which is the business model for thousands of companies worldwide.

i''m afraid emmsy that the club was perfectly right in saying that your father should stop using the canary logo, it is NCFC''s brand and an unsuspecting drinker may assume that the club has gone into the brewery business, how would he like it if another business decided to make bar snacks and then uses his name, logo and reputation to sell them alongside his ales, however.... the club has absolutely no right in dictating him what colours he can or cant use, or the words Norwich City, or an image of a canary, there are countless number of businesses in the city, eg taxis, takeways, tradesman who use canary in their title or logo, are the club gong to pursue all of these? Because the Club is part of the make-up of Norwich, it s as much a part of the landscape of the city as the Castle, Cathedral, etc, and local businesses should be free to be associated with aspects of the place they operate in when promoting their businesses, the club doing this is akin to the church of england deciding to sue Aviva for using the symbol of the Norwich Cathedral in their logo. As for not allowing you to use "on the ball city", well that is absolutely disgraceful, firstly it is not ''owned'' by the club , it and many other songs sang are owned by the fans, they make them up, the club cant put a trademark on them. How many times has the club used on merchandise things that have originated from terrace talk, can we sue them for using our intellectual property? If they can put a stop on people using lyrics of a song outside of the stadium then we should be entitled to stop them exploiting us. and i hate to break it to some of you, but "on the ball city" is not a totally original song, it was in fact first used by a football team of teachers and then adopted when the club was first formed, substituting the word teachers for city, so the club cant even lay claim of ownership to the song. tell your dad to take off the logo, but carry on brewing it, using yellow and green, canaries, ''on the ball city'' whatever you want, good luck to him and tell the club to get lost. might i suggest "on the beer city" as an alternative?

I found four 1p5wich fans playing football with a hedgehog last night, i was absolutely disgusted and was about to call the police and RSPCA but then the hedgehog went one up..

[quote user="LondonR"][quote user="blahblahblah"]"what is it exactly you are going to parade?"The best team in the league ! Got to be better than the chunk of metal and a group of 30 year old mercenaries you''ll be watching down at that run-down piece of steel you''ll be sitting in.[/quote]I think you''ll find that''s the 2nd best team in the league, hence when your lot and our lot finished.Oh and those 30 year old mercenaries couldn''t have been that bad after all they managed to finish above you and everyone else, actually i think they even won the championship this year.But seriously have a good parade it will be good with or without the trophy (and i''m not being sarchastic).At least you''re getting one i think our council have asked too much for the cleaning bill, different story when it''s chelscum eh. [/quote] the reason you council hasn''t planned for one is probably because, unlike your fans, they are not counting their chickens etc... do you really need to get permission to hold a parade anyway for the amount of fans you have? surely a couple of phone boxes would suffice?

i will tell you what we will be parading mush, we will be parading the fact that even though we have been financially strapped the last few years we have never found the need to go into administration, we have not broken any rules (cheating) by fielding any ineligible players and we have also managed to to do this all without the need for outside financial help from people who have no interest in the club. Can you say the same? Plus we have done what only a few other clubs have ever done when we achieved successive promotions. good luck with the trophy bit though, that condition you''ve got there is a bit of a worry, premature celebration is a very embarrassing thing to admit to.