tom cavendish

- Big businesses (such as Aviva) have been moving out of the city centre to Broadland and the trend is likely to continue.- A new stadium in Broadland could help to fill the demand for convenient conference facilities, exhibition space, somewhere for office workers to go for meals etc.- The council want new railway stations built at Broadland. It would mean people travelling from Cromer, Sherringham, Great Yarmouth, Lowestoft etc. benefiting from shorter and quicker rail journeys (or car journeys) than if the stadium was at CR.A rail journey from Norwich central to Broadland would take approximately 3 minutes.- Broadland Business Park is already on a direct bus route to/from lots of places including Wymondham. A bus journey from the Castle Mall to Broadland takes 12 minutes so isn''t much difference from going to CR.- The NDR is going to be built going through Broadland and the Postwick Hub is already under construction.- People who usually park in the city centre and go to a match whilst their family go shopping could use the new park and ride being built at Broadland so saving parking costs.- The council wants thousands of new houses to be built at Broadland. The local council and developers will have to reserve some land for provision of local amenities. A new stadium could provide a lot of that.- The UEA Norwich Management Development Centre (NMDC) is expanding. I am sure they could be tempted to move to Broadland to be close to the big businesses. That would give the UEA more space on their campus for other courses.- A major venue operator is considering building a new music venue on Broadland. I am sure they could be tempted into a deal to have a venue as part of a stadium and also use the stadium for major gigs.

The club has already sold the car park directly behind the Jarrold Stand for housing but it hasn''t yet been built upon. The future loss of that car park would increase the congestion problems.If the club could get a deal for low cost land then it might be better value to build a new stadium. The club could make a fortune from a stadium near to the new Postwick Hub and NDR at Broadland.

[quote user="A Load of Squit"]When managers talk to people about players they never tell the complete truth, just because he said that to you doesn''t mean it''s true and lets be honest, you do come across as a bit of a fantasist.[/quote]I can assure you that NW was being completely honest. He thought the player was going to be leaving, said which area of the country the player wanted to live etc. He was right.

A great location for a stadium to vastly increase non-matchday revenue would be near to the big offices such as Aviva at Broadland Business Park.The stadium could then provide somewhere very convenient for all those office workers to eat & drink, a gym to use before and after work, a convenience store, creche, conference facilities for the companies to use. It would also be a great location for a UEA Business School, there would be a demand for office space at the stadium too.The new Postwick Hub is being built, new park and ride, NDR being built, possibly new railway stations too so the transport links would be great for attracting more people from other areas of Norfolk.If the stadium was in that area and next to the NDR then the club could also make a lot of money from advertising boards facing the NDR.

Herman,I appreciated NW''s honesty with me about his player. I had recommended DA to the club that I was doing some scouting for but they had other ideas. I was totally certain of my judgement of DA so I thought that I might as well pass the tip to NW as he had been so honest with me about his player.It was certainly before July 2003 and NW said to me at that time that he didn''t know of DA. DA didn''t sign for Norwich until Jan 2005.

[quote user="Crafty Canary"]He wanted Ashton to be signed during the close season rather than the following January but the board preferred to build the Jarrold-N&P corner stand. Had they backed Worthy we may have stayed up with Ashton''s goals.[/quote]When he was manager of Norwich I was doing some scouting for another club. I asked him about a Norwich first-team player. He was very honest about the player which I appreciated. I said to him that he should sign Ashton from Crewe. He didn''t know of him but was very keen to know more. That was more than a year before Norwich signed him.

[quote user="Scout_hat"]Tom. Please stop now. You are making yourself look a bigger idiot by each post. It''s clear that you haven''t a clue about what you are running on about. We know the figure for the sale of the Memorial Ground was to be £30m. That has been done to death. Hhowever if you check elsewhere you will see that the figure for the building of the new stadium is £40m. That £40m is quoted EVERYWHERE. [/quote]Scout Lad,1. Sainsbury''s were to pay the club approximately £30m (for the old stadium), the uni was to pay the club approximately £8m (for the new stadium naming rights, car park etc.) plus the club was to receive approximately £1m in football grants... so making the total approximately £40m.2. It says on the uni website "The agreement represents a significant investment by BRFC of approximately £30m in facilities..."Can you see the figure of £30m?3. Approximately £30m of that £40m would have gone to build the stadium. That would have given the club a surplus with which to pay the uni for a 125 year lease for the land and cover the club debts.A quick search on google shows their chairman being quoted as saying the uni was to pay the club £8m http://www.not606.com/threads/details-from-the-q-a-with-nick-higgs.207373/Do you really not understand that deal or are you too occupied with being abusive towards me?

Scout Hut,Yet again... here is the link to the uni website saying the club was investing £30m for the new stadium (not £40m). http://www1.uwe.ac.uk/aboutus/visionandmission/uwenewcampus/uwestadium.aspxThe club were to get that money from the sale of their current stadium. The uni was to pay the club £8m including stadium naming rights (and for use of the stadium car park which the club would build as part of the stadium plans) but the club was to use some to pay the uni for a 125 year lease for the land."In addition to holding naming rights to the stadium, the university will fund the development of, and eventually control, the car park to generate revenue."https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/space-race-makes-university-of-the-west-of-englands-campus-fit-to-face-the-future/2018180.articleIn addition, the stadium plans include 19,000sq ft of teaching space to lease to the uni, a creche etc. Additional money is available to the club from football grants.The surplus was to be used to pay off club debts and it was a condition of moving into the stadium that there would be no debt.

If he joined WBA then he could probably commute from where his family are settled in the north-west.

[quote user="The Great Wall Of Tettey"]Either way he had an undeniable good record until he signed for us. If he set the league alight, take bony for example, we''d all be laughing at how we have a 25 million striker. Can sit there and blame whoever you like but ultimately it Was 100% worth the risk when we did get him. Our 20 goal scorer last season only managed a couple all of the previous season...[/quote]Just for the record... I looked at the types of goals that Bony scored and noticed that he created a lot of great chances for himself and said that Norwich should try to sign him from Vitesse Arnhem.See here: http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/3209830/ShowPost.aspxI looked at the type of goals that RvW scored and noticed that he was heavily reliant upon others creating clear chances for him so I didn''t think that Norwich shouldn''t sign him.

Just for the record:http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/2966004/ShowPost.aspx

[quote user="Scout_hat"]Of course it is the same amount a they were getting from the sale of the ground ! That is the whole point ! As we have now reached this far plaese tell us where the extra money (£10m) is coming from. Grants ? And where is the extra £6m to pay off the debts coming from ? Grants as well ? There is NO money changing hands with regard to BRFC getting to build on the land. That is the agreement ie the uni gets to use the facilities and car park.  A pretty raw deal for the football club given that they would be carrying all the costs and risks. But then bggars cannot be choosers, and NCFC is not a beggar.Clearly you haven''t a clue what you are posting, otherwise you would not keep changing things or contradicting yourself. What I suspect is that you haven''t the good grace to bow out and apologise for posting up a pile of misinformed nonsense and are simply trying to save face. Or digging yourself further into a hole as others would have it. Good luck with that. As with your other delusion that NCFC will be given a huge chunk of land for free.[/quote]Let me explain it to you yet again... The club was to pay £30m to build the new uni stadium (which has planning permission). The club were to receive £30m from selling their existing stadium to Sainsbury''s (which has planning permission). IN ADDITION the club was to receive millions more in football grants, money from the uni etc. so the club would have made a surplus enabling them to pay off their debts, pay up front for a 125 year lease for the land, and they would have got a new stadium out if it. It was a condition of moving into the new stadium that it had to be debt free.You can look it up for yourself on the uni and club websites etc.Are you going to apologise now for being abusive to me?

Scout Hut, It even says on the uni website "The agreement represents a significant investment by BRFC of approximately £30m in facilities" see here:http://www1.uwe.ac.uk/aboutus/visionandmission/uwenewcampus/uwestadium.aspxwhich was the same amount of money as they were getting from Sainsbury''s for their current stadium. Plus the club was to get money from the uni for naming rights etc. (some of which was to be used to pay the uni for the lease for the land) and the club would get football grant money etc. on top. Their Chairman would have been right at that time when he said the deal would have left them debt free.

[quote user="Iwans Big Toe"]I''ve been reading the pros and cons for moving to a new stadium and I don''t believe that anyone has mentioned the fact that written into the original contract between NCFC and Colman''s was a clause that the ground must always be used as a sporting venue. Now I am not sure that this is totally accurate as the source for my information on this point is my grandfather, who has been dead for nearly 30 years now. But, I was led to believe that he was a man who had connections with people at the club.If this is the case it would severely restrict the re-sale value of the land as it would not be able to be developed into homes or retail outlets.Anyone know if my information is correct?[/quote]Your Grandfather could well be right but such an agreement probably wouldn''t count for much these days in planning law. There is retail, a hotel and restaurants established on the site and some of the land now has housing on it. The car park behind the Jarrold Stand has been sold too.

Scout Hut, read for yourself that their Chairman had originally said the deal would leave them debt free. A search on the internet shows it was also a condition of moving into the stadium that it had to be free of debt. £30m was to be from Sainsbury''s, plus football grants that clubs get towards new stadiums, plus money from their local uni for naming rights and use of the new stadium etc. Look it up for yourself.You can apologise now.

You miss the point that if the club could get the land for little cost then a new stadium could be a more attractive proposition than a new stand.You mentioned the NDR. There is an enormous expansion happening at Broadland with the Poswick Hub, new park and ride, NDR, expanding business park, a proposal for a new indoor venue and thousands of new homes. The council wants new railway stations built there too with trains to and from Cromer, Sherringham, Great Yarmouth, Lowestoft etc. A new stadium there would be convenient for a lot more business customers during the day, have a lot more stadium parking etc.

[quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="tom cavendish"]The deal for a new stadium on uni owned land was agreed and has received planning permission. The uni had also agreed to pay the club millions of pounds for the naming rights etc. It is a great deal for the club. [/quote]Do you honestly, hand on heart, 100% believe that the UEA has millions of pounds and would give it to the club?[/quote]The UEA wants to expand. The uni in Bristol wants a stadium built on their land so that they don''t have to spend as much money building the new facilities that it could provide for the uni.They want to sponsor the stadium (it would help to raise their profile). In return the club use some of that money to pay the uni for a very long lease for the land. It could also work in reverse so for example Norwich could ask the UEA to part fund a new stand at Carrow Rd and in return the UEA could use aspects of it. It would save the UEA having to buy land and save Norwich the full cost of a new stand.It doesn''t necessarily have to be a uni. Aviva are looking to expand so perhaps they would like office space in a new stand or perhaps a new stadium close to where they are based.

[quote user="Scout_hat"]You talk as if handing over valuable building land as as easy and uncomplicated as getting a light for a cigarette from someone. You are wrong about the millions the university was handing over. They weren''t. Why would a new stadium be iconic ? Read Russel Martin''s comments about Carrow Road (published today). You have also changed you mind about the funding, and now admit that there was a shortfall. in contrast to your previous claim that not only would the sale of the former pay for it all, but that there would be ''some left over''. You have got this badly wrong, through posting incorrect information and making wild assumptions based on almost impossible scenarios''. I would stop digging if I were you. Much like Bristol Rovers - who have not even started digging.[/quote]The Bristol deal with Sainsbury''s involved the club selling the existing stadium to fund the new one and would leave the club debt free. However Sainsbury''s have since decided to cut-back on openings of large stores. The club could still sell their stadium to someone else but may get less money for it so there would be a short-fall to fund.If they were able to cover the difference then they would have a new stadium for relatively very little money.In stark contrast, Norwich City are considering spending tens of millions of pounds on a new stand to raise the capacity by a small amount. If the club could get land at little cost (such as the uni example), football grants for new stadiums, sell Carrow Rd stadium then it could be better value for money to do that than building a new stand.Norwich is the biggest city in East Anglia and Norwich City are the biggest club. A great new stadium would help to improve the image of the whole region. That is what will probably happen in the long-term but for now the club is right to prioritise the challage of becoming an established Premier League club.

The deal for a new stadium on uni owned land was agreed and has received planning permission. The uni had also agreed to pay the club millions of pounds for the naming rights etc. It is a great deal for the club. However, the problem the club has is raising the money to cover the actual build costs.Norwich City are looking to spend tens of millions of pounds on a new stand. If Norwich could get the land for a new stadium for practically nothing then a new stadium becomes an attractive option to consider in comparison to spending a huge amount of money on a new stand.In the longer-term it would be good for the image of the whole city to have an iconic modern stadium with a much larger capacity.Consider too that local councils are looking to new railway stations, building the NDR etc. There will be huge new developments requiring provision to be made for local amenities...In the short-term the club''s priority is to become established in the Premier League.The TV revenue from being in the Premier League is so enormous that ticket revenue isn''t as vital as it once was. Being in the Premier League also gives people more opportunities to see the team play albeit via a screen, so whilst stadium expansion would be a nice thing to do it isn''t a priority (unless someone else will pay for it).

Ricky Lambert''s character would be a great fit for Norwich. He has never had much pace but he does tend to use the ball very well. He is very good at dropping deep to link midfield and attack so would also be good competition for Wes. He is much better than Wes at retaining possession and scoring goals.

[quote user="Scout_hat"]The whole plan as outlined by Tom Cavendish was ridiculous. Because he misread what was actually planned. The peppercorn rent he constantly talked abour related to the football club''s renting of their former ground, whilst the new ground was being built. The amount received for the sale of their ground (Memorial Ground) £30m, would not have paid for the new ground (£40m). The whole idea that the university would hand over a piece of land for free then pay to rent in back, also pay for use of facilities and further paying for it to be named, after the land it was sitting on ! I should imagine this is why Tom Cavendish has be unable, or reluctant, to provide any links to his rather extraordinary claims.A link that explains the real story is here,http://www.uwesu.org/news/article/uwesu/5/[/quote]The club had agreed to sell their existing stadium to Sainsbury''s and then rent it back from Sainsbury''s for a peppercorn rent whilst the new Uni stadium was being built.The club did a deal with their local uni so that the club wouldn''t need to purchase the land for a new stadium. The deal involved the Uni paying for the stadium naming rights etc. In return, the club was to use some of that money from the Uni to pay up front for a 125 year lease (so only paying a peppercorn rent for the lease of the land).The plan for a new stadium on Uni land has achieved planning permission and the Uni say they still want to go ahead with it. However, Sainsbury''s are now cutting back on opening new large stores and so have tried to get out of the deal they have with the club to purchase the existing stadium site.

[quote user="Scout_hut"]So they don''t need to buy the land ? If that is so why is the university chancellor talking about the club having to buy the land. Who is wrong, you or him ?  Also could you post up a link to that statement from the university today.http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/University-West-England-won-t-rescue-Bristol/story-22015352-detail/story.html[/quote]The club was to receive a 125-year lease (plus lease renewal options) for the land and the Uni were to pay the club £8m for the naming rights etc.The Uni statement includes "We still believe that the region deserves a state-of-the-art stadium and that the proposal that won planning and community support is still an excellent way forward."The problem the club has is funding the actual build costs.

[quote user="Scout_hut"][quote user="tom cavendish"]I''m not on a wind up, I''m right!It is an identical situation at the UEA. They need about 1205 new permanent parking spaces and to replace their temporary car park.At the Bristol UWE stadium, the new stadium car park (with 1270 spaces) is to replace the need for the uni owned temporary car park.Using the Bristol example, the university didn''t want to spend educational funds building a new permanent car park. They are very keen that a stadium is built on their land so that they can lease the stadium car park and 19,000 sqft of teaching space inside the stadium.Financially, it makes great sense for the football club and the uni.The FC is getting the land for free on a very long lease on a peppercorn rent from the uni. The FC will make millions from leasing the teaching space and car park to the uni, and the build cost of the new stadium is being covered by the sale of their old stadium.They are getting a new stadium, and millions in regular income, and clearing their debts, and it is costing them nothing.If NCFC did the same thing, but instead of spending that extra £20m on 8,000 extra seats at CR but put it towards a news stadium... NCFC would have a much better stadium and lucrative new income streams that could last the next 100 years.[/quote]Any news on this new stadium Tom ?Three and a quarter years have now passed and not a brick has been laid, or a peppercorn grown.[/quote]They actually achieved planning permission to build a new stadium on Uni owned land (and have a deal to only pay a peppercorn-rent so they don''t need to purchase land). The Uni have today made a statement saying they still want the stadium to be built on their land. The problem that club has is in funding the actual build costs.I was also right that Carrow Road wasn''t going to be redeveloped in the short-term as the spending priority would be to stay in the Premier League. Once the club was relegated, I was also right that the spending priority would be to get back into the Premier League.Consider too that gate receipts in the Premier League are becoming a decreasing percentage of revenue (due to the massive increase in TV revenue and clubs developing other business interests). There is less of an incentive to spend a lot of money just to increase capacity by a little.Another thing to consider is that being in the Premier League with the extensive TV coverage also allows a huge number of people the opportunity to regularly watch Norwich matches (so helping to develop the fan-base leading to an increase in merchandise sales etc).However, I do think Norwich needs a better stadium (and a large exhibition centre etc.) but the club should find ways of achieving that without having a detrimental impact upon the playing budget.

[quote user="tom cavendish"]I think that he would make a good signing for Norwich.[/quote]The Mail are now reporting that Norwich are interested in him:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3159326/

£20m + Rickie Lambert would be a good deal.