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Cup without a shadow of a doubt. There is always another chance to get back in the top flight yet we have never even been to the final of The FA Cup. Regardless of whether it is less prestigous than it once was to win The FA Cup would be our greatest ever achievement. Winning trophies is what it''s all about...... and I bet the players woud agree with me.

[quote user="lake district canary"] To answer the question - not sure he''s allowed on here anymore - but Shyster was always good value - at least he didn''t/doesn''t sit on the fence. [/quote]I miss Shyster. But I suspect his handler has another puppet in play at the moment.I''ll vote for Bethnal, Nutty, Herman and BlyBlyBabes in no particular order.

[quote user="paul moy"]Biting can pass on serious diseases and kids have been copying his example, but apart from that this is at least his third major offence and he did not learn from the others, so it''s correct to make a powerful statement IMO.[/quote]Pathetic. The Daily Mail found one child who it claims ''did a Suarez'' and the ''serious diseases'' statement barely deserves a response. Meanwhile Steve Sidwell gets a four match ban for the second wild lunge in a month which could have caused serious injury. The actions of Suarez are childish rather than dangerous and should be treated as such. The same length of ban as Sidwell would have been just about right as this was a second offence even though the potential for damage to an opponent was much less.

I tend to think that decisions do even themselves out but probably over a longer period than just one season. But obviously this is distorted by the fact that big teams tend to get more decisions going their way due to a) referees being pressured into giving more decisionstheir way (either by by a large crowd or just by reputation) and b) the top sides tendency to play more attacking football and thus get into areas where they can benefit from dubious penalty calls more often.

Excellent idea Mungo. First 100 to buy one get a signed topless photo of Steven Gerrard or Gareth Bale and a CD of the Champions League theme song to go with their halfy-half scarf.

[quote user="mrs miggins"][quote user="Truculent Trucker"]If most tweets have the same standard of syntax and punctuation as our man in Carlisle, I''m glad I don''t use twitter. Twitter is for tw.ats.[/quote]   thats why i call it twatter [/quote]Wow. How incredibly original [:|][;)]

Why?

I''ve updated the final tweet from David McNally to what he should have said - david mcnally ‏@davidmcnally62 @Robncfc88 Stop being such a oversensitive tw@t and let me get on with my job.

In all fairness the caller was being a bit of a dick. Asking ''are you a family man Rob'' and bringing up his own personal circumstances to try and make a point. Having said that I don''t like Butler and thought his insistence that ''we only discuss on field matters on Canary Call'' showed up his own lack of knowledge quite badly.

Bollocks. I knew there was something I meant to record last night. Off to ITV Player for me.

[quote user="Wirecanary"]Totally agree with JC I also went to the match today and 4-0 totally flattered Man utd .. We should have and deserved to be 0-0 at ht we contained them well.[/quote]How can you deserve to be 0-0 at half time when the opposition scores a goal? Surely the very fact that you have conceded a goal means that you didn''t deserve to keep a clean sheet.

[quote user="pablofarmer"] Johnson, those that don''t know what must ot go to games! [/quote]Or they simply have a different opinion than you.Shocking isn''t it [:O]

These threads always blur into quite black and white ''anti-Holt'' and ''pro-Holt'' arguments which probably don''t do the subject justice. Grant Holt is quite rightly held up as one of the main reasons for our rise from League One basketcase to potential established Premier League side. His contribution since arriving at the club has been immense. But his style of play does pose a problem for a manager who has identified that we need to tighten up defensively (and before anyone seeks to blame Chris Hughton for any perceived negativity it is worth noting that this is something Paul Lambert also recognised) as he is not the traditional ''Number 9'' which so many seek to pigeonhole him as.Chris Hughton has decided to use Grant Holt as our lone striker this season but this doesn''t really play to his strengths. I don''t think it is any coincidence that when Paul Lambert switched to one up front he almost always called on Steve Morison to play the role of lone striker. Morison''s lack of form meant that this was really no longer an option and instead it is Holt who has found himself as the lone striker. The problem of course is that Holt is not the traditional ''Number 9'' that Morison was and likes to come deep and wide to link up with the midfield. The way that Morison played this role was, wrongly in my view, described as being lazy but his style was more suited to playing the role of a lone striker. Grant Holt, as I have suggested in the past and Nutty Nigel has taken further by suggesting he could play the role that Wes currently holds, is really a ''Nine and a Half'' in that he breaks the rules of the lone striker. And it is this that sort of leads us back through the emotion and talk of talismen to the OP. Now I don''t know if McNally was undermined over the whole contract issue but I suspect he was not. I doubt he was very happy about the actions of Holt''s agent, this seems fairly clear from tweets and press releases at this time, but I would like to think he recognised the potential effect of losing our captain at the same time as our manager was jumping ship. But at the same time you have to wonder whether the reported £6million that West Ham were offering would have allowed us to recruit in a way which would have reduced that overall effect. Nobody knows but I suspect that it will not be a position we ever find ourselves in again.My view is that it was the right decision to keep him and that he has contributed plenty this season albeit in a different role. But I think that we might need to improve on him (and others) next season if we want to continue to progress.

[quote user="Indy"]So where''s the legal difference between a single black playing individual being targetted by the crowd and as you say they would be calling the individual a monkey not the black race as a whole?   Can this be right under equal laws? Because you can gaurantee this arguement you have here for Bale would not hold any weight if he was from a different racial background, even if you say you were taegetting the individual not the race!   That''s the last I have on this subject as it is so fragmented that you have laid out s great post defining the laws and yet your argument is flawed as if the crowd target a whit player and subject him to monkey realted chants it''s just name calling  but if you did the same to a black layer it'' classed as racial? where''s the difference.   Just pointing out some real differences being seen from different points of view. [/quote]The difference lies in the historical evidence of black players being targeted by monkey chants. Anyone with a passing interest in football knows that this has gone on for years and continues to be a blight on the game in some parts of Europe. If you were considering making such a chant to a black player because you really thought that he looked like a monkey then you would obviously consider the historical context (as would the courts should you be charged). There is no precedence of white players being racially abused in this country so if you are Gareth Bale and you spot a black fan calling you a chimp you are, quite rightly, going to struggle to make any race related charge stick.

[quote user="swindoncanary"]What result would you guys like tonight ? [/quote]As long as it is entertaining I couldn''t care less about the result. How anyone can sit and watch a match between two of the biggest clubs in Europe whilst worrying about the potential effect it might have on Norwich two weeks later is beyond me. Just sit back and enjoy a proper European match.I have a feeling Real will win tonight but United will get an away goal. Think Real will go through as I reckon Mourinho is destined to beat Barca in the final before leaving in the summer.  

I think it might well be stronger right at the bottom but weaker overall. As has already been stated you had two very poor sides last year in Blackburn and Wolves who were dead certs for relegation from around Christmas and a Bolton side who seemed at the end of the natural life in the Premier League. This season you only really have QPR who look like certainties for the drop. Villa and Wigan may well be this years Bolton but they both look capable of stringing a few results together and making a fight of it.I said last season that the Premier League had a very soft middle and I think it holds true this season. Ten points cover seventh to sixteenth and I''m not convinced there is a whole lot of difference in quality between those ten teams. You would think that Liverpool are the strongest team in that group as they do have some genuinely class players but they appear very much a work in progress. The likes of Fulham, Stoke, Newcastle, Sunderland and West Brom (and Norwich just about) all look just good enough to avoid any realistic relegation trouble but don''t appear to be improved from last season. Of those ten teams only Swansea look any better than they were last season with the rest either standing still or declining.Of the top six Spurs and Everton look slightly stronger than last season to me but the rest don''t look to have improved. Arsenal continue to sell off their best players and weaken their squad, Chelsea are in a similar position but still stuck with the need to replace several big name players long term who are vital short term, United have improved their strike force but are declining in midfield and defence and City bought several players who have made little impact (Rodwell and Sinclair in particular) and have others who are not living up to their performances from last season. United are perhaps the most interesting case as a lot of people, myself included, have been saying that they are in decline for the past four years (since Ronaldo left really) yet here they are twelve points clear at the top of the league again. It either suggest that the league as a whole is getting weaker or a lot of people, myself included, haven''t got a clue what they are talking about [;)]

[quote user="ABC A Basingstoke Canary"]May I be so bold as to suggest to all those who consistently berate the manager for "not doing this" or "no Plan B that" or "only substitutes when it''s too late" etc., etc., etc. to submit your CV to the CEO of the club, and outline precisely why your credentials and your finer understanding of the mechanics and motivational aspects of football management are so much more superior to the current incumbent.  [/quote] You do realise this makes you sound a little like Glenn Roeder [:^)]

The only people who seem to get upset by Mungo are those who seem to constantly need to define what a supporter is and how they meet the criteria they have laid down themselves. They might think that they are constantly defending themselves against Mungo but it looks to me as if are constantly trying to convince themselves. If you are happy with the way you support the club then why would you need to worry about what anybody else thinks? I hardly been to a Norwich match for the past two or three years (clearly I have got the concept of glory hunting very badly wrong) mainly due to a combination of lack of time and money caused by having three kids. Before then I have been both a season ticket holder, a member and a casual supporter. Could I have made a bit more of an effort to have got to games over that period? Probably. Could I have saved a few quid elsewhere to have bought the occasional ticket? Almost certainly. Have I ever started a thread looking for tickets when Man Yoo or Citeh come to town? Never.If you want to start a hierarchy of fans then I would almost definitely be in the bottom half and I''m fine with that. My contribution is not the same as those who attend regularly and to suggest that it is would be nonsense. I''ll be sat in front of my TV at the weekend with one child showing a vague interest, one wanting to play the Jake and the Neverland Pirates game on the Disney website instead and one trying to unplug the laptop from the TV. That is just fine for me right now.

[quote user="Howson is now"]I''m guessing a certain 6-0 thumping sending us down, and another 5 goal thumping on the opening day of the season could be two reasons Mungo doesn''t like Fulham.  [/quote] I can''t really understand why anyone would despise another team for beating us soundly but fairly. Unless they were about ten [;)]

[quote user="Mungo Bumpkin"]there are plenty of reasons to despise Fulham, so why not give it a go. Mungo [/quote]I''ve tried really hard but I cannot think of one reason to despise Fulham. They are pretty much the only Premier League club* that I don''t despise. * Apart from Norwich obviously. And Swansea are alright.

Managed to watch about 20 seconds before I had to switch off. Absolutely tragic and I can''t help feeling that there is no chance of a happy ending now. Just wish there was someone who could help him.

Firtly let me say that I don''t think today''s result was bad at all and a point was a lot better for us than it was QPR but I did think that today showed up mny of the problems which exist when playing inside out wingers. Now I understand the reasons why it has become fashionable to play this way and I think that the fact that Robert Snodgrass will be up there when it comes to the POTS vote shows that it has it merits. However if you look at the whole picture I''m not sure that the fact that playing Snodgrass on the right allows him to cut inside and shoot with his left is enough to negate the impact this has overall.At least three or four times in the second half Elliot Bennett gave the ball away cheaply when clearing with his weaker left foot and on a couple more occasions he was unable to provide the quick cross needed because he had had to cut back onto his right. This also happened a few times with Snodgrass who was shown the outside by QPR defenders when he was given the ball and attacked from a standing start.I can understand the desire to play this way and what it allows Snodgrass to do but I do wonder if this is enough to make up for the negatives. Especially when our main striker who would thrive on crosses being delivered into the box appears to be increasingly marginalised.

Odemwingie has behaved very badly and deserves the abuse coming his way but it is pretty clear that somebody at QPR encouraged him to get down there before their legal team got their act together and denied him acccess to the ground.I did warn those yesterday who were glad to see the back of Mario that his departure would unbalanct the Premier League and lead to all sorts of bad behaviour. This is just the start.

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="dpit"]One up in my transfer deadline day message board bingo game.[/quote]What else is on the grid?"No ambition""We''re doomed!""Nailed on relegation favourites""Crap signing""Waste of money""Journeyman""Delia is Satan in a pinny"etc etc[/quote]"We go with what we''ve got" is a favourite.

SSN showing Jermaine Jenas turning up at QPR but being locked out. No one on reception.