tom cavendish

lake district canary,I have gone into detail to explain how:Bus: Bus stops at a new stadium would make it more convenient for a lot of people than CR, particularly when the weather isn''t very good.Car: Those who currently go by car could park nearer to a new stadium than at CR and they could use the NDR so avoiding congestion in the city centre. Consider too that the car park at CR has been sold for housing, the council may consider raising charges to park at County Hall and introduce congestion charges to enter the city centre by car.Rail: The council want new railway stations at Broadland which would mean shorter and cheaper journeys for the majority of fans who currently travel by rail. It would also help to attract fans from a wider area.Walking: Those who park in the city centre and then walk go to a match whilst their family go shopping could save money by parking at a park and ride close to a new stadium.A lot of fans will be working at Broadland so for evening matches they could walk to a stadium from where they work.Some people would have to walk further, other less. Some will find other modes of transport. Some who currently use cars and public transport would be able to walk to the stadium instead.7,000 to 10,000 new homes to be built (est 22,000 more local people). Cycling: Broadland growth triangle is to be part of the Norwich cycle network so it would be convenient for a lot of people to cycle to a new stadium.Here is an example of bikes parked at the Southampton Stadium:http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/cms_images/other/cycle-area-sized148-1005836.jpg

[quote user="TIL 1010"]York City as someone has rightly pointed out is for an 8,000 seater stadium and dear old Tom earlier in this thread put a link to an example of how buses can pick up and drop off right outside the ground and that turned out to be Oxford who have a 3 sided ground with a very small capacity. Hardly like for like examples when we are on about a new stadium for 35,000. [/quote]Here is one of the bus stops outside the Derby Stadium:https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.915835,-1.448037,3a,75y,148.59h,79.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skl_W2kUL3xZ27XQ_ILNDLg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

[quote user="chicken"]Also to save people clicking the link. The York stadium is projected to cost £35million for 8,000 seats. [/quote]The stadium aspect of the project is £16m. York City are to pay only about £2m towards the build cost and they are to get a lot of that money from football grants.A lot of the money for the new York Community Stadium hub is from the local council, local developers, and uni. York Community Stadium hub includes a swimming pool, 3G pitches, sports hall, library, NHS, gym etc.Now consider that 7,000 to 10,000 new homes are to be built in the Broadland growth triangle and the council and developers will need to provide facilities for local people... There is a fantastic opportunity for NC.

[quote user="chicken"]they decided that the most viable option would be to bring Carrow Road up to 35,000 seats.[/quote]A few years ago the club claimed there was demand to expand the stadium to 35k but that it was NOT viable in the short-term because the priority is to spend money to establish the club in the Premier League. Only then would they consider going ahead with it. I completely agree with that.Since making that statement a few years ago some major local developments have been given the go-ahead such as the Broadland growth triangle, more businesses moving there, the Postwick Hub, the NDR.That presents NC with some fantastic opportunities to achieve a much better stadium (and other opportunities) than if at CR.It would be foolhardy to not even investigate the possibilities.There is also the old Utilities Site very close to CR that could be used for a power station. It would be worth the club registering an interest. To clear debts Norwich City considered a deal to sell the lease for CR to a finance company and lease it back. Rightly, the club decided not to do that. The club retains the option of selling CR and moving out.

York City are to move into a new stadium and they will be paying for a long lease. "York City Council has invested £8m in the stadium, with the rest coming from grants and revenue from commercial developments." "York City FC chairman Jason McGill said the Football Stadia Improvement Fund (FSIF) supported the club''s £2m contribution." "The club previously said refurbishing the Bootham Crescent ground was not financially viable." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-30574521Rather than looking to spend a fortune increasing the capacity of CR, plus the stadium car park has been sold etc. wouldn''t it be a good idea to at least explore the possibilities of building a new stadium?

[quote user="CarrowCanary"]It''s not being built on the deal ground but on the site of the old power station... I think the developers are after government funding because of that reason. In the Edp link...you can see a new river excess on the pic..to a propsed marina where the deal ground is. As i work for colmans we usually get to hear of any proposals[/quote]The people behind the plans for a new Power Station very close to CR stadium would like a new bridge to be built for lorries to deliver 200,000+ tonnes of straw pellets per year... else consider going around CR...They already admit that the proposed power station would add some air pollution over Norwich.NC might want to consider blocking the plans, taking the site or moving elsewhere.

YankeeCanary,I was replying to ricardo who rightly said that NC claimed a new City stand would need to be filled near to capacity to break even.The best way to pay for a bigger stadium is to involve other partners to help pay for it. If the club does that then it could mean money for the club to spend on the team.

[quote user="ricardo"]If I was asked to pick the least likely site for a new stadium it would be the Deal Ground. The only possible access to this area is via the County Hall roundabout.[/quote]Which is why they want a new bridge to the site...

Barbe,There are plans for a new £325m power station to be built close to CR Stadium and one of the major investors is the UEA.Read here:http://www.edp24.co.uk/property/norwich_gets_its_first_glimpse_of_proposed_325m_energy_plant_1_4065356Yet it seems that some fans are very quick to dismiss the possibility of a partnership with the UEA etc. to help fund the cost of a bigger stadium.It might even be worth NC asking about the possibility of putting a new stadium on that site rather than a power station (that is going to cause pollution). There is also a proposal to build a new bridge to that site.

[quote user="Molly Windley"]I dont think that you have thought through all the issues that would ensue with having bus stops directly outside a football stadium. Ask yourself why supporters coaches do not drop off and pick up directly outside CR or any other stadium.[/quote]Lots of stadiums have coach parking available in their car parks. For bus services here is an example of a bus stop outside of a stadium:https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.715676,-1.209313,3a,75y,63.12h,84.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0A_IKCRYbWCaFyRnoIiqKg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

chicken,There are no bus stops at CR. A new stadium could have them and a bus lane. I am sure that a lot of people would prefer to be able to be dropped off all the way to right-outside a stadium particularly when the weather isn''t very good.

[quote user="93vintage"] In an idea world a city centre stadium would make for a far better experience. At the moment it''s quite a way off from the city centre, with poor bus links and very little general appeal.[/quote]Yes it is a shame that the bus links to CR are poor. A new stadium could have bus stops right outside of the stadium.

A lot of people use the car park when attending events, Delia''s etc. So where would they park if that car park becomes flats?

The main car park directly behind the Jarrold Stand was sold to a housing association who have been looking to build 150+ new flats on it.If the housing association build on the car park then where are people going to park for corporate hospitality, Delia''s, disabled parking facilities etc?

[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="Gainer the Gopher"]Tom has vision and optimism. Most on here are like scared rabbits.[/quote]Unfortunately Tom is blind to the reality.[/quote] Mr McNally said the 35,000 figure would “produce a self-sustainable Premier League football club”, but the current capacity of 27,000 would not."

ricardo,Yes a new City stand would likely need to be filled very near to capacity just to break-even because the cost of building it would be so enormous.That is precisely a reason why the club should do long-term deals with partners to help pay for it or a new stadium. One that will also provide opportunities for the club to earn additional money to help pay for a better team.

[quote user=""]Ricardo got it right - this thread is attempting to solve a problem which doesn''t exist.[/quote]The stadium capacity isn''t great enough to meet the demand for some matches so NC lose potential ticket revenue etc. NC have said that the club needs a 35K stadium. The problem is how to pay for it without having a detrimental impact upon the playing budget so the club has said the the priority is to establish the club in the Premier League. If the club is relegated then the priority will be to get back into the Premier League.The problem to solve is how to achieve a 35k+ stadium without it having any negative impact upon the playing budget?In the absence of a wealthy owner paying for it, there are numerous way of achieving it but they mostly involve long-term partnerships with other companies and organisations.The best local long-term partnerships to explore are going to be with the UEA, council, Aviva etc. Therefore think about what could be of mutual benefit in the long-term to fund a 35k stadium (regardless of whether that is at CR or a new stadium) and provide additional funds for the playing budget. Sharing land and/or facilities is likely to be the way forward.

TGoMT,Yes people to the west of Norwich would have a little further to travel but the NDR is going to be built. A new stadium with lots of parking might then be more convenient for a lot of those people than going to CR.Consider too that some people to the west of the City already get a bus to the Castle Mall and then walk the rest of the way or get another bus. Therefore getting a bus from the Castle Mall to a new stadium won''t make much difference. It might actually be more convenient as there could be bus stops right outside of a new stadium.Don''t forget that a new stadium could be closer for a lot of people plus there are to be 7,000 to 10,000 new homes built in that area and the biggest businesses based there too.

TGoMT,RAILPeople already go to/from CR on those train services. The new stations would mean those people having shorter journeys and could save money (than if the stadium was at CR). It would help the club to attract more people from outside of Norwich. The rail company etc. would like to double the frequency of trains along those tracks. At the Postwick hub site there''s already a car park, a bridge over the track, toilets & office block. It should be relatively simple to add the platforms.NDRThe NDR would make a new stadium more convenient for a lot of people in Norwich and beyond particularly if there was a lot of parking at the stadium (from which the club could make money).PARKINGThe car park behind the Jarrold Stand has been sold for housing but has not yet been built upon. If that car park was built upon and there was a significant increase in capacity at CR then the lack of stadium parking could become a major problem for a lot of people. Consider too that the population of greater Norwich is planned to increase by a lot so traffic congestion and parking problems near to CR are only going to get worse (and more expensive).BUSThere are already bus services to Broadland Business Park including direct to/from Norwich, Great Yarmouth, Wymondham etc. To/from the Castle Mall only takes 12 minutes which isn''t much difference from going to CR.There are to be bus stops within 400m of every house so there would likely be far more bus services. It would make sense for there to be bus stops at a new stadium.WALK & CYCLEA new stadium would be nearer for some fans and further for others but also consider that there are to be 7,000 to 10,000 new homes built (22,000 new local residents) that could be within walking distance of a new stadium.  It is also worth considering that a lot of fans will have jobs at Broadland Business Park (and a lot more will have in the future) so will be used to the commute. For evening matches a lot of workers could finish work and walk to the stadium for a pre-match meal etc.

[quote user="Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB"]If there were to be a new stadium, with emphasis on the "if" then the suggestion by Tom regarding the location is a good one. The Norwich to Great Yarmouth/Lowestoft line goes one side of the Broadland Business Park (behind the Postwick Park and Ride) and the Norwich to Cromer/Sheringham line goes the other side (the two lines split at Whitlingham Lane, just up from The Oaklands Hotel). The infrastructure will be there, the only issue would be whether or not the existing rail network could cope. The only other stumbling block is the cost of a new stadium as I suspect that there will be a quite a gap between the build coast and the amount we could reasonably expect to receive from the sale of Carrow Rd.....[/quote]The council have allocated some land for a new railway station (on the Bittern Line) between Dussindale and to the south of Thorpe End.It seems the other station they want for Broadland Business Park is where the Postwick park and ride is currently situated. The railway line (The Wherry Line) runs right behind it. The site will soon be vacant (as they are currently building a new park and ride).That would be a great site for a station because the car park has already been built and it is just across the bridge from Broadland Business Park.Considering the NDR is now going ahead that area is going to have great transport links in the future.

chicken7,000 to 10,000 new homes are to be provided in the Broadland area they call the ''Growth Triangle''. See the following image showing where it is:http://static.squarespace.com/static/537dc029e4b0bb0d036f613f/t/53977538e4b0b2d810697a43/1402435183426/BG%20Study%20Area.jpg?format=original

chicken,The club may not need to buy land but could lease it instead and so vastly reduce the cost of a new stadium. The club could sell stadium naming rights to cover the lease.The council want more than 7,000 new homes etc. in the area equating to about an extra 20,000 local people. The council and developers will need to provide land for local amenities. A new stadium could provide a gym, education centre, bars & restaurants, retail, sports, entertainment etc.

This proposal for a new 4,500 seat venue at Broadland could be good if built as part of a stadium plan to help share costs:http://broadlandbusinesspark.co.uk/news/4500-seat-a

First Wazzock,Broadland District Council have commissioned reports to help support the case for new railway stations at Postwick, Broadland Business Park and possibly at Rackheath.

Is anyone able to actually give good reasons as to why it couldn''t become a good location in the longer-term?