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No evidence for this, more likely he didn't fit the Smith and Wagner profiles of what they wanted. Good player in there given a chance.

Some on here might consider that a price worth paying.

I don't think the written transfer request point has been valid for thirty years! A players contract is a liability for the club, in which the player knows what he will get over the duration including any bonus or staged payments. When negotiating with another club the player's are unlikely to be happy at a TOTAL value that is less than the TOTAL income that is already certain. A players services is often of value to the club he is contracted to and by leaving he is effectively breaking that contract. Any transfer fee is in effect compensation for that break. Again the player is unlikely to leave unless that is agreed. This is clearer in the Spanish system where the compensation for that break is written into contracts, the much misunderstood release clause. This is the amount the player has to compensate his employer if he moves to another club e.g. for Varane he can come and play for us at any time and we as a club don't have to pay anything BUT Varane has to pay 6 million Euros for the privilege. What happens in practice is that the new club contracts to pay the player the release clause + a salary across an agreed duration, the old club is compensated and the contract lapses. Paying up a players contract is a totally separate issue.

The equity gain is there, whether S&J take it or not. This only gifts it to MA. And don't forget the 20% of minorities or @Essex Canary will be very upset 🙂

Everything ultimately comes down to, and can be explained, by this

It might not be you being wrong @Monty13, MA could well be wrong. I am unaware of any club where some shareholders gift the club funds, while other shareholders contribute nothing. If you do know of such clubs please feel free to correct me (genuine question, no inference intended). Bottom line is the club needs his or someone else's money. This means there are ways and means of forcing out minority shareholders. He will be advised of these and will chose the most appropriate. All he needs is patience.

The point is if he believes your first sentence he is delusional, and I don't believe that is the case. If we are to be competive next season someone needs to inject £6m to £10m, and repeat that very season until we go up. He is going to be unwilling to do that if his stake is 40/60/80% if the other 60/40/20% contribute nothing. Sure, other clubs have mixed ownerships but the other shareholders also put their hands in their pockets. Ours don't. He might not walk away but there will be no actual investment either, just more loans until he de facto owns the club.

Oh do give it a rest with your virtue signalling. Claiming to be ambitious as a fan is just facile, you watch 11 men kick a ball that is all. You don't hold them to a higher standard, you just moan a bit more, and show a greater dislike of your fellow spectators than others. Placing yourself on a pedestal is plain delusion. We lost a game which veryone thought we would lose. We hold a position in the Champs that pretty much everyone expected us to hold. Most of us wish is was better, but it is what it is. Get over youself.

Ultimately, it is the difference between equity and loans. As you quite rightly put it with loans MA gets interest and at least theoretically his money back. However, the club has to service these. If they are loaned to cover losses eventually that will not be possible. These will erode the equity in the club until there is nothing left. Should the club go into administration it is unlikely that he will get all the value of the loans returned. If he puts money into the club without increasing his equity stake he is effectively subsidising the minority shareholders. If he increases the stake he is effectively squeezing them out. A large minority holding is effectively unsustainable.

Now you are just being silly, it is clear that you take the money when you can but that doesn't mean you give the player away. There is a value based on ability, potential, length of contract left, competition for signature etc. When you can realise that you do, when the player gets the offer to move up the food chain he takes it. Careers are short.

Good Luck, you do sound sorted

So £110,000,000,000 A year Every Year

Where are you going?

What the PinkUn message board?

5% of what?

You rather prove my point, you are in denial but also a massive minority. There is no doubt the country has gone backwards since 2016 and there is no doubt this is related to related to Brexit. And "major strategic moves" that will "compenstate"? ****ing hell, man. Have you learnt nothing, they don't exist, they never existed, they were a fantasy to fool the gullible. We will have a General Election, kick the Brexiteers out of Parliament and start unpicking this disaster.

We haven't received an offer, and are unlikely to in the window for all the reasons mentioned. But if we are faced with another season in the Champs and we get offered market rate+ it is in everyone's interest to take it.

Not at all, that we have left the EU is accepted. The majority also recognise it has been an unmitigated disaster. There remains a Brexiteer legacy, not least within the Conservative Party and Parliament that continue "going round in your own circle jerk" as you put it, in denial. The GE in 2024 will be the first post-Brexit election and we will sweep these nut jobs out of power and back into the fringes where they belong. Only then can steps start to be taken to fix this mess. The country has moved on, soon the government will, perhaps it is time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.

Keynes wrote "The inactive investor who takes up an obstinate attitude about his holdings and refuses to change his opinion merely because facts and circumstances have changed is the one who in the long run comes to grievous loss." Pretty much majority opinion is that Brexit was a mistake, the cost wasn't worth it and the promises are unfulfilled. That you haven't changed your mind is no surprise. As Swift said Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired.

We can't take money on a rumour. In reality every EPL club will be aware of Rowe but there have been no offers. It doesn't look like there will be much business by anyone, so it is very unlikely there is anything in this atm.

In the modern game you take the money when you can. It may never be on offer again. Buendia has been out injured all season (and in truth never really kicked on before). If that had happened with us he might never have got his £16m contract and we got our £30m+. That said it was a different situation - selling on promotion killed our momentum and led to what followed. We didn't have that momentum when we sold Omo, and we don't know if we have it now. He will stay on that basis, but if we don't go up the Summer is a different ball game.

That is the law of this forum, some get hammered whatever they do, some can get away with absolute howlers. You need the learn who is in which category before you post. Truth is somewhere in between.

A lot of arm chair coaches thinking Sara is playing as a 10 before we have kicked off. All a bit old school. The 11 looks good now and hopefully when we kick off but the point is we will transition through a number of formations. 4231, 451, 343 - none of which necessarily have Sara as a 10.

You must be pleased @Jim Smith. Now we see, fingers crossed you are right.