Thirsty Lizard

Not on the pitch, but off it. Loss of £18.7 million for June 2022 to June 2023. Loss of £12.6 million the previous year. Losses "expected to increase further" for this financial year. If they get promoted shouldn't be much of a problem for them, but a different story if they don't. https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/24205704.ipswich-town-accounts-2022-2023-financial-year-revealed/

Sure - goals scored isn't the whole story - but as I said earlier in the the thread it is the single most important metric for assessing the performance of an attacking player. I think Mumba has got a couple of assists this season and I don't think Fassnacht has any, but even if you add Mumba's goals and assists together it's still less than Fassnacht in quite a lot more minutes played.

It was my brother's bright idea.....................

Your post puts me in mind of one of the more cringe making few minutes of my life. My brother's girlfriend lives in Bushey and so prior to the play-off final against Middlesbrough we convened there in the morning for breakfast before the 5 of us got a cab to Wembley. Unfortunately neither our cab driver or us were too sure of the layout around the stadium and he happened to take a turning which took us slap bang through the middle of all the Boro fans in a painfully slow moving queue of traffic. Obviously we all had our Norwich shirts on and so we had to run the gauntlet of thousands of beered up Middlesbrough fans ripping the p*ss out of us. Luckily it was mostly pretty good natured, but I couldn't help noticing that there was one song they were all singing. "We're going up, we're going up, we're the mighty Boro and we're going up". (They had beaten us 4-0 in the League at their place earlier in the season and beaten us 1-0 at Carrow Road just a few weeks earlier). I remember thinking to myself, I think you're being a little bit over confident there lads, and so of course it proved.

Let me get this straight. You're on this message board - this message board!!! - where well educated (allegedly) grown adults can argue back and forth all day long about whether or not we were right to sell Bali Mumba to Plymouth for £1 million. And you've got "no opinion". Seriously - what the hell are you doing here???? 😉

Well I wish I could have ignored it. 😂 In fact of course it supports my argument and undermines yours. Plymouth smashed us that day. Mumba played on the left wing from the start. In a game where they hit 6 his contribution was zero goals scored, zero assists and a penalty conceded for a ludicrous lunge on Onel. (before being substituted).

I'll tell you what doesn't sound good from a management perspective - getting 10 bookings and being suspended for 2 games - ironically one of them is against us. Not exactly coming back to haunt us is he?

Chelsea fan Matos left to play for Chelsea who no doubt offered to pay him far more than we were able to offer him. You may have heard of the massive finanacial disparity in football these days between the Premier League and the rest. (Obviously Matos and his agent are going to come up with some PR b**llocks about pathways blah, blah, blah to justify grabbing the money aren't they?).

So Sofascore doesn't rate Sainz as being noticeably better than Mumba???? Really??? What do you think?

Hot - Cross Bone Day! Best headline ever!!

No - wrong again - is certainly isn't a stupid way to assess a player - it's the most important single metric for assessing attacking players. There are other important ones too such as assists and chances created etc. This whole thread is a great example of Pinkun parallel universe nonsense to be honest. Mumba made it crystal clear before this season started that he wanted first team football now - fair enough, that's his perogative - but there was no way that he was going to get in ahead of Rowe, Sainz, Stacey, Gianoullis and McCallum - and it was pretty debatable whether he was a better bet than Hernandez, Placheta and Fassnacht. Under those circumstances selling him was the correct option.

You're looking a bit desperate here. Nobody said anybody anything about Buendia did they? We're comparing Fassnacht with Mumba. A wide player who scores goals at the rate Fassnacht does is a pretty valuable commodity wouldn't you say? (And you're silent on Mumba's pretty poor disciplinary record - the one facet of his game which is similar to Emi's).

PP played a few sub minutes as a left back and the away game at Cardiff which we won anyway. Wagner then realised that it was a bad idea and ditched it. Hardly a serious mistake.

No, no, you're right...... scoring goals is just soooooooooooooo overrated. That Josh Sargent is utter gash. All he ever does is score goals. How many assists has he got? 😅🤣

I'm really stumped on this one. Fassnacht - minutes played 1656 - Goals scored 6. Mumba - minutes played - 2378 - Goals scored 2. Impossible to decide based on those stats..............................🤣🤣

I think I may have been a little unfair to Mumba in my post above - there's one area of the game where he's clearly better than any member of our first team squad. Collecting yellow cards. 🤣

When would he have been a useful short term option??? He's not fit to lace Rowe's boots - he's not fit to lace Sainz's boots. He's not fit to lace Stacey's boots - he's clearly not at the same level as either Gianoullis or McCallum. (And he remains the only player in the whole Championship to have conceded a penalty this season by having to resort to fouling Onel Hernandez 😅)

I think they probably did have a talent advantage over most other sides in L1 last season.

Okay - see your point. Anyway - hard not to see the irony - Schumacher was wandering around the sidelines looking like a man lost as Wagner's Norwich broke with devastating effect on his defensively disorganised Stoke side. Wind back 6 months and it was Wagner looking ashen faced on the sidelines as Schumacher's Plymouth broke with devastating effect on his defensively disorganised Norwich side.

If the Canaries don't survive it's time to get out of the coal mine..........................

Surely getting a team organised is largely down to the manager?

More posts that have aged well..............

I agree with you up to a point, but Wagner very obviously likes his teams to press from the front and Sargent is the best we've got at that, so in that respect I agree with Fen Canary (whilst also agreeing with you that "our best strikers are our best strikers" and that their return would have made a big difference regardless.)

We've done this a number of times this season - played fringe first team playes in the U21s to give them some game time/keep up their fitness levels.

Thompkinson also wants to know what's going on - as does ex City legend Wes Hollahan.