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Just because there are no "obvious" candidates out there doesn''t mean there are none. I have 4 very senior managers and over 40 middle managers reporting in to me and from time to time some of them need to be replaced because of poor performance. It is very rare that there is a ready made replacement available. However, you put the word out that you are looking for someone; test the water with contacts; place some adverts and get the "head hunters" at work - lo and behold someone always surfaces. For me, we should be testing the water with Peter Taylor; Micky Phelan and George Burley for starters. Always remember that overall more is lost by taking no decisions rather than sometimes making the wrong decison.

[quote]Okay, you make some fair points there. But as a young manager (who, incidentally, many of the fans were against from the start due to his Hamilton connections), Nigel took us from being a club destine...[/quote] I agree that this an articulate, balanced post.  However, my opinion is that we did not perform last season as well as we should have for all the reasons stated. Just one away win would have kept us up - I don''t think the fact that we could not achieve that indicates that we had a good manager, but that''s my opinion which I accept is not universally shared. My fear is that we also massively underperforming this season as well and I don''t see any consistent signs of it being put right and for that reason I would like to see a change of management now, before it is too late to rescue this most important of seasons.

"I don''t think it''s anything to brag about, deciding who was first to jump on the ''sack the manager'' bandwagon" It''s not a question of bragging, rather a question of pointing out that some of us have been concerned about Worthington as a manager for a very long period of time. Concerned about his "man management"; concerned about some of his transfers, in and out; concerned about his seeming lack of coaching skills; concerned about his poor tactics; concerned about his inability to motivate his players at crucial times; concerned about his "blindness" about what is happening on the pitch; concerned about his bloody mindness in persistently picking favoured players etc, etc. My point being that the problems did not start this season, they were apparent even before we got promoted and they were not sorted last season. Now they have come home to roost - big time

All from the man who supposedely creates the "motivational" enviroment that a winning teams needs

He wont walk - unfortunately. And oh, Canary Boy, you flatter yourself if you think you started the "Worthington Out" Campaign - some of us have been saying it since well before the start of last season But welcome to the Club!

I can see it now as the Pro Worthington camp rejoice in the fact that if we had not conceeded 4 goals in the first half we wwould have won tonight

DD...you missed...ENERGY!!

"OK, so what''s the difference between Wigan''s current progress and our season back in the Premiership. Why are they doing so well?" Wigan have Jewell - we have Worthington. It really is that simple.

What can you say? Surely the board will have the courage to do something now???

4-0 down against a team that was 2 leagues below us last season ( How can Worthington justify his position - it is beyond me.

Jewell is a class manager who has proved time and time again that he knows what he is doing - unlike Worthington

Actually, Dicky, the responsibility DOES lie with Worthington for the poor performances this season. In any structured organisation the ultimate responsibility will always lie with the manager. This season we have failed to perform at the expected level for any length of time longer than 45 consecutive minutes and in many instances our performance has been disjointed and ineffective. Team selections, formations and tactics lie squarely at the feet of Worthington. He persists in playing people out of position and he persists in choosing formations that don''t work. As a result, the return in points this season does not equate to the quality of the players at his disposal. You will be aware that I use the word responsibility, not "fault" or "blame". The other word that should be used is that Worthington should be accountable for the results of the team - in any other organisation that I am aware of the senior manager is both responsible and accountable. Given the results last season, and this season, relative to the resource available, then it is highly unlikely Worthington would have kept his job in another environment. If we accept that a manager''s results are not what is expected, then the only saving grace for keeping the person in place would be the demonstration of an upwards trend, or improvement on a previous period. Unfortunately, Worthington''s teams do not produce an improved performance week in week out, instead they stumble from one confused performance to another with only limited signs of any improvement. For that reason Worthington should go before the consequences of his management result in severe long term damage.

"If the penalty had been scored, or if the hadn''t cleared one off the line, or if Doc''s goal had stood, then we would have won." Sorry to say, Dicky, that this season is littered with "ifs" - the problem is that we didn''t actually do any of the things that the "ifs" are about.  Fot that reason we are struggling to have any consistency, or to make an impact. The responsibility fo "iffy" performances lie squarely at Worthington''s door. He simply is not good enough to take this clyb forward.  

So the "Worthington out" movement stirs again, this time on the back of a hugely disappointing home draw. The man is simply the most frustrating manager that we have ever had and it really is time for him to go before he kills off large parts of the fan base with his actions.

For me the really scary thing is that anyone at the match saw that the formation was not working within 10 minuted and yet we persisted with it for 45 mins. Once it was changed we were a differrent team. What is it about Worthington that he continues to make these abysmal slecetions and then persists with them??

I think it was fairly obvious to anyone at the match that the selection/placements in the first half were entirely wrong - Jarrett widw right ffs?? The shame is that it took Worthington 45 mins to change it. As soon as he did we started to gain control of the game. This seeming lack of obvious perception/bloody mindness has to be the biggest worry about W.

This is a pretty pointless thread apart from the posts from Zipper and Plastic. The reason it is pointless is that NCFC and W had no say in whether Saff went to Morocco even if he was injured. Any National Association can pick an injured player for their squad and insist that he travels and is then assessed by the Association''s medical staff as to their fitness.  As pointed out by Zipper, if the Club/Player does not comply then the penalties are severe. In this instance Saffri was picked by his Association, therefore he travelled. He was assessed for fitness and ruled fit to play, so he played and unfortunately got injured, again...that''s it.

This sort of thing happens all the time with many different players at many different Clubs. If we are challenging for the Prem come January then no doubt we will try and negotiate a new contract with Saff. If not, we would be best to sell him so that we don''t end up with a Marshall/Kenton situation. Now, how does that song go..... "There he goes, and there he goes, and there he goes, Youseffs off to Feyeeeeenooooord, There he goes, Morrocean all over the world"

I am Hucks

It has been really scary for a "Worthington Out" person like me to see the support that the players give Worthy.  First it was Safri running to him after scoring, then it was Deano saying what was what in the press and now Hucks - without doubt our most influential player for many, many, a season - sticking up for Nigel. Could I have got wrong about NW when the players seem to be behind him right now

The guy has a quality record  and has been transferred in his career for many millions of £s. Play him as a central striker and he will do well for us

Whilst the obvious choice is Ginge you might like to also consider Hicks who is now back to his scintillating best?

Good for you, Tom. I also believe that Hughes could turn out to be a revelation and will develop a fantastic rapport with the fans. As he finds his feet he will get better and better

My heart says we should do a Hucks, but my head tells me it will be a Crouch. It is not just a case of the transfer fee, it is also a case of the wages that Dav would expect and I doubt we will splash out that much -shame

Forgive me if I am wrong but I fairly certain that W had a bust up with YS last year over the very issue of Ramadan when YS refused to compromise his beliefs. It seems that this year it is being handled in a much more sensitive manner with YS coming right out with what Ramadan is all about to him. Realistically, you cannot expect an athelete to perform if he cannot take on food and water at the correct times before, during and after physical exertion. That being so, subs bench at best would seem the likely outcome.