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  1. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    Scarves for away games needs to start back up again too. Now Smith is gone, we all need to coalesce together and bring back the magic that made those Farke days so special. Obviously this starts with the players and performances on the pitch improving.... BUT it was more than just Farke, and we had a huge part in a really special time for the club....

    This is a real crossroads for the club, and we, as fans, have chance to seize the narrative and change the dynamics. Easier for the players to play better if they can mentally demarcate what has gone before and the present and all they see for the rest of the season is a cacophonous support that is fully behind them. A total sea change in our attitude as fans to kick the apathy away and really get behind the lads will certainly not have any negative impact. It's time for a call to arms from ACN etc to really get the mojo back.

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  2. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    2 hours ago, Pyro Pete said:

    Contact Along Come Norwich.

    I'm sure they'd appreciate the help.

    There was an interview on Pinkun Podcast I think (I've had to do 4 hours driving today), and whoever was interviewed said the flags had stopped because of a lack of volunteers to help support it and general apathy around it, but there'd already been an uptick in interest since Smith was sacked so they're hoping to get the atmosphere etc back. I really hope it pans out.

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    2 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

    A couple of hours ago City Elite on their Facebook page have stated they have exciting news to announce shortly so i expect the club in an attempt to repair relations with fans and improve the atmosphere may well be letting the drum in the ground.

    If they want to improve the atmosphere and repair relations with the fans, surely a lifetime ban for the drum is a more effective option

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  4. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    I wouldn't have an issue with Wagner. Wouldn't be my number one, but infinitely better than a Parker or a Dyche or similar that we could easily end up with.

    Clear identity, understands the model and more importantly the footballing philosophy of the club. Is available, probably would come here without much persuasion and worked well with Webber previously. Has the "experience" of the league that some people require. On paper, a very sensible option that would tick most of the boxes. Would be a massive upgrade on Smith for sure.

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  5. Posted

    9 hours ago, Mr. Raumdeuter III said:

    I’ve just been researching his tactics after seeing this post earlier. 
    Seoane teams are attacking, and then some.

    Found a cool video that breaks down his style. I’m on board. This is what I want to see at Norwich City. 

     

    Seoane looks like exactly the type of guy who should be right at the top of our shortlist. Clear style, good pedigree.

    Fluent in 6 languages including Spanish and portugese which could be useful with South America becoming an important recruitment market for us moving forward.

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    2 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    Let's see where we are at the end of the season. Fingers crossed you're not as stupid as I think you are.

    Good, shut up was the right option when you've got nothing to support your ludicrous assertions. If we're above midtable at the end of the season, then that's progress above where Smith was taking us.

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    2 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    Yellow Boris? Eh? You're more of a Farage, what with selected use of facts to make an argument. For example, it's a fact that members of the European Parliament were arrested for money-laundering by the Belgian authorities, which 'proves', by Occam's razor, that leaving the EU was a good thing according to your philosophy on 'facts' and determining a fair view, as opposed to constructing an argument...

    That doesn't even make sense.

    I've asked you what facts I'm missing, you can't give me a single one. Not one.

    I build my opinions based on facts. I've outlined very clearly what my opinion is and why I think it. You have repeatedly attacked it with no explanation or counter.

    Either put up or shut up, it's boring.

    I'm happy to listen to your opinion, the "facts" that support it and discuss reasonably. I'm not prepared to sit here listening to you whine about me being wrong with literally nothing to support or substantiate your assertion. 

    But we all know you won't offer any facts, as you have no interest in sensible debate, just a bizarre attention seeking crusade to disagree with everybody else in the room. 

    Again, happy to discuss with you if you do want to discuss, but either put up something worth discussing, or shut up.

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    3 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    They're all over this forum as you know full well.  If we finish up worse off this season from this, I hope you can finally show a bit of humility, although I'm sure you won't.

    I havent seen them. Ive asked you several times to point them out, but you wont for no clear reason. Little yellow Boris.

    Worse off than what? We're 20th in the form table over the last 13 games (about 30% of the season) and have been playing turgid hoofball with no plan for 12 months now. We weren't doing anything except slipping to midtable obscurity under Smith so unless we get relegated, how will it be worse?

    Maybe you should show some humility and realise that Occam's razor suggests that your isolated viewpoint might not be right?

  11. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    1 minute ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    You should use all the facts to create an honest picture. What you're doing is the stuff of lawyers and politicians.

    What facts am I missing? I'm very open to hearing what you have to say, you just don't actually say anything at all. Youve offered nothing to support any alternative viewpoint, just attacked mine... politicians you say... 🤔

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  12. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    4 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    They're individual facts in isolation picked to construct your own narrative to discount giving him any credit for anything. As actual arguments they're worthless.

    So they are facts then?

    So we shouldn't use facts to construct a narrative but instead should just ignore the facts, not use them to form opinions and not have an opinion at all unless it's one you agree with?

    Glad we've cleared that up. Bizarre.

    On a related note, I've looked up how Brentford fans reacted when he left... pretty much they liked him as a bloke, thought he was limited and didn't care one way or another and were happy to just trust their structure as they didnt see smith as being essential to progress... almost like he was a beneficiary of their recruitment team and structure or something... where have I heard that before?

    https://griffinpark.org/forums/threads/dean-smith-unattached.130937/

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    4 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    I'm not defending him; I'm criticising you for unjust and unsubstantiated attacks on him stated like they're facts rather than your own jaundiced opinion.

    What is unjust?

    I have stated facts.

    Brentford have one of, if not the best recruitment teams in UK football.... fact

    Brentford shot up the table/leagues after Smith left and Frank took over... fact

    Villa had one of the best squads ever in the championship... fact

    He spent 200 million but they still only stayed up because of a dodgy no-award of a goal that had crossed the line... fact

    So again, which bit do you disagree with? Which bit is my "jaundiced opinion"? Which bit is an "unsubstantiated attack"? Please highlight it very clearly, because at the moment, you look like you're on some bizarre Trumpian crusade to come up with alternate facts

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  14. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

    Ah sorry, gotcha.

    RE Warburton, before being appointed Brentford Manager he was heavily involved with their recruitment. So a sound argument to say he benefitted from his own previous work. 

     

    Didn't realise that, thanks 👍

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    2 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    It really is laughable how this guff is repeated again and again like it's irrefutable fact even after he has been sacked. Most Brentford fans are highly respectful of what Smith did for them. You've no right to trash talk his achievements elsewhere, pretending you've closely followed  his career elsewhere, after he has been sacked according to your wishes just because you've got your wish and suddenly you realise you can end up looking like idiots that should have just supported and left decision-making to others.

    We'll finish up with whoever is available and willing to take the job.

    What has Smith got over you that your obsessively defending him?

    The football was ****. He failed to keep us up. He had one good run of 10 games and then the wheels fell off. No system, no formation, no clue.

    At Brentford, he left, they got a proper coach and shot up the league. At villa, he had a good 10 game spell to get them up with probably the best squad thats ever been in the championship, he then spent 200 million and scraped staying up by virtue of the goal line system failing and not awarding a clear goal. He left, they shot up the league.

    Why exactly would anybody want Smith to be Norwich manager at this point? You seem very vocal saying we're wrong for wanting rid of the useless dinosaur but can't seem to explain why.

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    9 minutes ago, Tommo said:

    In the case of Smith, many journalists and fans (including myself) thought that he was the right appointment. Hindsight is such a wonderful thing isn’t it.

    Many others including myself had to really talk ourselves into any kind of enthusiasm for Smith because it felt like abjectedly the wrong appointment. No hindsight needed on that one.

    I'm in total agreement with you on most of what you say, I just think "experience of prem or champs" is essentially a synonym for failure somewhere else. I want somebody who is on the the upward trajectory of their career, not the the downward slope. I'm not bothered what League they come from.

    Look at the scum, couldn't get out of League 1 with "experienced" and seemingly good for their level appointments but now flying high with a guy who has no experience of being a first team manager, let alone experience of the league - he had only ever managed spurs and man utd u18 teams before and was an assistant to mourinho. That's "experience" I would get behind, rather than a championship retread. Speaking of which, we could do a lot worse than poach McKenna off the scum....

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    4 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

    He didn’t though. This was a common misconception when Smith was appointed, even the Archant journos ran with it - which used to irritate me as it wasn’t factual.

    Warburton turned Brentford into the championship force they were… under Smith they stagnated around mid table, before improving once Frank took over. 

    As for Villa, yes that’s true. But look at the squad! Smith wasn’t the championship guru many made him out to be. 

    Sorry, my reply re: Smith was steeped in sarcasm - that was the point I was making, experience isn't important. I agree entirely with what you say, Smith benefitted from Brentford having imo pound for pound the best recruitment department in UK football, and villas wealth of riches at champs level. Look how far Brentford have come since the guy with "experience" of English football left, and they appointed a decent foreign coach.

    I disagree on Warburton, I think he was also benefactor of that recruitment department.

  18. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    Robins has done well the last few years but he's had some pretty unsuccessful stints everywhere he's been for 10 years prior to the last 3. Never managed a club with anything close to our budget or our calibre of players. His teams have historically faded and ended seasons with a bad run of form to miss out on promotion. He's as much of a gamble as a South American coach.

    You say "after the last appointment" we need someone with experience in English Leagues, preferably champs or prem... maybe like someone who managed Walsall and kept them up in league 1 after taking over when they were 9 points adrift, took over at Brentford and turned them into the championship's "entertainers", before moving to villa where he took them up through the playoffs after 10 consecutive wins and then kept them up in the prem...?

    Experience of any specific league doesnt mean very much. The coach is either good enough or they're not. Playing style is a far bigger concern for me.

  19. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    Don't think champs or prem experience is requisite, at least not for me.

    Lambert, Farke, Neil all took us up with no experience of managing in the champs or the prem. Obvious flaw in my argument is only Lambert kept us up with any level of success, but you have to get up there to stay up there.

    I dont want Parker, Dyche, Wilder etc, and don't think Robins or Hassenhutl would be bad choices at all, I dont think they are the only options though. I'd rather be looking abroad. Even with the constraints of Brexit, there are great coaches available, Celtic plucked Postecoglou from Japan for example.

  20. Posted · Edited by kick it off

    One of my mates knows a family member of someone within the club and has done for a number of years.

    Family member told him 12 months ago that they didn't expect webber to still be there in 18months. Unclear if that was idle speculation based on an educated guess or whether it came from inside knowledge. Either way, seems like they at least don't expect to see him here next season.

  22. Posted

    Just now, KeiranShikari said:

    I also hope so but I don't agree that he's similar to Smith in style. Dyche had a style at Burnley, Smith had nothing here.

    My gut feeling is that we'll take a step back and move towards a more technical style of play.

    Dyche's style is hoofball. It's a no from me

  24. Posted

    Absolutely no. What's the point jumping from one manager who serves up turgid **** Football, to another who serves up the same.

    We went 4 consecutive games under Hughton without a shot on target. 4 games.

    I know things are bad with Smith, but at least his tenure is ending. Starting another round of this **** with Hughton does nobody any good. Can you stomach another 18 months of this rubbish?

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