Mook

[quote user="silver fox"] I am not talking about running far enough, or how many touches a player makes, I am talking about a player chasing lost causes and trying to win the ball back when they lose it.  Given the chance I would prefer to have Tevez in the side rather than Torres, because he is the type of player I like to see on the field, because he never gives up.  I do not have access to stats but I guess that Tevez has scored more goals than Torres this season, and in comparison Holt has scored more goals than Chris Martin. [/quote]I hope certain people aren''t reading this because, by your logic, a Mr D Huckerby would not make the team under your management. He was not the "chasing back" type, even when playing left mid. Cristiano Ronaldo would also not be in your team, because he likes to sit on the floor complaining when he gets tackled. Those pesky Brazilians Ronaldo & Ronaldinho certainly didn''t work hard enough and would have to make way too, perhaps you could replace them with Leon McKenzie in your team? He used to chase the ball like a headless maniac.Whatever you, or I, or anyone says about Chris Martin my point is this: can we please debate his football skills? Not his lung capacity or appetite for ball chasing.Tevez has more goals than Torres. However, Berbatov has more goals than both - but I bet you wouldn''t like that guy in your team huh?! What a waste of space he is, with his stupid flicks, tricks and poncing about. He should be chasing lost causes and winning the ball back, rather than letting the midfield do that, and staying up front where he can do damage.

Am I the only person that thinks it''s typically ENGLISH that we''re all here debating whether he runs far enough??? Not the timing of his runs, the quality of his touch, the inventiveness of his play, his spotting of through balls, his link up play or his knowledge of his teammates positions around him. I''m not saying he''s brilliant at all of these things, but can''t we talk about ACTUAL FOOTBALL SKILL for once????? We need a combination of players: tryers & talents, workers & creators, etc.Do you think the Spanish sit around complaining that Torres doesn''t chase back enough? Or the Dutch sit around worrying about Sneijder''s work rate? Drives me round the bend, seriously.

[quote user="youll go blind"] Think you are the moron, anyone in their right mind would take promotion at first attempt to get the "Pot of Gold" things can soon go wrong if we plan to consolidate this year for a push next year, i.e Lambert could get offered a top job, one he couldn''t turn down etc etc.[/quote]You wanna watch out for that "pot of gold" myth. Many teams had that pot of gold, blew it on players in an attempt to stay in the division, and are now utterly ruined. Pompey, Hull, Leicester, Watford, Leeds are all clubs that got drawn into the "consolidate in the premiership" game, and it''s going to take (or, in Leeds'' case, has taken) a long time to get back on an even keel.

[quote user="Adam NCFC"]Lappin was suspended. Please keep up.[/quote]Well thought-out comment, thanks.Ricardo, great report as always, keep em coming.

[quote user="NCFC4LIFE"]He has with Nottingham Forest and Blackpool!!!! My point proven with a1canary!!! doh! pmsl what a tool....[/quote]Expert''s like you that think our player''s are rubbis''h without ever giving them a chanc''e, even though JBA was out of the team for most of last season and Nelson play''ed really well thus deserving a chance at a higher level, are the typical norwich fan''s.By the way, you got pwnd by A1Canary about the Grant Holt / Championship statistics, roflmao!!!!!111!!!!1

And why would you put an apostrophe in "fans"? Fans is a word. It''s not two words joined together.

[quote user="tom1902"]We struck gold with Huckerby that year, before he signed we were nothing.[/quote]Apart from the playoffs, and the 8th place finish.

[quote user="priceyrice"][quote user="morty"][quote user="jas the barclay king"]i can remember ian henderson making his debut at 18 and certain sections of the crowd barracking his every mistake! he was just a kid and it couldn''t have helped with his development.pity some morons set out to ruin him i say... he might have been half decent if not.[/quote]Yeah, thats pretty much how I remember it too. Can''t quite remember why though, were we going through a poor stage? He did get dog''s abuse.[/quote]thats how i remember it as-well, didnt we have a few young players at this time, like the jarvis brothers as-well? I ont think henderson ever got it right for us but he was never as bad as it was made out and he was young, like i said earlier though, wouldnt wana see him return, not the type striker we need[/quote]I certainly don''t remember the Jarvis brothers getting any flak at all. Hendo was hated by one and all, most people were gutted about Worthy playing him at all, certainly not about him playing on the wing. But we didn''t have any backup at that point in time, perhaps Worthy had wasted all our money on other players ;)One thing seems obvious though with the Worthington thread, and now this - our fans were totally unrealistic and pretty sh***y to some members of the playing and management staff. For example, you''d NEVER see Liverpool fans behaving with that lack of dignity to "their own". Remember the abuse Gary Holt got at the end of his career here? Bloody disgrace. Hendo was getting slated, Worthington getting slated, Andy Hughes getting booed by his own fans, god - it''s all a bit depressing, thank god things seem to have changed... For a while...

Nobody has mentioned the fight-starting tackle yet.That, to my eyes, would have been a red 9 times out of 10. Even Hucks tweeted something along the lines of "Holty''s going to go for that". It was a stupid tackle, wtf was he thinking?Incidentally, I totally loved it. Took out a player, started a fight, got the adrenaline going, only got a yellow, brilliant! But we wouldn''t be saying that if the ref had understandably given him a red card. And when you show the ferocity of that tackle against the ease of him going down to get Delaney sent off, it starts to look a bit hmmmm....

[quote user="mtv"]Might have been but I do remember he got an improved contract out of it! He said the usual ''I''m flattered to be mention with such a big club''[/quote]MTV, I''m intrigued - how do you feel about Iwan Roberts? Talismanic centre forward? A hulk of a man who bled yellow & green?

[quote user="jas the barclay king"] still.. those who defended him etc and feel he should still be here should bear 1 thing in mind.. it was the events of the Worthy Fiasco that got the ball rolling to where we are today under Lambert... who seriously doesnt think we are better off now? [/quote] Jas, that''s the biggest crock of b****cks I''ve read on this thread yet! Do you REALLY think we were guaranteed something better after we got rid of Worthy? We have stumbled, due to fortune and mainly Gunn''s ineptitude, upon Lambert at exactly the right time. I direct you to the bit at the end of my post:[quote user="Mook"]Ask any Sheffield Wednesday fan - you can go through years and years of wilderness before getting anything in place that can change things. It''s all very well to sit there and look smug as we now have the Lambert/McNally combo, but there was absolutely NO guarantee that this situation would have arisen. We could have had 10 / 20 years of Gunns, Roeders, Grants, Christ only knows who else, Bryan Robson? Steve Tilson? Phil Parkinson? Dave Penney? Jeremy Goss? I shudder to think. And THAT is why the Worthy Out campaign split the terraces so vehemently. Stick with a tried and tested manager who MAY have lost it but by the same logic MAY well have got it back together again. Or plunge into the wilderness of football management in the simple belief that it "can''t get any worse". Well it can get worse. And it did. And it''s just chance and luck that things have turned around again.[/quote]I''m certainly not saying that Nigel was doing brilliantly BUT, for some of us, he had enough in his favour (play-offs, promotion, Huckerby, Gary Holt, regaining the Pride of Anglia etc) to be worth NOT waging a personal war against in favour of getting anybody - just ANYBODY - in his place. And that''s all the WO movement was. It was an object in removing one man. With absolutely no thought or regard as to who would replace him.

[quote user="mtv"]From reading the posts on this thread it would appear that a small bunch of kids were the ring leaders behind Worthington leaving the club and it was the worst thing that ever happened, him leaving.......bloody hell what short memories you lot have! At the end his team was not playing for him, the results were against him and the MAJORITY of the paying fans were against him. It doesnt matter what a small bunch of poster on a website think, whether you like it or not you don/didn''t represent the majority view on this matter. Yes the club went on a downward spiral, but it was well into that downward spiral while he was here. It is no good then saying his sacking lead to Grant, Roeder Gunn but you could also say that Doncasters sacking lead to Lambert so you can follow the trail as far as you want, the facts are the club had to hit a bottom before it could get back up. Worthington held on to his job for finacial reasons and not for anything thing else, he want his contract paying up (and I would to) and wasn''t never going to leave until he was sacked. To say the Worthy Out campaign got personal well, It was personal, it was about getting one man out and another in, Ofcourse it was personal. Can anyone tell me how to do it politely. It is how football fans react worldwide (except on here apparently!) It makes me laugh when I see some of the most personal of attacks on here between posters over the stupidest of things. Every survey/poll that was done at that time was shown that the large majority of fans wanted him out. He made constant attacks on the fans in his ''dying days'' His tactics were boring, his team ''long balled'' it for most of its games. Ofcourse he had success but his time was up and instead or accepting that he left kicking and screaming which was the cause of the campaign. In my opinion it should have carried on to get rid of Doncasters as well but even though there will be deniers, Some people still backed him unbelievably. Now of course this post will be dissected and bits will be thrown back but the broad meassge is Worthington''s time was up he had to go, whether some people on here liked it or not!  [/quote]This is relatively true, but also a very simplistic view. Worthington was undermined by the board here, hung out to dry in the hope that he would walk. The fans who had been so happy when he took us up, wouldn''t give his team the time of day anymore.I don''t think many, including Nigel by the looks of the interview, would say that he had not run out of steam. But it was the horribly personal nature of the campaign, the in-fighting between fans, the ridiculous polarisation, cheering the opposition goals etc etc that made the real problem. Everything got so utterly ridiculous, and considering the CRAP that we''ve been through since then, it wasn''t the magic bullet that we thought.Yes, you can say that the fans but the motion in place for Lambert/McNally. I totally disagree. Ask any Sheffield Wednesday fan - you can go through years and years of wilderness before getting anything in place that can change things. It''s all very well to sit there and look smug as we now have the Lambert/McNally combo, but there was absolutely NO guarantee that this situation would have arisen. We could have had 10 / 20 years of Gunns, Roeders, Grants, Christ only knows who else, Bryan Robson? Steve Tilson? Phil Parkinson? Dave Penney? Jeremy Goss? I shudder to think. And THAT is why the Worthy Out campaign split the terraces so vehemently. Stick with a tried and tested manager who MAY have lost it but by the same logic MAY well have got it back together again. Or plunge into the wilderness of football management in the simple belief that it "can''t get any worse". Well it can get worse. And it did. And it''s just chance and luck that things have turned around again.

I''ve got a really bad limp due to a bad tackle on Sunday.Gait news.

Bolton just posted a loss of £34.5 million. Man Utd posted a loss of £83.6 million. Man City posted a loss of £92.6 million. Spurs just posted £7 million pound loss. Hull are bust. Portsmouth are bust. Liverpool nearly went into administration.Can I just ask - why on earth do people still believe that getting to the premiership is worth taking a massive risk for?

I''m still wondering why you''re so angry with Stephen Fry, Wiz. Any thoughts on this? What did you think of his article to explain the recent hoo-ha? I thought it was rather well-worded and explained his position on the debate, and on quitting twitter.I''m still struggling to find what a brilliant comedy actor (a career which imo will be revisited for decades to come), a writer of fantastic books, a staunch defender of English-ness and a director/fan of your football team has ever done to upset you?If you can lay off the angry pills or from trying to twist something I''ve said into something it''s not, I''d be genuinely interested to hear what he''s done that''s got your back up so much.

[quote user="Give Peas a Chance "]Injury prone FC X Helveg Whitbread X Drury Eadie Emblem X O''Neill Abbey Giallanza[/quote]Helveg over Louis-Jean???? Don''t think so. How about Jason Jarrett in the other CM position, and at CB that guy we signed from Celtic on loan that had to retire not long ago?And Drury is hardly injury prone, just had one real bad one.

[quote user="Beauseant"] Secondly, I understand that Whitbread is a bit of a party animal who likes the nightlife. Maybe Lambert has non footballing reasons to get rid. [/quote]Lambert brought him in though, right? In which case you''d have thought he''d done his research on Whitbread''s "personality traits" before he came into the club. Strikes me as strange for Lambert to make such a bad call on a perma-crocked night-clubber. I guess we all make mistakes, even PL!

I''m still intrigued to find out what Stephen Fry deserves a bashing from Wizard, unless being part of some of the best comedy programs to ever air on British TV, starring in some excellent films, championing arts, crafts and the theatre of Great Britain, making some thought-provoking documentaries, commenting on a weird "state" visit that was granted to the Pope (even though he''s not a head of state), presenting a light-hearted and TV quiz and generally being one of the most likeable high-profile figures in the country is a crime.Wizard. Please put it into words. What has Stephen Fry actually done to provoke you to be so angry with him?

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[quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="Mook"]Mello....That was quite funny. Well done.These songs are all just so "Elton John at Watford" though, aren''t they? And that''s pretty darn old hat. Can''t someone clever make a limerick up about Bipolar disorder?I mean, if laughing about someone''s genetic programming is so hilarious, we should laugh at Mr Fry''s life-changing (and to some people, life-threatening) disorder, right?[/quote]Don''t tempt me Monk.... don''t tempt me.As it is clear that you and one or two others on this thread are gay, I would point out that I have (or used to have) a good friend who came out as being  gay. [/quote]Cool, now we have something in common. Let''s talk leather trousers... Funny, we share even more similarities - after many years it turned out that one of my friends was a base, slow-witted muppet with a low-level sense of humour.I was actually being genuinely reasonable - we''re still laughing at bum-burgling shirt-lifters as if "Are You Being Served" was still current, why don''t we upgrade our football songs? I bet the Rangers fans have done one for Neil Lennon''s depression, yet we in Norfolk are still so fascinated by homosexuality that we have to steal songs sung on Watford''s terraces in the 80s?

[quote user="Mello Yello"]Never mind.....Those players who are upset with the nasty booing.....Can always wipe away their sobbed tears - and then blow their cute button little noses.... using a spare £50 note....as a temporary tissue....     [/quote]Isn''t this "everyone''s richer than me waahhhh wahhhh wahhhhh" crying getting a bit boring? Newsflash. Footballers are ridiculously well paid. And legend has it that Rodney Marsh, George Best and many other footballers from a bygone era were FAR better paid than the average Joe, swanning around with nice suits, flash cars & fancy birds.Nobody is saying that the players will go home and cry about it, and I couldn''t really care less about that. Booing a team 4th in the league off the pitch after one of the first home losses in a year smacks of dullards not knowing what they''re talking about. It won''t exactly help the board and the management listen to the fans when something is ACTUALLY wrong, will it?And Cluck, I''ve got a giant shoe-horn if you''re struggling to wedge any more anti-Delia comments into threads that don''t concern her.

Mello....That was quite funny. Well done.These songs are all just so "Elton John at Watford" though, aren''t they? And that''s pretty darn old hat. Can''t someone clever make a limerick up about Bipolar disorder?I mean, if laughing about someone''s genetic programming is so hilarious, we should laugh at Mr Fry''s life-changing (and to some people, life-threatening) disorder, right?

[quote user="morty"]Yes but who decided when it is necessary and when it isn''t? You essentially have decided for other people who pay their money that it was wrong to boo against Palarse, but right to do it against Colchester. Surely its down to individual freedom of speech?I booed at Colchester but didn''t at Palarse, my choice. Given the utterly soulless performance in the second half against a very poor Palace team I can completely understand people wanting to make their feelings about the performance known at the full time whistle, its the only way we can express displeasure, as being fans we''re unlikely to just not go to games after seeing a bad performance.[/quote]But why do we need to voice our displeasure so quickly? Like I mention; pantomime, or wrestling, that''s the point of going, to cheer or boo, it''s part of the occasion. Or X-Factor, or Britain''s Got Talent, or Gladiators or whatever, it''s the theatre, boo the bad guy, cheer the underdog etc.You (like me) are old enough to remember when booing wasn''t the done thing at football. We didn''t just sit quietly (see Chase Out protests etc) but you didn''t get the national team being booed off after every bad half, people didn''t go expecting to be served up "entertainment", we went to the football to watch, well, you know, football. Sport.Of course people can boo whatever the hell they like, I believe in keeping my powder dry. You boo too quickly, what do you do when you''re REALLY in the schtuck? Set fire to the ground? Voicing our displeasure is really the only weapon the fans have to make their point - and once you''ve removed the impact, the meaning is lost.

[quote user="morty"][quote user="Mook"][quote user="morty"]Can anyone who attended the Colchester opening day of the season debacle honestly say they didn''t boo?[/quote]But that game was a DISASTER. We had just been relegated to our lowest position in English football for 50 years. We came out with hope and optimism, and it was destroyed. Nobody really had any faith in Gunn, and the board had just been re-shaped. That match has NO relevance to the Crystal Palace game!  We led in the Palace match, started to drift away, looked tired, didn''t play great and eventually lost by a single goal. It was a combination of a few poor performances and possibly some poor decisions by the management.What the hell does that have to do with the Colchester match? This thread is about people booing after what is basically one poor home performance in a year. Whilst being 4th in the table and over-achieving in what is a tough league.For the final time (well, it''ll be the last time I say it as I''ve mentioned it 4 times now and nobody seems to listen) I can understand booing the team when we''re disasterously poor, or on a horrible run of form (although I wouldn''t do it - it just feels a bit X-Factor ITV to me). I just can''t understand booing when we play badly ONCE. Or once every so often.[/quote]Did you boo that day?[/quote]Ha! Thankfully (although I was gutted before the match) I was at my sister-in-law''s wedding. But although I would have struggled to boo (it''s just a personal hatred of booing) I would have totally understood those that did.There are two issues here - one is that I hate booing, it''s embarrassing and sounds retarded (in my opinion). The other is booing when it''s "necessary" and booing when it''s "unnecessary". The OP points out that after the Palace match, booing was not necessary - and how anyone can dispute that is beyond me.

[quote user="morty"]Can anyone who attended the Colchester opening day of the season debacle honestly say they didn''t boo?[/quote]But that game was a DISASTER. We had just been relegated to our lowest position in English football for 50 years. We came out with hope and optimism, and it was destroyed. Nobody really had any faith in Gunn, and the board had just been re-shaped. That match has NO relevance to the Crystal Palace game!  We led in the Palace match, started to drift away, looked tired, didn''t play great and eventually lost by a single goal. It was a combination of a few poor performances and possibly some poor decisions by the management.What the hell does that have to do with the Colchester match? This thread is about people booing after what is basically one poor home performance in a year. Whilst being 4th in the table and over-achieving in what is a tough league.For the final time (well, it''ll be the last time I say it as I''ve mentioned it 4 times now and nobody seems to listen) I can understand booing the team when we''re disasterously poor, or on a horrible run of form (although I wouldn''t do it - it just feels a bit X-Factor ITV to me). I just can''t understand booing when we play badly ONCE. Or once every so often.