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    stoke away!!!!!!!!

    I live in the midlands - so will be taking a couple of hours on the train to get there... Good luck getting a lift Shy, if you do make it, i''d be more than happy to buy you a pint...just to show there are no hard feelings.Party!!! [<:o)]
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    stoke away!!!!!!!!

    I read in another thread that you were going to the game on Sat, I shall also be in attendance as long as there are tickets on the gate, (the ticket office told me it was too late to post them?!) so was just wondering if you fancy a pint before the game?
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    England: Outside looking in.

    Without Britains involvement the Yanks would never have been there to help save your "treasured" nation (a nation that failed to reward its own people) - whatever way you try & dress it up, the Americans were penultimate to the cause.

    Minus British intelligence and the sheer tenacity of British men & women plus a hefty loan from America that we''ve only just finished paying back, your "treasured" nation (that still fails to reward its own people) would''ve been a Germanic state since way back then.

    And a question to Mello who put Polish pilots of Spitfires & Hurricanes  on some kind of pedestal -- who constructed them?

     



    Right, to start with, Im unsure on your point about rewarding our own people? We lost 40% of our economy (as opposed to britains 0.6%) and then suffered 45 years at the hands of Stalin, after your "precious country" divided us up and handed us out!! so if you meant economically - it has taken us 15years to get back on our feet again. Of course if you mean in terms of medals, then A) You should have made your point clearer, and B) We lost 6million people, and then were taken by the soviets - i don''t think medals were of utmost importance, more surviving the regime took precedence i feel. and yeah we have had 15years, but we are only just getting ourselves sorted out, whilst we have made some efforts,  im sure all those deserving will be honoured in some way.

    Your spitfire construction point is correct. However i think you will find - that we were constructing the Best anti-tank guns in the world at that time - which did more damage to the Nazis in the first advances in 1939 than the allies combined managed to inflict in the whole of 1940!!

    Agreed Yankee, if you look back i have tried a couple of times to diffuse the situation, or call the topic to a close, but some people just cant drop the subject....Then again - i am in "their" country, eating their food, taking their jobs, dodging my taxes, burdening the economy and suchlike.
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    England: Outside looking in.

    [quote user="Snuggles"]

    [quote user="kick it off"]I concur, no-one came out of the war looking rosy, and each country has its own version of what happened, the truth as always, lies somewhere in the middle.[/quote]

    This is an example of moral relativism, the curse of our time. Churchill, Hitler, Hitler, Churchill, who''s the goodie, who''s the baddie, depends who you listen to really. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, probably.

    By the way you didn''t answer my question about America''s role in liberating Poland.

     

    [/quote]

    Sorry snuggles, only just hit back on this thread - My grandfather was taken as a POW and incarcerated in Mauthausen in Austria, along with thousands of other innocent Poles, which was liberated by the American troops, and it was them fighting on the West which forced Germany to face a war on two fronts. This allowed the Soviets to advance and take the Poland. It was mainly the success of the American led operation cobra at the D-day  landings which allowed the Americans to fan out into a broad front and sweep through Europe whilst the Soviets came from the East, dividing Hitler''s forces and freeing Poland from Hitler''s forces. (Only for them to be taken over by the Soviets!). Yes before it comes back at me, i am fully aware that the British were a major part of the D-day landings, and that is fully appreciated. The point I am making is that it was mainly the Americans wgho advanced through France and Belgium and into Germany.
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    Pattison on a permanent?

    His Newc contract is up in the summer....so a nominal fee i guess, i think he''d come here over other champ clubs regardless of position because he clearly has a lot of respect for Roeder and gets on well with him, but what happens if he keeps playing like he did on Sat and Prem clubs come sniffing?
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    Pattison on a permanent?

    Sorry if this has already been mentioned, couldn''t find it anywhere but the boy wants to move here full time....Sign him up!!http://new.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/Sport/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=Sport&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=Sport&itemid=NOED26%20Nov%202007%2011%3A10%3A19%3A787
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    World Cup Qualifiers

    [quote user="HUDDY "]

    Interesting draw

    Despite the recent Euro results i think Croatia was one of the best draws we could have got from pot 1, with maybe the exception of Greece. A chance for revenge. Ukraine is potentially tricky, but Scotland finished ahead of them for a reason, i''f have prefereed the likes of Finland, Belgiam, Norway from that pot. We seemed to have avoided any banana skins in the other pots with Belarus (Hleb only), Kazhakstan (Borat?!!) and Andorra weak!

    Pot 1, 7 and 8 were probably well missed, the pot 2 sides probably not relishing being in those groups.

    Pot 2 looks the easiest. How do Izrael go from finsihing 4th in our group to becoming 2nd seeds and then get drawn in such a weak group. Greece, Switzerland and 3 minnows!

    N Ireland and worthy can be reasonably happy, Germany asside there are no real strong sides, Poland are certainly beatable, San Marino are attrocious and despite being cometative enoughthe slovaks and slovenians should be beatable.

    Scotland should fancy their chances of a top 2 finish, no real minnows but Norway, Iceland and Macedonia shouldnt trouble them.

    [/quote]They''ll be even happier having actually got Czech Republic and not Germany then!!! San Marino, Slovenia and Slovakia are all weak, but complacency must not be an issue against these teams as they are not so weak they can''t exact an upset. From a Polish stance, it is a good group, NI are very much beatable, the ones we should be worried about are the Czechs, bit of a local derby going on there. Should be an interesting campaign. Maybe you can exact some revenge on the Croatians!! You appear to have a relatively easy group - Kazakhstan were in our group for Euro quali''s and are truly shocking away from home but it is a difficult place to visit - we stuggled and beat them 1-0 away and i''m fairly sure Portugal did the same. At home we were 1-0 down with 60 on the clock, but came back to beat them 3-1. Ukraine are weak at the moment and whilst i wouldnt have fancied drawing them 3 or 4 years ago, they are in decline at the moment with Shevchenko losing form and growing older. Belarus are a fairly poor side but are a potential banana skin as they are no mugs and have secured some good results in recent years.Anyway, Good luck for the campaign and i look forward a potential Poland Englad tie in SA!!!!
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    England: Outside looking in.

    Desi - i did enjoy that article, thank you for the link.I concur, no-one came out of the war looking rosy, and each country has its own version of what happened, the truth as always, lies somewhere in the middle.I was referring to Yalta, but also to Teheran - both of which were stitch-ups on a grand scale!anyway - back on to point - good luck on qualification for 2010 - the draw is taking place as we speak so i am off to see who we get, It won''t be England though as we are in the same pot!! I''m sure the FA will get the right man this time - they can''t afford to settle for second best this time - much the same as Norwich couldnt!
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    England: Outside looking in.

    [quote user=" Desi Rascall"]

    [quote user=" Desi Rascall"]i thought the russians stitched up the polish home army during the war?[/quote]

    I mean that to claim the country that secretly conspired with the Nazi''s to Carve up Poland under the Ribon Troppe-Moltke Pact;Then launched a joint invasion;then carried out the katynn massacre;then delayed its advance to allow the Nazi''s to crush the Nationalist movement;then occupied and imprisoned said countries leaders and academics and ecconomically starved the country for fourty years is stretching the definition of "saving a country" imho.

     

    [/quote]

    Sounds like you are quite knowlegdeable on this topic, and i applaud you on that fact.However, as you clearly know your stuff, there are a few bits you have missed out.....such as the fact Britain and the allies agreed to let Russia keep Poland, The fact that Britain told Poland not to mobilise troops against Hitler''s advances in the first instance of invasion, The fact that Polish troops took 12% of the German aircraft down at the battle of Britain.... Dont get me wrong - i, and all Polish people appreciate what the British did for us during the war, but to claim Britain saved us in the war, is surely incorrect in light of these facts?Yeah the Russians were sly, and terrifying, but it''s hardly like i''m putting them on a pedastal, I said that Soviet troops drove the Nazi''s out of Poland, which is fairly accurate, obviously the Polish resistance etc helped but it was mainly the Russians. I obviously am not best pleased about the 40years of oppression and terror they subjected us to, I was illustrating a point that Britain didnt save us in the war, maybe again, i did not make this clear.interesting article if anyone is interested, can be found here: http://www.kasprzyk.demon.co.uk/www/history/WW2.html
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    England: Outside looking in.

    I am fully aware of my country''s history - my point was England didnt "save us" in the war.....The Russians and Americans did.I fully appreciate we weren''t the reason either country joined the war....but that doesn''t change the fact it was the advancing Russians that sent the Nazi''s packing from Poland.I also have the utmost respect for the British forces, past and present, and you''re right, maybe my post didn''t make it clear enough, but trust me, the whole Polish nation appreciates that you went to war for us and are grateful for the efforts of the British forces!!As for my "beloved" Russians.....I do not tar this generation with their predeccessor''s brushes. The USSR put us through absolute horrors, and if you ever visit Poland, I would advise a trip to the Gdansk shipyard museum to see the place where the fall of communism started. If it wasn''t for the bravery of Lech Walesa and the other dockers, we would have been subjected to god knows how many more years of it. It just doesn''t bear thinking about.But whilst we suffered for a very long time, its been nearly 20years since the USSR fell - you cannot just keep hating a country indefinitely!
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    England: Outside looking in.

    That and Vodka!! ;) (common misconception is it is Russian invention but originated from Poland!)
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    England: Outside looking in.

    Inferiority complex? i don''t think so - yeah we have never performed well against the English. This is nothing something to be ashamed of - many teams have been outperformed by England - although not so many to the level we have. We have 40million people in Poland, but we do not have the money in football for development, i think the first TV deal for the Ekstrakalasa (Polish top flight) was 2004/2005.Hence the Bundesliga take all the best Polish players, and some Judas''s then take German citizenship and play for the German national side! Miroslav Klose for one!! not that i blame him, Germany have a much better chance of winning anything than we do. I''m just happy after putting up with lacklustre Polish teams for so many years that we finally have one who play decent football and have a good chance of at least giving the Euro''s a decent shot and putting in a half decent performance in an tournament.I am bored of this turning into England Poland debate. I am proud to be Polish and I hope other fellow city fans can be pleased for me after the performance my country put in during qualifying, irrelevant of how your country have done, or how many times you have beaten us over the years!!I was merely offering my viewpoint, i didnt mean to inflame anyone, or wind them up....apologies if i have! (with the exception of the post directed at BlyBly - which was retaliatory!!)I''m sure you will get a decent manager in and hopefully a restructure at the FA and within the squad will allow you to mount a decent challenge for 2010!!Good luck!!
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    Protest Postponed

    [quote user="yella belly"]

    I don''t see why you want to protest against delia and the board! If it wasnt for delia putting millions of HER OWN money into the club we would already be in league 1! So just grow up and SUPPORT the club not protest about anything you can think of to do with Norwich City Football Club!

    [/quote]Delia DID NOT save us. the legendary Geoffrey Watling did. and in his will, he wrote off all money that the club owed him, can you see your precious Delia having that clause in her will? No, so you think she''ll sell all her shares for nothing do you? NO, so how exactly is she going to lose out? How is it that shes put millions in with no hope of return? oh wait, she hasn''t....Millions of her own money - THAT SHE''LL GET BACK when she finally sells up and gets the hell out.....If it wasn''t for her throwing the club''s money at the hotel and her restaurant, then we might still be in the PREMIER LEAGUE!!!I will always support the club and don''t support the protests, but i respect their reasons for it. They are supporting the club by wanting what''s best for NCFC and not letting the cook get away with prudence without ambition. 14years ago we were 3rd in the premier league, a year later we were beating Bayern Munich at the Olympic Stadium. Now we are languishing in the lower reaches of the second tier of English football. 3years ago we were back in the Prem. We may be small and provincial, but we have more supporters than most of this division, and some of the prem.
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    England: Outside looking in.

    I''m fairly sure we all know that Poland haven''t performed against England for the last 35years.However - if the teams were to play each other now, i would fancy a Polish victory.especialy with Eby Smolarek in the form he is in at the moment.but if you''d like to play that game Bly, could you tell us whether England qualified for Euro2008 and whether Poland did?I''m sure you know.Thanks.
  15. just read the first post i made in this thread and pologies - that was out of order, and gloating. I napologise profusely for that and hope that others don''t find it indicative of my nature!
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    England: Outside looking in.

    [quote user="Feathers"]

    Kick it Off,

    I''d say absolutely you''re right, particularly about the press, they have a lot to answer for. Especially tabloids like THE SUN. I remember France 1998 when England ''fans'' made me feel so ashamed with their behaviour. The next day the Sun called them "thugs" etc, yet I can guarantee it was that ''newspaper'' that they all read in first place, and where they got their bigoted xenephobic attitudes from.

    It''s not just in sport these newpapers have screwed things up, it''s done a lot of social damage too, helping turn a great deal of people in this country into dribbling knee-jerk morons. I''m not saying all Sun readers are like this, but if it''s your only source of information I''d imagine your world view is pretty shafted.

    Welcome to England by the way, I hope not too many idiots have given you a hard time for being a pole. 

    [/quote]lol by the way, thanks for the welcome but ive been here for a long time!! idiots have always given me a hard time for being a pole - "we saved you in the war" etc - well actually, no, i think you''ll find a combined effort of the americans and the russians drove the Nazis out of poland - and thats no dis-respect to British servicemen by the way - the contribution they gave in both wars was fantastic and i have nothing but the utmost respect for soldiers past and present.Another i commonly get is "F**k off back to Auschwitz, you Jew" - i find this hilarious as A) my family are not Jewish, like the vast majority of Poles they are Catholic, and B) It really is tiny narrow-minded bigotry at its worst - its like the oratory equivalent of the daily star!!
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    Please don't Jeer Marshall!!

    why applaud someone who defected to the scum? my money is on an Evans hat-trick whether we applaud or jeer or greet him with silence!!Wink [;)]
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    England: Outside looking in.

    [quote user="Mook"]

    [quote user="kick it off"]

     Owen - what has he done since he was 17? He had the one good tournament and has hung on to that reputation for 10YEARS!!!!   he is useless, but there dont seem to be many alternatives worringly for you!![/quote]

    Errrm, what has Owen done since he was 17??? How about score 40 goals in 88 internationals, making him our 3rd highest goal scorer of all time.

    He was top scorer in the premier league twice, European footballer of the year and has scored 187 goals in 354 club appearances, giving him a better than one goal in two ratio.

    Criticise the other "footballers" on our team all you like, but Michael has never let us down. LAY OFF!

    [/quote]OK!! fair enough, i cant argue with those stats, and i guess hadn''t realised how good his career had been!! Im not one for following premiership matters unless we''re there!! Crouch is one i can''t make my mind up on as he always appears clueless, like the flick on he sent the wrong side of the area against Croatia when Defoe was running in, but his touch seems to have improved a lot!! i know i will prob get slated for this but the guy is 6''7 and i dont believe he can aim headers!! surely he should be the most threatening from set pieces, not John Terry?!?! I honestly cant understand why Defoe is so left out everywhere he plays! I feel really sorry for the guy as he is one who ive only ever seen give 100%, correct me if im wrong by the way as im obviouisly not as well versed in England performances as most on here, But for me he has always looked dangerous and threatening?!
  19. see this is what i''m more used to!! i didnt come on here to gloat - im sorry if you seem to have mis-interpreted what I was saying but i think i have been both honest and respectful when it would be all too easy for me to gloat!!! the last thing i want to do is rub it in - to my friends, of course i have been, but i am not a wind-up merchant or attention seeker - i was merely offering a perception from a different point of view. Its not always that easy to be objective when it is your team or your country. I was just offering my views on the hot topic of the day. and something for people to think about.I put being polish on two different threads, this was to avoid confusion as people who hadnt read the thread where i first mentioned it may have been a little confused otherwise. I apologise for my simple statement of fact about where I am from, i didn''t realise mentioning it twice would cause such deep cuts and widespread offence.Confused [8-)]If the roles were reversed, and say England had qualified and Russia hadnt, And Russia sacked their manager, would you assume that the England manager would go over there instead of taking the team he had led thru the qualifiers into the finals? Its not realistic, that was my point.and on your point of why am i here? i''m not even going to dignify it with a response except i think it is suffice to say that you wouldnt be telling a patriotic englishman who lived in say America to get back over here would you?
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    England: Outside looking in.

    Terrific responses here, its a rarity that i actually get agreed with and not disparraged for my heritage!! You only have to look as far as Danny Dyer''s series on football hooligans and the real football firms to see how bad Polish fans can be - its on an obscure sky channel fairly late - but last night''s was on Polish derbys and the violence therein and it was abhorrant. It happens all over the world and whilst I''m not saying by any means England fans are the only ones - I didn''t hear any booing of GSTQ last night. Or against Russia for that matter. You will get small-minded bigots wherever you go but England seem to have a more vocal section than most!! On the Owen/Crouch point.... Owen in my opinion is not a great player, or even a particularly good one and i think that it highlights Englands weaknesses when he is your main goal threat. He wouldn''t get in the Polish team - We have Eby Smolarek - who is very similar in style to Owen but technically better and more clinical, i think Owen wastes rather a lot for an international calibre striker. Crouch for me is a bit of a non-entity, He always seems to score but he then goes on to make bad decisions, passing when he should shoot etc. For me he is not good enough, I was shocked by Heskey''s inclusion but by god he justified it!! He was excellent when he played and looked a much better bet than Crouch!! He made Owen look better than he usually does in my opinion.I have to say though, Rugby fans seem an entirely different breed, players too, if you want to see an England team play with pride and passion, look no further than them....No dissent, no disrespect, just pure honest guile and a will to fight and give100% for their country. There doesn''t seem to be the same arrogance and expectation there either, despite being holders, they were still not expected to re-create anything like the achievements of 03. They took every match as it came and took nothing for granted and they got what they deserved, nearly. But even after losing the world cup final, they still came out with huge amounts of respect.Until the football team produce anything like the sort of passion the rugby players do when they pull on that England shirt, England won''t win anything and you will be forced to endure the same lacklustre performances time and again. Whilst you do have a good crop of individual players, there isn''yt the pride there to bond them into a team and until that comes i think you''re in for a few long years!!
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    England: Outside looking in.

    ok fair enough if this was the case and id say the Croatians were out of order for this, however, id hope that you know that this is not unusual behaviour for England fans and that BBC often turn the crowd microphones off for the national anthems as they are so ashamed at the booing by England fans and the light this shows them in across the globe. It was not an ivory tower comment as poland''s fans are by no means angels!! im sorry it came across this way, and for any offence caused. I can only apologise and hasten to point out that the BBc did not show the servicemen or the Croatian fans reacting to them.
  22. [quote user="WEEN_NASTY"][quote user="kick it off"][quote user="Rush"]

    I would go for Guus Hiddink or Jose Mourinho.........................

    OTBC

    [/quote]Now being Polish, and having suffered abuse for this all my life at the hands of England fans (as i live in England) - i find this absolutely delightful that finally england have received justice for so many years of poor performances and lucky escapes. The deal has been sweetened by Poland already having secured qualification and top of their group (which included Portugal!!) at that.On the replacement note.... why on Earth, would Guus Hiddink, leave a team that he successfully steered past England into the finals, that respect him, that play for him and the shirt, who are proud of their country and give 100% every game... to come to a bunch of overpaid primadonnas who cant even be bothered to turn up and play to their abilities? A team who are so arrogant and complacent, and think they have a god-given right to win every game because they are England? A team who couldnt even do the job against a very poor Macedonian side who played with pride because they thought they would win just by turning up?Not a chance of Hiddink and I can''t see why Mourinho would want it either to be honest - he said he doesn''t agree with Foreign coaches and his ambition is to manage Portugal.[/quote]

    What were you before? Or are you a glory hunter now Poland  has qualified? [:D]

    [/quote]LOL :D - i meant now as a figure of speech, like one of those werthers original grandads starting a story off...."Now, When i was a boy...."
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    England: Outside looking in.

    I am Polish, but live in England....MY perception of your qualifying campaign is that you have been awful. Tactically inept, Poor personnel selections and an awful attitude have cost you. The English press need to learn when to keep their mouths shut. It is their complaceny and subtle racism that makes English fans appear arrogant, whilst this is clearly not representative of all fans, some seem to believe all the crap the press write. The press make England out to be world beaters, but they aren''t. Every time England qualify, the media is filled with crap about how a dove flew over a clifftop in North Devon at 3am on a full moon and this is an omen England will win the world cup etc. It''s ridiculous. England expect to win everything, but do not have the quality of players or the fight, passion and pride to win anything.England do have a few decent players, but they are a poor team and rely too much on individual contributions and not on a team performance. The players look arrogant and conceited and they think they have a right to win. They do not treat teams with the respect they deserve and are punished for it time and again. usually it ends with a lucky escape or a miracle to see them through after poor performances....they had their miracle on Saturday and they blew it last night.The England fans i would just like to point out - were disgraceful last night, booing the national anthem of the Croatians. This is so disrespectful and for that gesture alone, they got what they deserved last night. If a team from another country booed God Save the Queen then there would be uproar, with the press describing them as animals etc etc.....on that note also and to illustrate my press point, The Daily Mirror on monday ran a feature on the front page of its football pullout - Owed By England: Award Israel players OBE''s for their services to the country after saving our campaign and helping us qualify. A) this is ludicrous. B) bit premature don''t you think?The England team needs a complete overhaul. Green in goal for me, the others cant cut it.defensively - England were awful last night, everytime Croatia went forward they looked like scoring and England didnt know how to handle them.midfield - Gerrard and Lampard....Cant cut it. They do not deserve a starting place, they don''t care enough. Should never start in the same team anyway as they cant play together but they do nothing to warrant a starting berth in my book. SWP is far too small and lightweight and his final ball is terrible. Beckham is past it, although decent performance last night, not that thats sayiong much!!!forwards - rely far too much on rooney, without him you are clueless. Crouch is a joke, despite his good performance last night and his record of goals for England, he screws everything else up! he cant header, and he struggles to lay simple passes. Owen - what has he done since he was 17? He had the one good tournament and has hung on to that reputation for 10YEARS!!!!   he is useless, but there dont seem to be many alternatives worringly for you!!
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    Limit Foreign Players...

    Kneejerk reaction to a very poor campaign from England. Foreign players are not the problem - the problem is the disgusting attitude of the England team. Players need to come out with a humble attitude and earn the right to play - so they get paid 150k a week at their clubs and are good players....SO WHAT? if they don''t have the passion and pride to go with the ability and are so complacent as to assume they will win every game, what do you expect to happen? some of these players need their heads ripping off as it is their arrogance that is killing the game....NOT foreign players.... Italy, Spain, France, Germany....All big leagues, all teams that have qualified and all with an influx of foreign players in their leagues.
  25. [quote user="Rush"]

    I would go for Guus Hiddink or Jose Mourinho.........................

    OTBC

    [/quote]Now being Polish, and having suffered abuse for this all my life at the hands of England fans (as i live in England) - i find this absolutely delightful that finally england have received justice for so many years of poor performances and lucky escapes. The deal has been sweetened by Poland already having secured qualification and top of their group (which included Portugal!!) at that.On the replacement note.... why on Earth, would Guus Hiddink, leave a team that he successfully steered past England into the finals, that respect him, that play for him and the shirt, who are proud of their country and give 100% every game... to come to a bunch of overpaid primadonnas who cant even be bothered to turn up and play to their abilities? A team who are so arrogant and complacent, and think they have a god-given right to win every game because they are England? A team who couldnt even do the job against a very poor Macedonian side who played with pride because they thought they would win just by turning up?Not a chance of Hiddink and I can''t see why Mourinho would want it either to be honest - he said he doesn''t agree with Foreign coaches and his ambition is to manage Portugal.
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