CambridgeCanary

[quote user="iron_stan"][quote user="CambridgeCanary"]If you check out the Match Prediction thread, the majority predicted a draw against an improving Palace. More thought that we would lose than thought we would win. We got the draw that most expected. We avoided the defeat that others expected. Why is that now a failure?[/quote]its not just about today, its 3 points from a potential 15 over xmas, and all the other crap beforeand the performances have generally been dire other than the utd game[/quote] Well I keep reading that the performances have been dire. The only away game I''ve been to was Arsenal and we were far from dire. At home, we have played well at times, played very well on occasions and not well on others. Sometimes we have been poor. But to listen to you and others like you, you''d think every game was awful and that is not the case. Saying games have generally been dire is as ridiculous an overstatement as saying games have generally been good. If we are that dire how come we are 15th with 20 points?

[quote user="Jim Smith"]Cambridge The result is not a disaster but the level of the performance was poor and it was also evident that Palace should have been beatable. That''s why I am unhappy at today''s game.[/quote] So, you''d rather we had played better and lost? Otherwise, your point makes no sense

If you check out the Match Prediction thread, the majority predicted a draw against an improving Palace. More thought that we would lose than thought we would win. We got the draw that most expected. We avoided the defeat that others expected. Why is that now a failure?

The Times Fink Tank uses long term statistics in its predictions and currently has us finishing 15th on 37.3points based on its algorithms. To put that in perspective though, it ranks us as the 19th best team in the league and therefore, 15th is overperforming. We have the joint bottom ranked defence and 14th best attack See more at dectech.co.uk. So I guess the answer to the OP is no, but it doesn''t matter

Before the game the majority predicted a draw against an improving Palace. We got a draw. Why is what mist people thought would happen now no longer good enough?

A majority of the predictions on the score prediction thread were for a draw. We got a draw. Why this huge sense of failure on this thread?

Palace fans will be a lot more disappointed than City fans tonight.

[quote user="Highland Canary"]We now have only 9 home matches left four of which we will likely get nothing - Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Man C. Assuming a generous point against Newcastle, and victories in the other four, that provides a haul of just 13 points. As I have said all season a much more difficult second half of the season to come. Palace is absolutely a must win game given how far we are behind the curve this season.[/quote] We got four points from those four games last season. It really is lazy and rather cowardly thinking to assume we will get nothing from them this season. We are a better team than that. Also, four points is consistent with Yankee''s theories and current form.

Which is what I said after Sunderland to some questioning from sceptical posters. If we had gone for that and lost Sunderland would be three points nearer to us. The draw meant they stayed where they were.

If nothing else, this thread shows the impracticality of the argument that it''s better to have a go and lose than play defensively. Having a go and losing guarantees us being next year''s Bolton. Little short of disastrous especially as few relegated clubs find their way back quickly.

[quote user="JF"]Bonkers that it''s fine for 125000 people to stand crowded together at glastobury but not at football.[/quote] You''re right If there is a fatal incident at Glastonbury like Hillsborough, then Glastonbury will be regulated. I''ve said before that I have no interest in standing but no government will change the law because if there is an accident then it will be blamed on the government. Look what happens every time some poor kid dies after taking a legal high. The media attack the government at any opportunity and no government wants trouble it can avoid. Leave things as they are and there is no danger of any embarrassing incident especially fatalities. This is a nonstarter politically I fear, however logical the arguments may be

Including me from this evening. Why wait till this evening? Do you think you are JLS worthy of some big farewell event? Or are you waiting for people to beg you to stay?

[quote user="Wiz"]I often have lunch in Yellows, so no Sky will pi*s me off somewhat.[/quote] Every cloud.......

[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"] Fans expectations and willingness to blame the manager even when making the right choices is unbelievable at the mo. [/quote]Amen.[/quote] Amen again. There were people in front of me in M block Jarrold, screaming abuse, waving fists and even an old fashioned V sign (which seemed almost quaint given the regrettable and pointless ubiquity of the American Middle finger). Since even an idiot should have seen that going 442 and surrendering the midfield and possible slaughter, I can only wonder at the mentality and the intelligence at work. There is certainly a sense amongst some of those that I sit amongst that Hughton can do nothing right and if he''d brought on Messi for Hooper it would still have been called negative. I alternate between despair for Hughton and amusement at the shriekings and posturings of the Mr Angries.

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The predictive statistics of Fink Tank at the Times predict that 6teams will not reach 40 points and that we will finish 14th with 40. I don''t see anything outrageously wild about those predictions

[quote user="Wiz"]I can''t wait to see the excuses from the happy clapppies faithful after the Palace defeat.[/quote] You really don''t want to know what most of us can''t wait to see!

[quote user="Yorkshire Canary"]It is a much more even bottom half of the table this season and i fancy 36 points will keep us up. In a tight table it could come to Gd and only Fulham have a marked worse one. There isno doubt that we are worse than last season, we had 6 more points at the halfway point last season. Also last season we managed 8 home wins , this season we have 3 getting another 5 will be a huge ask.The Palace game is pivotal to both Hughton and the club. Win and we climb away a bit lose and we can smell the bottom 3. If they are going to get rid then it would have to be after the palace game giving a new person the cup game and January window to make a difference. If we do not make a change in the next couple of weeks then we may as well stick with him and keep fingers crossed. I would like a change but sense he will pull something out of the bag at palace and keep going[/quote] Actually there is considerable doubt that we are worse than last season. We had more points at this stage last year because of the ten game run. That was always a freak sequence as evidenced by the poorer run after Christmas. We achieved our level at the end of the season with 42 points or whatever. What skewed perceptions was that we gained and lost points in clumps. This season has been much more evenly spread and we will again finish around 42 points.

[quote user="funny old game"][quote user="mrs miggins"][quote user="Herman "]I struggle to figure out if posters on here are on a wind-up or thick as pig shit!?[/quote] Norfolk + Football forum = ...you do the math[/quote] Herman, So because someone offers a reasoned argument for an alternative to the present management/style which doesn''t hold with your own views your only form of retaliation is to resort to some sort of name calling & at the same time admitting that YOU CANT WORK OUT IF ITS PIG SHIT haha thick or what!!!! perhaps you can ask the teacher when you get back! & mrs muggins...clever formula, must be very advanced... what is a singular math? You must come from somewhere other than our fine county, where gibberish is the language of choice!! If you disagree with my view that''s fine, I''d like nothing more than to revisit this thread come late April & have to say that you were correct & that football as we played against MU has become our normal style, until then my friend lets play a game called f*** off.... You go first[/quote] If you think just shouting Boring constitutesreasoned argument and than tour football is boring compared to Stoke under Pulis, then Mrs Miggins has got your number.

[quote user="I.S."]Special mention for Bradley today - thought he was superb and passing was excellent. Would start him ahead of Tettey if he can find this level consistency.[/quote] I said at half time that obviously aliens have the real Bradley but we should keep the one they''ve given us instead. I could not believe the skills he showed in the firt half. If he did that regularly, he would be a real force for us. Get lost aliens, we are not paying the ransom.

[quote user="JF"]Stopped reading at the Wes comment. You are clueless.[/quote] I didn''t make it past Fer

I have absolutely no interest in standing and have not commented before but the situation cannot change without a change in the law. No government will change the law because no government wants to be blamed when things go wrong. It is the same reason that drugs will never be legalised. At the first incident or tradegy, the papers will blame the government. It is just not worth the political risk. Who wants to the Prime Minister who legalised standing that led to deaths? Don''t say it wouldn''t happen. That is not the point. The risk is enough and the papers will threaten another Hillsborough. That will be enough to make it politically impossible

Bang on Ronnie

Totally agree as usual Parma.. That calmness and almost zen like ability to see beyond the immediate is what Bassong at his best brought to us last season even when those around me were screaming "Get rid of it".

[quote user="JF"]Can you please, please grasp the concept that we haven''t spent a lot of money by Premiership standards? It has been said enough times now. We may have spent more this season than ever, but we really haven''t spent much more than our contemporaries. This is a myth. Of the teams in and around us we have spent more than all barring Cardiff. We are 9th in the list of summer spending. Newcastles so far successful season has been built on zero summer outlay and the loan signing of Remy. Hull spent 12.5 million, Stoke 5, fulham 8, west brom 12, palace 16, sunderland 19, Villa 20, swansea, Everton and west ham 21.[/quote] You just show that you can argue this both ways. You identify five teams in the same region as us, Cardiff who''ve spent a lot more but you''ve neglected to mention Southampton and that Newcastle spent shed loads last January essentially planning ahead for this season. Herman''s point is correct. We haven''t spent much more than our contemporaries. More than some, about the same as others and less than some. It was not a big summer splurge by Premier league standards.