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Still three weeks to go and almost sold out already, I reckon we could sell over 30k for the Leeds and Ipswich games if the ground was bigger. -
[quote user="Mister Chops"]The real irritation with Beckford was that we were planning to buy both him and Robbie Earle. As it is, we got "Barren Dickford" and Wimbledon got one of the best midfield enforcers for years.[/quote] Earle turned us down and signed for Wimbledon because he thought they were more ambitious if my memory serves me correct. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="kdncfc"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="kdncfc"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="kdncfc"]By all accounts we would have won that game today if we had Chopra and Boothroyd up front, difference is we have a couple of league 1 strikers trying to make the step up whereas they have a premier league quality strike force that will most likely see them go up as champions. As well as we have done this season we do lack quality up front and sadly that will not be addressed any time soon due to lack of cash.[/quote]
This age old Norwich problem will probably never go away. Quality goalscorers cost a fortune and as Worthy found out to his cost in 2006 Norwich can''t afford to pay the going rate. Back then Worthy wanted Hulse or Howard but those in charge of the finances, even though we had parachute payments, would not come close to paying the price. Back in 2003 Worthy wanted Alan Lee but those in charge of the finances, so Ronnie Moore tells us, only offered enough money to buy his left foot. Way back in the late 80''s probably our best ever side were one quality goalscorer away from winning the double but it was the same old story, we wouldn''t pay the going rate. So Norwich managers have to make do with trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear from the lower divisions or be resourceful like Worthy was and find a Dion Dublin.
We did buy Dean Ashton but even then 4 months too late. Is that the only time we have paid big money for a quality striker?
[/quote]We paid 900k for Darren Beckford and 600k for Fleck back in the late 80''s which was a lot of money in them days, mind you the less said about Darren Beckford the better. I remember going to Vale Park when we beat them 3-1 in the cup in 1989 and Beckford looked a right handful that day but he was woeful for us.Unless we get taken over or find substantial investment I don''t see us getting stikers anywhere near the calibre Cardiff had yesterday so we are unlikely to find much better than we have at the moment unless it''s a loan and I don''t think we want to go there again.[/quote]
Agreed about Beckford but it was still a punt from a lower division as was Ekoku. We never pay the going rate for proven goalscorers from the level we are playing at. I guess we can''t afford to whoever controls the purse strings.
[/quote]The 900k we paid for Beckford was equivalent to us paying 3 million nowadays though Nutty, I''m pretty sure that if we had spent 3 million on a striker in the summer we''d have enough quality up front to compete with the Cardiffs of this world.[/quote]
Even if it was Beckford? We''d have to pay them the going rate too don''t forget. Someone who''s good at sums could perhaps tell us the whole cost of a 3m striker. The thing with taking a punt on those unproven at the level is their contracts are more affordable. But I don''t see it ever changing for us. We sell quality strikers and buy cheap replacements and hope. Always have and always will.
[/quote]The only way it will change is if we get taken over by a billionaire or get promoted to the prem and stay there for a few seasons. We haven''t had a spell in the prem since the amount of money involved became obscene so it''s hard to know whether we''d spend serious sums on players, can''t say I''d be confident of the current owners spending any more than they had to even if we did get there though so maybe you''re right in saying it will never change. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="kdncfc"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="kdncfc"]By all accounts we would have won that game today if we had Chopra and Boothroyd up front, difference is we have a couple of league 1 strikers trying to make the step up whereas they have a premier league quality strike force that will most likely see them go up as champions. As well as we have done this season we do lack quality up front and sadly that will not be addressed any time soon due to lack of cash.[/quote]
This age old Norwich problem will probably never go away. Quality goalscorers cost a fortune and as Worthy found out to his cost in 2006 Norwich can''t afford to pay the going rate. Back then Worthy wanted Hulse or Howard but those in charge of the finances, even though we had parachute payments, would not come close to paying the price. Back in 2003 Worthy wanted Alan Lee but those in charge of the finances, so Ronnie Moore tells us, only offered enough money to buy his left foot. Way back in the late 80''s probably our best ever side were one quality goalscorer away from winning the double but it was the same old story, we wouldn''t pay the going rate. So Norwich managers have to make do with trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear from the lower divisions or be resourceful like Worthy was and find a Dion Dublin.
We did buy Dean Ashton but even then 4 months too late. Is that the only time we have paid big money for a quality striker?
[/quote]We paid 900k for Darren Beckford and 600k for Fleck back in the late 80''s which was a lot of money in them days, mind you the less said about Darren Beckford the better. I remember going to Vale Park when we beat them 3-1 in the cup in 1989 and Beckford looked a right handful that day but he was woeful for us.Unless we get taken over or find substantial investment I don''t see us getting stikers anywhere near the calibre Cardiff had yesterday so we are unlikely to find much better than we have at the moment unless it''s a loan and I don''t think we want to go there again.[/quote]
Agreed about Beckford but it was still a punt from a lower division as was Ekoku. We never pay the going rate for proven goalscorers from the level we are playing at. I guess we can''t afford to whoever controls the purse strings.
[/quote]The 900k we paid for Beckford was equivalent to us paying 3 million nowadays though Nutty, I''m pretty sure that if we had spent 3 million on a striker in the summer we''d have enough quality up front to compete with the Cardiffs of this world. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="kdncfc"]By all accounts we would have won that game today if we had Chopra and Boothroyd up front, difference is we have a couple of league 1 strikers trying to make the step up whereas they have a premier league quality strike force that will most likely see them go up as champions. As well as we have done this season we do lack quality up front and sadly that will not be addressed any time soon due to lack of cash.[/quote]
This age old Norwich problem will probably never go away. Quality goalscorers cost a fortune and as Worthy found out to his cost in 2006 Norwich can''t afford to pay the going rate. Back then Worthy wanted Hulse or Howard but those in charge of the finances, even though we had parachute payments, would not come close to paying the price. Back in 2003 Worthy wanted Alan Lee but those in charge of the finances, so Ronnie Moore tells us, only offered enough money to buy his left foot. Way back in the late 80''s probably our best ever side were one quality goalscorer away from winning the double but it was the same old story, we wouldn''t pay the going rate. So Norwich managers have to make do with trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear from the lower divisions or be resourceful like Worthy was and find a Dion Dublin.
We did buy Dean Ashton but even then 4 months too late. Is that the only time we have paid big money for a quality striker?
[/quote]We paid 900k for Darren Beckford and 600k for Fleck back in the late 80''s which was a lot of money in them days, mind you the less said about Darren Beckford the better. I remember going to Vale Park when we beat them 3-1 in the cup in 1989 and Beckford looked a right handful that day but he was woeful for us.Unless we get taken over or find substantial investment I don''t see us getting stikers anywhere near the calibre Cardiff had yesterday so we are unlikely to find much better than we have at the moment unless it''s a loan and I don''t think we want to go there again. -
By all accounts we would have won that game today if we had Chopra and Boothroyd up front, difference is we have a couple of league 1 strikers trying to make the step up whereas they have a premier league quality strike force that will most likely see them go up as champions. As well as we have done this season we do lack quality up front and sadly that will not be addressed any time soon due to lack of cash. -
[quote user="Nolly"]that''s the big difference though Blackburn are in the Premier league, with all the money coming in and exposure on tv etc. Taking aside us being fans but who would want to invest in any other lower league teams (City included) unless for dodgy reasons (like our neighbours!)I''m surprised there wasn''t an update on what''s happening on the investment front. As for McNally giving up on this because of the 7 year plan. Surely that''s just business sense, make plans for what you have, if anything else comes in then its a bonus[/quote]It is good business sense to work to a plan but my point is that I hope it''s not because we have exhausted every possible avenue in finding investment and the 7 year plan is being implemented because of that. -
[quote user="Mello Yello"][quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="kdncfc"]Any mention of whether the search for investment is any nearer coming to fruition?[/quote]
That did not flag up on the radar at all.
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Why''s that then?
Did the Chief Exec go into stealth mode? Did he turn on a Romulan cloaking device?
Surely investment - would or should have, been one of the main topics of question and discussion....?
[/quote]My thoughts exactly Mello, from what Mcnally said about 7 year plans it sounds as if we may have given up on new investment or a takeover. I would have thought an update on where we are on that would have been given without the question needing to have been asked.I notice Blackburn who are a small town club with major competition look like they are being taken over next month so there obviously are willing investors out there if you look in the right places. Apart from not being in the prem I''d say NCFC have more potential than Blackburn and would be avaliable at a far lower price. -
[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="kdncfc"]Any mention of whether the search for investment is any nearer coming to fruition?[/quote]
That did not flag up on the radar at all.
[/quote]Do you think this is still ongoing then Tilly or have all the interested parties fallen by the wayside? I''m surprised it never came up as it''s vital to the future of our club that some kind of investmnt or a takeover happens in the not to distant future -
Any mention of whether the search for investment is any nearer coming to fruition? -
I''d have given him a 3, couldn''t believe the amount of free kicks he gave them for the slightest contact on their players and then didn''t give anything for a similar contact on our players. If a ref is crap for both sides it''s bad but when he''s so biased towards one side it''s so damn frustrating. I''m amazed he didn''t overule the linesman and disallow our goal. -
I still keep hoping that the long search for investment or new ownership is going to come to fruition before the end of the year but it is beginning to look less likely as time passes, the last we were told was that the club had narrowed it down to several interested parties but since then only Stephen Fry who isn''t wealthy enough to make a difference has joined the board. We all know it''s not easy to find someone who has the right intentions and are prepared to put serious money into a football club but a few have managed over the period we have been searching so it''s certainly possible.My worry is that Lambert will feel he has taken us as far as he can without money and will jump ship as soon as the right opportunity arises if something isn''t sorted soon, it''s happened to us before with Mike Walker and now we finally have a manager who knows what he''s doing we really don''t want to risk it happening again. My view is that enough time has passed for something to have been sorted and it would be nice to at least be kept in the picture as to what the current situation is regarding either investment or new ownership, what has happened to the "several interested parties" that we were talking to at the start of the year? Maybe something that could be asked at the fans forum on Tuesday. -
[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="kdncfc"]We had 58% posession according to the stats, I always felt we were more likely to nick another one than they were to get an equaliser. Fairlt comfortable 1-0 for me.[/quote]I noticed that also. I think you will find those BBC stats are arse about face because it says we had 3 shots on target to Boro''s 8. No way on earth was that correct.[/quote]I can''t remember Ruddy having to make a save of any note although the same could be said of their keeper, we did look more like scoring than they did for the most part though and came close on more occasions than they did. -
[quote user="ryan1992"]Just thinking about today''s game, and it actually was a strange game. We were outplayed for large parts, and didn''t have many opportunities, But I was never really fearful of losing our lead untill maybe the last few minutes, including when they missed an absolute cracking chance to draw level. We didn''t play nearly as well as we possibly can, but got a great 3 points. The strange thing is that although we didnt play very well, we had a lot of top perfrmances, in particularly, IMO, Ward, Barnett, Crofts and Lappin were top today, and I thought Mcnammee, Holt and jackson had very good games aswell. nothing better than grinding out these results, and off we go to Cardiff next week with nothing to fear! OTBC NMTD COYY!!![/quote]I wouldn''t say we were outplayed, never really felt they were going to score if they had played all night. We had more near misses than them and more posession than them according to the stats, well deserved 3 points imo. -
[quote user="Robert N. LiM"]A typically measured and sane report as usual Ricardo - thanks for posting. Quite why you''re not on Archant''s payroll continues to bemuse me.I thought it was the sort of win that delights a manager. Yes, Middlesbrough had lots of possession, but City''s two banks of four were expertly deployed, worked really hard and prevented any real chances being created until the last few minutes.For the committed City fan, it''s terrifying seeing the team retreat to the edge of the 18-yard box and letting the opposition pass it around in front of them. But I think the neutral would never have expected Boro to score today, so disciplined and industrious were our midfield and defence.Given that, I thought Macca was an odd choice for MoM. Think I would have picked Elliot Ward.Whatever, that was a really hard-fought win and a bloody good result. The Peroni will slip down all the sweeter tonight, no doubt.[/quote]We had 58% posession according to the stats, I always felt we were more likely to nick another one than they were to get an equaliser. Fairlt comfortable 1-0 for me. -
[quote user="blahblahblah"]kd - i think this happens because season ticket holders tell the club they won''t be at the match, so the club can sell the seat.[/quote]I''m surprised they''re still operating the buy back scheme considering not one game has even been close to a sell out. -
[quote user="First Wazzock"]I can''t believe no one has got our lot singing it yet.
Come on guys it''s a bit of an anthem.
[/quote]I thought that sounded really good, a few hundred of their fans sounded far louder than our lot did all night when they sung that, as usual when we did sing it was the same old songs. -
[quote user="Dan Druff"]I reckon 25,000 tops.[/quote]Think you''re right, seems to have been some more unsold seats appear since I looked yesterday, how does that happen? One day you look and there''s hardly any left and the next there seems to be more avaliable. This failure to sell out is really weird, last year we were getting over 25k against such teams as Southend and Hartlepool and this year we are struggling to top 25k in a higher league. -
I don''t think manure will dominate the game as much over the next 20 years, obviously they''ll be in the top four but they have far to many top players coming to the end of their careers at the same time who will be almost impossible to replace. Add to that the fact that Ferguson will surely soon retire and will be very difficult to replace, it''s will take a very special manager to carry out the amount of rebuilding needed at the theatre of bullpoo and continue winning trophies the way they have been doing. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="kdncfc"]
Think we''d better just beg to differ and agree to disagree on this one Nutty cos my head is beginning to hurt.[/quote]
That''s probably tiredness setting in[|-)][S]
[/quote]I''m not having that. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"]Great!! So my opinion is wrong but you don''t have an alternative however you''re sure Paul Lambert would agree with you[;)]
I believe that gaining a point at QPR would have been more physically and mentally tiring for our players, particularly Lappin, Smith and Hoolahan, than losing at home to Millwall was to theirs. It''s just the way of it I''m afraid. In an ideal world a manager would hope to be able to rotate their squad in these situations. But without changing the system Lambert didn''t have other options. Last time he did that we got beat 3-1 on the Tuesday night.
[/quote]Think we''d better just beg to differ and agree to disagree on this one Nutty cos my head is beginning to hurt. -
Boro are not exactly the best supported club home or away but you would have thought they''d bring at least 500 which should mean we get close to 26k. -
Just been looking at online ticketing and there doesn''t look to be many tickets left for the Boro game, maybe at long last we''ll top 26k. Thought we may have done the other night with kids only being a quid. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"]Lincoln, kdncfc and City Angel all tell me I can''t blame fatigue for last nights defeat but I still do. That''s what I think and none of you have convinced me otherwise.
Lincoln and kdncfc think Palace were in the same boat with regards to fatigue and I disagree. We had a very hard game away to QPR where we had to be at our best mentally and physically for the whole game to get a result. That''s a very different kettle of fish to losing at home to Millwall. In fact if you look at Saturdays results you will see that six of the Championship sides who got a result away from home on Saturday followed up with a home defeat last night. The Championship is a very competetive league and there''s little difference between the teams. The slightest little advantage can tip the balance. In our relegation season we drew 3-3 at Wolves who were top of the league on a Tuesday night match after we had an extra day off having played the previous Friday night when Wolves played the Saturday.
City Angel says I can''t blame tiredness because several players were below par. I agree they were below par but I put it down to fatigue. If it wasn''t tiredness then what caused them to be below par?
I might be wrong, it''s just my opinion, but you guys are telling me I''m wrong without offering an alternative explaination.
[/quote]Without wishing to disrespect your opinion Nutty I still can''t see how a home game against Millwall would be any less demanding than an away game against QPR, I''m sure if you asked any team in this league they would say Millwall was one of their most physically demanding games of the season especially if they are backed by almost 5000 voiciferous fans as they were on Saturday. QPR would be a different type of challenge because you have to spend a lot of time chasing to get the ball from them but Millwall are a big powerful team of bruisers who like to let you know they''re around. I can''t offer an alternative explanation to our poor second half performance tbh although the changes at the back didn''t help but that still doesn''t explain the lethargy we displayed after the interval, I''m sure Paul Lambert couldn''t explain it either but I''m pretty sure that he''d refuse to use tiredness as an excuse because both teams had an equally tough game on Saturday imo.
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