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[quote user="Trawlerboy"]A poor mans Steve Morison.Please don''t let this happen. [/quote]Lmao Have you ever seen him play?I don''t care if you''re for him or against him but at least have a look on youtube before condemning him. Comparing CMS and Morison is like saying a goat is a poor man''s dolphin. It''s ridiculous and makes no sense whatsoever, and betrays the fact that you have not got a clue what kind of player he is, so jump back off the bandwagon and try getting some information, or watching him play before forming opinions.My god. This is what is so frustrating about this board, I don''t actually care if you''re slating the club/player based on an informed opinion, but when people start spouting ridiculous $hit like this, when they clearly know less than Fcuk all about the player in question, it''s just beyond pathetic.

[quote user="militantcanary"]Surely even if you look beyond the stats which aren''t great the Brighton fan''s point is a good one he cannot play up front on his own we need a target man or someone with pace and finishing ability to play alongside Holt Sorry if this is correct Hughton has even at this early stage lost my confidence, this will be a poor signing as was Bunn yesterday which i found utterly inexplicable. We must show ambition tomorrow or we are going down I am afraid[/quote]Pace and finishing ability? You mean the same attributes CMS is known for yeah? You say the Brighton fan''s point about CMS not being able to play up front on  his own is a good one, and then immediately say we need someone to play alongside Holt. I''m not sure how good your maths is, but if we need someone to play up front with Holt, then surely you can work out that would mean CMS would not be playing up front on his own... Because he''d be with Holt. Which is not on his own.... cuz Holt is there. 1 (Holt) + 1 (CMS) = 2 (up front).... Get it yet?You found the signing of Bunn "inexplicable"? Well then you''re clearly none too bright. Bunn signs. Rudd and Steer free to leave on loan. Loan = development. Development = better players in the future. I''m not quite sure how you can''t comprehend that, it literally could not be any simpler.If Hughton has lost your confidence at this early stage, it says more about you than it does about Hughton. Your post is making lose confidence in the human race...

[quote user="Yellow Wall"]If we were to sign CMS the last thing I would expect to see would be him playing as the lone striker. He would surely be behind GH and Moro for that position. Were he to sign he would be played as a second striker, which is the position he played at Posh when he poached many goals. He has been played as a lone striker often at Brighton, a role he obviously does not relish and one he has not excelled in. If Hughton thinks he is worth a punt then I am not going to question his reasoning. This is, of course, if there is any truth in all this anyway. [/quote]Spot on.We created a myriad of chances vs QPR, if we''d had a true poacher then I think we would have nicked it. We''re not clinical enough atm and that needs to change. Whatever else CMS does or doesn''t do, he''s undeniably got that poacher instinct and to be frank, if he''s putting the ball in the net from 2 yards and we''re winning games because of it, I couldn''t care less if he does nothing else all game.

[quote user="JF"] So the answer is to pi$$ £3 million plus up the wall on a striker that at the highest level he has ever played, A level one tier lower managed 9 goals in a season?[/quote]In an average team that didn''t play to his strengths. Most Brighton fans'' opinions that I''ve read are saying that he looked a much better player when they changed their style to suit him. CMS is not suited to the lone striker role (which is how he was deployed last season as far as I can gather), in the same way Holt isn''t suited to it. Both look toothless on their own up front, but give them some support and they will bang the goals in. Holt scored 25 in 108 games at league one level with Forest because the team didn''t play to his strengths and played him out of position on the wing, that''s not much better than CMS''s strike rate last season. Stats don''t tell the full story.But why let context get in the way of having a negative, uninformed rant hey? 

Overwhelming favourite for me is "The Blind Side" - The true story of a bloke called Michael Oher. I won''t give too much away because his story is amazing, but if you want to find out a bit about him first then google will answer you. It''s NFL related but you don''t need to know/like American football to enjoy this movie and the guy is a real inspiration. Received an award for his charitable work in 2010 too. Amazing bloke.Seven pounds is exceptional, and inspirational, although a little predictable. Coach Carter is always great too, one of the speeches is amazing.

Wow, thanks for starting another CMs thread, especially one as insightful as this.Were you disappointed when we signed League 2 journeyman Grant Holt? What about our entire midfield from Lg 1 or Champs?McNally, Hughton and Delia have obviously formulated a cunning plan to get us relegated. That''s the only answer. They don''t want any part of the massive reward from the TV deal next season so they''ve decided to take us down.

Of course they wouldn''t mate.I can kind of understand it, because Lambert proved he has the ability to get the best out of lower league gems whereas Hughton hasn''t got that kind of track record. What I object to, is the fact Hughton hasn''t done anything AT NORWICH to convince us he can''t get the best out of lower league gems (in fact he has done excellently at both Bham and Newc in this respect imo) but the negative nancys are just writing him off as if it''s impossible. Lambert isn''t the only manager who can make good players perform above themselves, but some people just can''t seem to grasp this.

[quote user="catwee"]Go on stroke Wiz''s ego, i for one wish he wasn''t here no more. In an internet sense that is before he goes off on one again[/quote]It''s not a case of stroking anyone''s ego or being a "lickarse" (childish comment), I owed Wiz an apology because I said something out of order, and he took it in a way it wasn''t intended but was very offensive. That''s just proper manners and the right thing to do in the situation.

So you''ve returned to the board I see, and much to my delight you seem to have adopted a far more reasonable, amicable and positive approach to all things NCFC!!I would like to apologise to you for my comments last week, which you interpreted to mean I had "wished you dead". I can honestly say that wasn''t my intent, I was merely trying to illustrate my point about how depressing and miserable you seemed to find everything associated with the club. I''m holding my hands up here, I didn''t really think through what I was saying, and how you could interpret what I said, and although I misjudged it and knew at the time I had overstepped the mark, I was so irritated by the negativity you were repeating everywhere that I was too stubborn to apologise when I should have done.So this is me giving you a sincere apology for any offence I caused. I do not wish you dead, and never have done. When you are being reasonable, you''re one of the most interesting posters on the board (even if your predictions are universally dubious [;)] ), and I hope you''ll accept this, with no hard feelings.

I actually wouldn''t be unhappy with this. The guy has pace, there''s no disputing that, he''s not afraid to run at players and I think he would actually be half decent playing alongside someone like Holty. I''ve surprised myself by thinking this wouldn''t be a terrible signing. A little underwhelming and certainly not my first choice, but I think he could be decent with us.

[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]I cant say I would really want carroll either Broadstairs;   but for guidetti is all reputation and no proven record  [/quote]Have a look how he got on last season. The standard of the Eredivisie certainly isn''t as good as Prem but you can only score against what''s in front of you, and he banged them in, and he has been prolific for Swedish national team up to U21 level (Only 1 cap for senior squad). Quick, strong, technically proficient and very intelligent player. Have you watched Guidetti much? Because he''s a far better player than Carroll and a lot less one dimensional. 

[quote user="KeelansGlove"]Its official you have all lost your minds. Quite apart from not having the money to buy Andy Carroll or loan him why would we want to ? Yes we scored amongst the most headed goals in the Prem last season and the players that did that are still here. We want something different not more of the same. I would play a cheese sandwich upfront before Andy Carroll. Power Pace and Skill that not we need not bloody Andy Carroll. Go take a long hard look at yourselves. [/quote]I can''t believe that it took this long for someone to write sense!! Are you all fcuking mental?Andy Carroll is absolutely $hit. Remember he played well for 90minutes over the ENTIRE SEASON?!That ridiculous price tag from geriatric "king Kenny" will hang round Carroll''s neck forever, but it doesn''t make him a good player, it means Dalglish paid at least 8 x Carroll''s true value, like he did with every other signing he made.Plus he''s a prick with an attitude (Remember he had to live with Nolan etc).Plus, his ponytail makes him look like a sex offender.No thanks.

I only ask because the media are certain he''s off to Celta Vigo on loan.

[quote user="Robert Barnes"]Ju-Young Park season loan from arsenal[/quote]Source?

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"] Assuming this bing directed at me?...how am i being negative?,how am i slating Hughton?, ....and one last question, if the window shuts and we are left with the pool of strikers we have now ,would YOU be happy?, if not then surely the situation is worthy of discussion on a Norwich City fans forum?. You clearly cant comprehend that whilst I believed that Vaughan was going to play a major part in our season I didnt think that the striking department was a concern, what I didnt know was that he didnt figure in Hughton''s plans...how could I??, so with that  being the case it was a higher priority than I would have known.   Please dont come back you blithering imbecile. [/quote]I''m a blithering imbecile because you''re a bit thick? Right, well done.No I wouldn''t be happy, IF we don''t sign a striker, but the situation isn''t worth discussing when it''s entirely hypothetical and frankly highly unlikely.Again, I repeat. 7th most prolific team in the Prem last year, we have lost wilby who scored 1 goal, Drury who scored zero goals and Vaughan who scored 0 goals and barely kicked a ball. We have added Snodgrass and Butterfield who are both goal scorers. Explain how that makes a striker situation a high priority, compared with our defence? because to anyone with half a brain and a bit of common sense, it doesn''t. If everything else is a higher priority (Def, Def mid) and having already added some goals and attacking flair to the team, then that makes striker a last priority. Which we have the busiest period of the transfer window to concentrate on. This really isn''t difficult to understand.There''s only one imbecile here and it certainly isn''t me.

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]theres "no point" to my post at all?...other than observing after last night that our back up strikers perhaps can''t be relied upon and unless we adress it within 2 days we will lack the firepower to keep us in the Premiership?....what exactly am I whinging about? you''ve fluctuated between saying that our striking department isnt good enough to being good enough and now not being again to suit your argument?.....which is it? Yes ,the striking WAS low on the priority list, whilst IMO we still had Vaughan, but as I''ve said, having witnessed last night, I''m suggesting that it was a bigger priority than we perhaps thought all along? what exactly is your argument, other than to contradict? [/quote]Read it again. I haven''t fluctuated at all. We need another striker, it''s last on the priority list because our defence was terrible last season. How is that hard to comprehend? We are a team that scores goals from everywhere, we had the 7th most prolific team in the Prem last year, we haven''t lost anyone that scored more than a solitary goal last season. We have added Snodgrass and Butterfield who are attacking players that score goals. Yet you''re there bleating on about not enough firepower because you can''t find anything else to whinge about.You''re whinging we haven''t got a striker in yet, the title of your post implies Hughton hadn''t noticed before that he needs a striker, despite his public comments to the contrary, and the window isn''t even shut yet.And if anyone is "fluctuating", I think you will find: "here we are 3 days before the window shuts without the one thing that was priority all along ?!" and "Yes ,the striking WAS low on the priority list," are pretty much the epitome of contradicting yourself. Which was it? The highest priority or low on the list? (and before you try to squirm out of that, If it was a priority all along, then it hasn''t just become a priority since Vaughan went, and if it was a priority all along, then as earlier illustrated, defence was the biggest priority.My point is that this board is full of negatove kn0bs who will use ANY excuse, however inane or nonsensical to slate Hughton and it''s pathetic. Just grow up. I''m leaving this thread now as clearly you lack the basic intellectual capacity to understand an incredibly simple, and obvious situation and I have better things to do than sit here arguing the toss.

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"] Oh dear Alan, are you just going o follow like a sheep or contribute something yourself? The point of the post is that we had gone through the vast majority of pre-season believing that the attacking part of the team was o.k, then at the 11th hour we get rid of Vaughan (who lets remember was on the bench ahead of Jackson at Fulham), and it now becomes a priority ehen it perhaps needent have been? To the poster who reeled off the fact that we were the 7th highest scorers in the league last season ,remember that the Morison situation hasnt just happened over the summer....he effectively downed tools around January.  Bless you also for saying that we didnt beat QPR because of the strikers...it was down to "poor finishing"......and trying to convince everyone that the two arent connected?!?!....thats pretty good going! [/quote]Can you actually read? I never said they weren''t connected, I said much of the poor finishing was the midfielders, which is a fact. I said the defence was a far bigger priority and rightly so. Loaning out a striker who contributed exactly ZERO goals last season doesn''t change that, we still need one, but it''s last priority on the list. I''m quite clearly in favour of bringing another striker in, so your attempt to condescend and statement that i''m trying to convince everyone "the two aren''t connected" doesn''t really make a lot of sense, but bless you for trying, it''s the taking part the counts.There is no point to your post at all, except to whinge about something, and it doesn''t matter what, anything will do.Are you seriously this thick or are you trolling? [:S]

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"] in case you hadnt realised, i''ll remind you that the season has already started?.....we''ve already let 2 points go against QPR because we didnt have good enough cover on the bench to bring on when fresh legs were required. [/quote]Right, but that actually bears no relevance at all to what I said. We let two points go against QPR due to some horrendous refereeing decisions, and some poor finishing, much of it from our midfielders. Was it the lack of firepower or our defence that was the problem against Fulham? The one that had 3 out of 4 defenders from last year''s leaky defence playing? The priority was obviously defence, and if you can''t see that then I am genuinely stunned.In a perfect world we would already have a striker in. But we don''t. We have absolutely no way of knowing why it hasn''t happened yet, but we can say with a degree of certainty that Hughton is actively trying to get someone in - we have been told as much by Hughton, Foulger''s son etc. We also know we are two strikers light on last season (although Vaughan was injured for 90% of it so in reality, one striker down and Martin''s return offsets that to some degree) and Hughton chose to let Vaughan go, which means logic dictates he thinks there is an almost certainty of bringing a replacement in. I guarantee you it''s not Hughton delaying getting the striker in, he hasn''t been sat there with McNally saying "You know what Dave, I know we need a new striker, but can you make sure you don''t sign him until the very last minute on deadline day"... it''s a nonsensical train of thought which bears no correlation whatsoever to logic.Hughton has always known we need a new striker, he obviously expects to be bringing one in, he has said as much in public, although not in so many words, previously, and yet you''re whinging because we''ve played two games with just 26 prem goals last season pairing Holt and Moro, and Cinnamon to choose from. The defence was the obvious priority and I find it staggering someone could possibly even entertain the concept that a striker was a bigger priority.Let''s have a look at the stats shall we? 6 teams in the league scored more goals than us last season, the teams that finished in places 1,2,3,4,5 and 6. 3 teams conceded more than us, the 3 who got relegated. Yet you believe a striker was the obvious, number 1 priority this season? That''s absolutely mental.These things don''t happen overnight, and it''s not like going into a shop to buy a sandwich. There is a myriad of things out of the club''s control that can hold up transfer dealings, yet you''re bitching at Hughton because he hasn''t got the last priority on the list sorted yet, when he still has ample time by transfer window standards to address the issue, prior to our next game. It''s pathetic.

[quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"][quote user="Gingerpele"]I''m fairly sure he knew that already, probably before he let Vaughan go.[/quote] if thats the case I''m a little concerned that having made 7 signings this summer in every other conceivable position, here we are 3 days before the window shuts without the one thing that was priority all along ?!?!? [/quote]For god''s sake, do shut up. IF we don''t sign a striker by Saturday morning then whinge, bitch and moan to your heart''s content, however between now and then we have THE BUSIEST 72 hours of the transfer window when a lot of deals are done.Hughton knows we need a striker, Hughton has been actively pursuing strikers, and Hughton will have a shiny new striker for us by 11pm Friday. Hughton is not a moron, he wouldn''t let Vaughan go unless he was certain he could get someone else in, pretty obviously.The one thing that was a priority all along? Forgive me if I''m wrong, but scoring goals hasn''t been an issue for us for at least 3 years, however shipping them by the bucketload at the other end was a MASSIVE problem, and as such, sorting the defence out was only around 1000000000000 x more important than another striker. Can you really not work that out?Certain elements of this messageboard will truly find an excuse to whinge about anything.

Not on the internet. Bloody pointless and irritating.

Anyone know whether Radio Norfolk are covering it? (Im assuming they will?) and whether the Radio Norfolk feed will be available on BBC site for us exiles or will it be exclusive to CanariesPlayer like the league games?

[quote user="ncfctilidie1080"]Wow. Boy? You really don''t know do you? Let me know when you leave home and discover what is outside the walls of your house[/quote]Yeah you said that already, and you''re a couple of decades too late, but ok I retract it, you''re not a boy, you''re just a sad, lonely little man with a pathetic existence and a single digit IQ, because that is the only logical alternative to u being a child.I won''t respond any further because I''m bored of fulfilling your compulsion for any kind of attention, that betrays the paucity of your intellect, and a life bereft of social interaction.

[quote user="ncfctilidie1080"]And from someone who has posted over 1000 times, I find the comment about social skills/friends slightly ironic. [/quote]Let''s break it down shall we? 27 posts in 9 days = 3posts per day average for you.1987 posts from me in 2479 days = 0.81Looks like your irony is misplaced Archimedes.And if you genuinely don''t think that attention seeking on an internet messageboard is pathetic, then boy is the only word for you that the language filters will allow, but I can think of a million others.

[quote user="ncfctilidie1080"]Hmmmmmm. Wouldn''t say it was a pathetic wind up? It got a few people riled up.[/quote]If you don''t think "jokes" that are aimed to "wind people up" over the internet are pathetic, then you have an inherently low IQ, severe lack of social skills/friends and a hell of a lot of growing up to do, boy.

Highly unlikely on either front - possibly radio Norfolk online will be available for those of us who no longer bother with CW, but I don''t know the rights ownership so can''t say for sure.