NewNestCarrow
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16 minutes ago, Lord Horn (again) said:Actually he is a long standing season ticket holder who does lots of careful research - check out his other Lost Norwich videos including the one about Newmarket Road and The Nest. He doesn't take the **** with his use of the George Plunkett Archive as he has the family's permission to use it and as far as I'm aware usually credits this in each of his videos. You obviously haven't got a clue about the guy himself but I don't expect you to respond well to criticism either!
My comments are based on what I see and I make no claim to know him.
I would have thought that a fan would know that the conversion of the South Stand to seats was not from the 1990s (electronic scoreboard? segregation?). Clearly I was wrong.
And as I stated, there is a difference between a clear on-screen credit (every image from "Norfolk County Council") and one buried at the end (Plunkett).
If I had messed up dates (or just used online materials without diligent checking) I would insert a correction or edit the video. Mr Atken's response is to point to the things he got right!
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2 minutes ago, shefcanary said:The first South Stand cover I remember reading as being supported by the supporters club. As said above the seating was originally installed in 1974/75, before complete replacement in this century when it was effectively condemned by the local authority. The cost of the floodlights in the '50's that nearly broke the club and the wider role of key figures in the saving of the club is worthy of a video itself. No mention of Reeves' sale funding the River End, or Captain Barclay's support of the cover at what became "his" stand. Thus the development of the ground generally has been funded by fans.
I hate to be too critical, because this is a fan's perspective on things. A nice start, but as a piece on local social history and heritage, there is a much, much bigger story to tell. This barely scratches the surface. I look forward to an Attanasio driven piece on the history of the club in a few years time.
The guy is clearly not a football fan.
He does a good job of editing & presenting but - IMO - is taking the **** with his liberal use of the George Plunkett library (gives Norolk Records Office an on-screen credit but not Plunkett) and his research is not all it could be.
Plus, looking at the comments, he LOVES praise but doesn't respond well to criticism!
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1 hour ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:I've just tried to verify this figure and £75000 is actually the fee that Rugby Championship clubs will get next year from the broadcaster Premier Sports to screen rugby games. I think Essex Canary and/or Sunderland Echo might have their wires crossed completely.
Forever trying to fit a square argument into a round hole
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35 minutes ago, essex canary said:Not sure where you get your 2018/19 figure from since the entry in that year's accounts (from doubtless a slightly lower price base) was £9.351 million.
It would be interesting to know how the new EFL shakes down relative to the loss of Canaries TV.
£8.4m (base sum) + live games fees = £9.351m
My point was that the figure for non-PL tv income is hardly newsworthy.
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2 hours ago, essex canary said:The attached is interesting plus goes on to say that Clubs receive £75,000 for each televised game.
It is widely reported that the Home side gets a substantially bigger fee for live games than the visitors, so your Sunderland Echo figure ("£75,000 to both home & away") is unlikely to be accurate.
If you had looked at the 2018/19 accounts you would have seen that Non-PL tv income was around £8.4m.
From August 2024 the new EFL tv deal is "a 50% increase on the value of the current rights agreement", but the split of cash among the clubs is unlikely to guarantee that all will benefit to the same percentage.
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45 minutes ago, essex canary said:Try the Sheffield United match below or numerous others around the same time.
Once you include Directors (+ guests), players (+ guests), other football people (scouts) and Press I can easily see 200 comps being allocated for each and every match.
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59 minutes ago, Ulfotto said:Really only £15 natively I thought 27000 paying a average of £30 plus the tv bonus plus money made on drinks and food.
How do I get casual tickets at £15!!
Be under-17.
EFL are not obliged to pay any TV fee for PO Semi-Finals.
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38 minutes ago, Ulfotto said:The joke is that one play off match at Carrow Road would gross over a million quid enough to secure a loan signing or two.
As ticketing income last season averaged out at just £15 per-fan per-match, your £1m figure would require some horrific price increases
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"According to their forum, they beat up a few of our lot on the way to the ground from the Townhouse pub. No coppers around."
"...looked like Ipswich fans were able to walk all the way from the town house pub, past the fat cat and canary (presumably full of Norwich fans) and to Carrow Road before seeing a police officer…"
There is zero truth to either of these.
Police escorted their fans from the Town House and took them on a detour (Teleraph La/Cotman?) to avoid walking past the FC & C.
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1 hour ago, essex canary said:That is because many people have forgotten, the Club doesn't remind them in these messages and they end up paying when they shouldn't alongside the confusion the Club have created on the away issue. The other alternative is to withdraw it completely or the compromise not transferable as for the seat issue.
No, no, and NO.
The vast majority of new share purchasers saw this as an altruistic transaction, and had no interest in any ROI.
Your constant & continued push for personal gain (at the expense of the football club you claim to support) marks you out as truly one-of-a-kind.
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31 minutes ago, Darth Vadis said:Not sure I realised quite how much money there is in MLB - their top player is paid $26m per year?! The rest of these salaries are not cheap either... Can someone who knows more about baseball confirm this? That seems mental
To balance things out all young players start on a three-year 'rookie contract', which can be fixed as low as just $14,000 per week. Only the very best get improved deals in the first three years.
Meanwhile minor league players (where young players gain experience) are paid peanuts, the minimum being just $1,200 per week
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The salaries for this year's MLB (baseball) teams are now being picked over.
The Milwaukee Brewers are in the bottom third of payroll, somewhere between 20th-24th on the list (out of 30). They are spending less than they did in 2023, 2022, 2019, 2015 & 2014.
They have only one player whose salary is in the top 100 in the league (Yelich) and the ESPN piece ranks them among the "Cheap and should spend more" category.
"The Brewers are entering the season with their weakest roster in years and project to have a lower CBT [in short, their salary cap] than each of the previous two seasons even after guaranteeing $72 million in free agency and locking up top prospect Jackson Chourio..."
Maybe MA is saving his dimes so he can spend $150,000,000 building a new Main Stand at Carrow Road ..... 😀
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1 minute ago, Davidlingfield said:The last bit is certainly false. Stuart joined in May 2017 and Zoe didn’t join until Autumn 2017.
She was a consultant under McNally, and she left prior to his departure in May 2016.
I have no idea who reported what but these are the facts.
I have named (a few of) the outlets that reported Zoe's restart at Norwich as being early 2017 - specifically, pre-Stuart.
What evidence do you have to contradict this version?
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5 hours ago, Davidlingfield said:Nope. She was never an employee until after Stuart joined.
If you are sticking to your position then you are suggesting that Archant, Michael Bailey and the Financial Times (to name just a few) have been printing untruths regarding Zoe's timeline as an NCFC employee.
She was a 'consultant' under McNally; went off and had a child, and returned to NCFC in early 2017.
Which bit of this do you say is false?
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Two points:
1 - Let's hope this MoU is taken more seriously than the one with the Supporters' Trust (e.g. lack of consultation re the Membership scheme)
2 - I wonder if some of the proceeds of the (Old) Trust shares sale should have been diverted to the Historical side of the club?
The history of NCFC is vitally important and we need custodians to maintain facts & keep artefacts in a safe place.
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13 minutes ago, RobJames said:I cannot recall any youth player being allowed to leave before he has been established in the first team - other than those thought 'not up to it'.
There is also the no small matter the contribution former youth players make to the team when they step up. Not to be sneezed at, some might suggest.
Plenty of players have moved on from NCFC because their route to the first team was blocked. We can start with Mumba and then go onto Earley, Morris, Famewo, Toffolo, McGeehan, Matthews, Oxborough & Joe Lewis.
It isn't just about talent, it is about how pushy players are for progress, or a logjam in their position ahead of them, or any number of other factors (see Andrew Omobamidele)
Selling Academy players is a very efficient fiscal exercise, and we need to be better at generating funds from the likes of Toffolo.
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Hills - born March 2004, contract 2025 +1. 40+ games of senior football under his belt. Worn the Captain's armband on two occasions, clearly a sign of leadership qualities & his growth this season.
Warner - born Oct 2002, contract 2025. Fewer than 10 games of senior football under his belt.
Tomkinson - born Apr 2002, contract 2025 +1. 25+ games of senior football under his belt, but playing for USA u23s at Olympics this summer. Did struggle to break into the Bradford side but seeming a first-choice now that Sparky has gone.
Adegboyega - born Sep 2003, contract ??. Fewer than 10 games of senior football under his belt.
In my view I think Hills & Tomkinson are the two closest to the NCFC senior squad, with Warner & Adegboyea going out on loan again. However the Academy system is there to produce financial benefits and, if a decent offer comes in for any of these four then the Depth Chart changes.
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18 minutes ago, NewNestCarrow said:I can only see one person who is being desperate & sour.
In the last 30 years how many good seasons have ITFC enjoyed?
My apologies for taking Binner-Bait.
I really should have known better.
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2 hours ago, Yella said:Sad to see so many fellow yellas clutching on hope it all goes wrong over in Suffolk. They clearly have some very astute businessmen over there doing a sterling job. Rather than our own global business experts on here trying to pick holes we should be hoping we can het similar investment and management try build a similarly glorious history.
We come across as a bit envious, desperate and sour. It's a shame, we're better than this.
I can only see one person who is being desperate & sour.
In the last 30 years how many good seasons have ITFC enjoyed?
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3 hours ago, Thingy said:Here's a video of the Carrow Road site. The listed building is at the end of the video. There's plenty space for a stadium. It could even go lengthways alongside the river.
Here is the plan of how the Carrow Works site was going to be redeveloped, with the bits in blue being retained. Also note the big yellow square. That is a Scheduled Monument that will need to be left intact.
And here is how the site is imagined once it has been redeveloped
In short, Good Luck getting permission to build a football stadium on top of one of England's 200 most-important archaeological sites.
As for Anglia Square, what makes you think that the City of Norwich has enough spare cash to gift a £10m asset to an American multi-millionaire? And, if this were to happen, what do you think the fiscally hard-pressed voters of Norwich would say when the next local election rolled around?
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28 minutes ago, shefcanary said:Wow, @repman, thanks for that link, that really is a very illuminating interview.
I've wondered who made up the 17% of US individuals and corporates, so it probably points to the Brewers company being one of those corporates (and who is this Giannis Antetokounmpo bloke the interviewer mentions as being a part of the Brewers "ownership group"). As I've mentioned before getting to the bottom of who owns the 17% in Norfolk (the US doesn't have a UK Companies House which provides transparency to corporate ownership) and verifying that they are in it for the right reasons is definitely going to take up a lot of the EFL's time, especially seeing what agreements are in place between Attanasio and them. But then he goes on to mention the Caroline Mudcats, the Maryvale and Dominican Republic academies. Boy, that's a tangled web, before you start to add in the prospect of some Australians!! So, yes, absolutely it will take time for the EFL to get to the bottom of it.
But the rest of the article reveals a bit more in his thinking as well. As I thought, the sporting investments he has made do seem to be something he hands on to his two sons - it seems Mike is more interested in Norwich than Dan for instance (probably because Soccer data is much more difficult than baseball data to impact the game).
Then is the fact they spent $60m on the Maryvale stadium! Good news for the Carra'. The article also mentions the BCF (I would guess at this acronym standing for Brewers Charitable Foundation) which has shared out $55m to the local community. Think what that level of support could give to Norfolk's community.
I liked this quote when he discussed what the Brewers could learn from Norwich; "the guys on the soccer pitch run four miles a game. Our guys will get tired jogging down to first base (laughs)."
But a great read, albeit non-critical in the way it covered the difficulties of the roster at the Brewers but allowed Attanasio to answer the criticism.
I keep flip-flopping with his involvement, but that read has got me excited again. Come on EFL, make your bloody mind up so we can move this shebang on.
As Attanasio is Principal Owner of the Brewers how would this change anything? (all the share documentation listed the US postal address of Norfolk as the Brewers' stadium!)
The Brewers spent $60m on the training complex but that is not the whole story. They will recoup some $35m via operating payments from the city of Phoenix ($1.4m pa x 25) and the stadium also got $15.7m in other renovation contributions from the city & state of Arizona.
Add this to the recent renovation deal for Brewers' home ballpark [public spend 75% / Brewers spend 25%] and it clearly shows that rich men would prefer to spend our cash rather than their own.
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10 minutes ago, shefcanary said:FTW, Attanasio mentioned the Australian interest at the AGM and that is why I always say "Attanasio et al" when discussing future plans and investments. But yes, details about this Australian interest were non-existent and could again be the source of the EFL decision taking longer than we expected (on top of them trying to bottom the other 17% of interest in Attanasio's acquisition vehicle Norfolk - the so called rich individuals and corporates).
So if Attanasio does get the nod, one would hope the Pink'Un boys get to the bottom of who exactly is financing Attanasio and what they see their role as? Is the Australian interest purely a short to medium term financial interest, or are they also keen to get involved long-term with the management of the club?
Attanasio seems a man with a fairly conservative financial head, so it is not that disconcerting that he aims to spread the risk, but one would assume this is only for the short to medium term and once he has had a few years experience of running things, he will slowly buy out the "et al" part of the investment arm. But, who knows ...?
The evidence from the US is that having a group of investors is just a way of spreading the financial risk / allowing friends & associates to board the gravy train. And twenty years after taking over the Brewers Attanasio is not known to have increased his share at all, indeed, three years ago a 17th investor was added.
MA doesn't 'run' the Brewers, or the Admirals, and so I doubt his hands-on involvement with NCFC will ever be much greater than it currently is.
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10 hours ago, Mr.Carrow said:Of all our CB talent, he's the one (like Omo before him) who ticks every box. Tomkinson's form is encouraging, but he's got a lot to prove being older and not really having the physical attributes of Adegboyega. Similar with Warner.
Adegboyega's lack of English League experience is what puts him below Hills, Tomkinson & Warner on my list. Going from Lge of Ire to Champs with just 20 fourth-tier appearances under his belt is a big ol' jump.
And, if we are seriously thinking that McLean can be a CB in the Champs, then being a unit is clearly less important than the old days!
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51 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:But we neglected that in Farke’s last Prem campaign and the subsequent Championship campaigns under Smith (bar Rowe) and Wagner. Matos should’ve been playing under Smith, and then Aboh following on.
So you believe that Matos - who today is not holding down a place in a relegation-threatened Hudds side - should, 18 months ago, have been given a place in our promotion-seeking squad?
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Carrow Road Beginnings
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Might that have been Club 101?
IFIRC it was a posh seat, with a standalone bar, for an above-ST cost. [Associate Director, version 1.0?] Not sure if it was ever redeemable ('bond') though.